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Suzy Bishop

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Re: Challenge 4 strategy discussion
« Reply #225 on: September 10, 2021, 02:50:56 am »

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« Reply #226 on: September 10, 2021, 02:51:30 am »
I am so impressed!

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Re: Challenge 4 strategy discussion
« Reply #227 on: September 10, 2021, 02:53:34 am »
When do you think we'll try actually cracking the safe? I want to make sure to be around for that as we debate our next guesses etc.

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« Reply #228 on: September 10, 2021, 02:54:34 am »
It's mostly logical deduction. The skill ceiling is much higher (and it's just a modified mastermind method combined with some of sam's method) but it's still far better than the modified oracle method. I'll be busy for a couple hours but I should be free at least an hour and a half before deadline to try again.

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« Reply #229 on: September 10, 2021, 02:54:52 am »
Try on the actual safe to be clear.

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« Reply #230 on: September 10, 2021, 02:55:15 am »
If we are decided on a method we can put in the first guess now of course.

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« Reply #231 on: September 10, 2021, 02:56:29 am »
Should at least wait for Oracle to get back though.

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« Reply #232 on: September 10, 2021, 02:57:30 am »
The amount of time it takes someone to do this is going to be significantly less than the time we have spent perfecting these methods.

Young Writer, I don’t really understand sam’s method like you do and since you are pretty well versed on those do you have one you believe will likely yield the correct result faster? I know its a slight crapshoot depending on the numbers present, but still you have the best feel at this time fmpov.

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« Reply #233 on: September 10, 2021, 02:59:12 am »
We should definitely wait for Oracle and maybe some others to trickle in.

I unfortunately have something from 6:30-7:30 EST so I may not be around right as the challenge starts.
I'm happy to continue helping others practice and what not though until that time. I don't know how helpful I will actually be for the challenge though.

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« Reply #234 on: September 10, 2021, 03:02:05 am »
I mean, I only use Sam's method until there's sufficient knowledge of digits to use the mastermind. It appears to have a better result than any of the others (and even botching it earlier was still likely as good as better as the other method). So I'd reccomend it, though It's likely I need to be around over any discussion using it.

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« Reply #235 on: September 10, 2021, 03:03:41 am »
What if we practice on the real numbers? I'll ask the mods for the other team's code so I can test y'all :P

What if we do test on the given number, but the hidden/starting number is 15 clicks away not necessarily the real code? Would that not help on deciding the optimal first 1 or 2 guesses?

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« Reply #236 on: September 10, 2021, 03:03:51 am »
I mean, I only use Sam's method until there's sufficient knowledge of digits to use the mastermind. It appears to have a better result than any of the others (and even botching it earlier was still likely as good as better as the other method). So I'd reccomend it, though It's likely I need to be around over any discussion using it.
So here is my next suggestion. I want us to practice communication on this together. If suzy generates a number, and you use sam’s method perhaps I can pipe in to see if two people doing it is more or less confusing?

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Re: Challenge 4 strategy discussion
« Reply #237 on: September 10, 2021, 03:04:43 am »
Or anyone could generate a number for us or offer input etc.

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« Reply #238 on: September 10, 2021, 03:06:18 am »
I unfortunately need to leave so that isn't feasible

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« Reply #239 on: September 10, 2021, 03:07:16 am »
I unfortunately need to leave so that isn't feasible
oh no, I hope everything is okay.

Are you going to be back?

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« Reply #240 on: September 10, 2021, 03:16:09 am »
I might try to learn sam’s method soon and see if I can understand how YW did it.

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« Reply #241 on: September 10, 2021, 03:19:23 am »
I'm kind of tempted to calculate every possiblity of 15 moves from what we were given

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« Reply #242 on: September 10, 2021, 03:22:52 am »
I mean if you want to I don’t think it’s a horrible idea but be really careful because even missing a couple (and there has to be thousands) could be bad.

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« Reply #243 on: September 10, 2021, 03:25:09 am »
Err actually it might not be more than a couple hundred. Thousands might be an exaggeration.

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« Reply #244 on: September 10, 2021, 03:25:18 am »
I mean I just have to not miss the real one .-.

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« Reply #245 on: September 10, 2021, 03:25:46 am »
Oh I simply have meetings to attend I should be back in around 3ish hours, maybe less.

Here are the basic principles of what I guess.

1. First Guess every number +3 and then every number -3, this is a possible combination and feels likely at least one will pop up. If one of these results gives over 4 numbers, then you just move them around while making valid combinations and slotting in a fifth number.

2. Next think go for a group you think has the remaining numbers, if very few of the +3/-3 appear, then you know that there need to be a good number of +/- 4s or 5s, since the only combos that add up to 5 are 4/1,3/2 and 5/0 and the lack of 3s means the only high numbers can be 4s and 5s. You should only need to guess one of these, maybe 2. Always go for the one with the most different digits.

3. From these the number correct will tell you the digits, and the in the right place will tell you the rough composition of the sum so far. Then you just start shuffling around with a guess on what you think happened but be careful to not have contradictory ideas (i.e if you know 3 of the first guess are in there, don't guess 4 of those numbers).

It's not super well defined but that's the jist.

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Re: Challenge 4 strategy discussion
« Reply #246 on: September 10, 2021, 03:26:30 am »
I will be here to generate numbers! I think I can confidently do it without messing up now.

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Re: Challenge 4 strategy discussion
« Reply #247 on: September 10, 2021, 03:31:54 am »
For dog poops and giggles someone give me a scrambler and ill see if I can make heads or dog tails of it.

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« Reply #248 on: September 10, 2021, 03:34:15 am »
For dog poops and giggles someone give me a scrambler and ill see if I can make heads or dog tails of it.

Okay! Shuffled number is 63470

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« Reply #249 on: September 10, 2021, 03:35:13 am »
For dog poops and giggles someone give me a scrambler and ill see if I can make heads or dog tails of it.

Okay! Shuffled number is 63470

Okay so working through this verbally, my first guess should be +3

1: 96703