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Re: Chapter Four Thread
« Reply #75 on: September 09, 2021, 12:37:21 pm »
need a quorum of three to do 01234?

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« Reply #76 on: September 09, 2021, 12:37:56 pm »
Nah, let's do it anyways. Both 01234 and 56789 will tell us a lot.

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Re: Chapter Four Thread
« Reply #77 on: September 09, 2021, 12:38:24 pm »
@mod - first guess: 01234
second guess: 56789

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« Reply #78 on: September 09, 2021, 12:39:46 pm »
we should hold off on the second guess in case it's not redundant. can we just do the first one at this point @mods or is that officially locked in

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« Reply #79 on: September 09, 2021, 12:40:42 pm »
true, but i don't think it's very likely that all numbers will be within 0-4

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« Reply #80 on: September 09, 2021, 12:40:59 pm »
@mods - ignore the second guess, just do the first one for now if possible.

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« Reply #81 on: September 09, 2021, 12:41:22 pm »
true, but i don't think it's very likely that all numbers will be within 0-4

all of ours almost were

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« Reply #82 on: September 09, 2021, 12:41:47 pm »
really we just need to solve four of the five numbers as well.

pedit: yea, but not all of them.

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Re: Chapter Four Thread
« Reply #83 on: September 09, 2021, 12:43:16 pm »
Part of this just waits on what we get back from 01234

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« Reply #84 on: September 09, 2021, 12:43:45 pm »
@mod - first guess: 01234
second guess: 56789


01234: One number correct, none in the correct place.

56789: Three numbers correct, two in the correct place.


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Re: Chapter Four Thread
« Reply #85 on: September 09, 2021, 12:44:01 pm »
ok. well. we have a duplicate.

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« Reply #86 on: September 09, 2021, 12:44:27 pm »
OK THIS IS GOOD ACTUALLY. WE CAN IGNORE THE DUPLICATE.

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Re: Chapter Four Thread
« Reply #87 on: September 09, 2021, 12:44:36 pm »
Once you bold a guess, I'm not going to allow you to unsubmit it, so submit carefully.

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« Reply #88 on: September 09, 2021, 12:45:00 pm »
ok let's math things out for a bit and then make a guess together.

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« Reply #89 on: September 09, 2021, 12:46:08 pm »
Ok, so, we can ignore the 0-4 guess for now, yes?

I think what we can do is just submit something like 56000 to see if it's 5/6 is correct.

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« Reply #90 on: September 09, 2021, 12:46:42 pm »
Ok, so, we can ignore the 0-4 guess for now, yes?

I think what we can do is just submit something like 56000 to see if it's 5/6 is correct.

that'd waste too many guesses, let's maximize the information we get out of things by using the 15 rule

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Re: Chapter Four Thread
« Reply #91 on: September 09, 2021, 12:48:09 pm »
we need to figure out which numbers are correct I feel in order to make use of it.

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« Reply #92 on: September 09, 2021, 12:48:31 pm »
The more numbers we get correct, the smaller the pool they could change becomes.

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« Reply #93 on: September 09, 2021, 12:48:59 pm »
but we can limit it down by using the 15 rule. give me a few minutes im writing up a longish thing

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« Reply #94 on: September 09, 2021, 12:49:11 pm »
Alright, go for it.

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« Reply #95 on: September 09, 2021, 01:02:15 pm »
79978

56789 - 3 correct, 2 in place

there are 10 possible correct configurations.

56xxx - accounts for a change of 5 from the shuffled position.
5x7xx - accounts for a change of 4 from the shuffled position.
5xx8x - accounts for a change of 3 from the shuffled position.
5xxx9 - accounts for a change of 3 from the shuffled position.
x67xx - accounts for a change of 5 from the shuffled position.
x6x8x - accounts for a change of 4 from the shuffled position.
x6xx9 - accounts for a change of 4 from the shuffled position.
xx78x - accounts for a change of 3 from the shuffled position.
xx7x9 - accounts for a change of 3 from the shuffled position.
xxx89 - accounts for a change of 2 from the shuffled position.

We know one of 01234 is correct, but none in the right position. Additionally, we know something is repeated, but not which number.

so a max of 5 changes is possible from that number within 0-4.

So we know at least 5 changes come from the last 2 digits we don’t know anything about. We know it’s another number between 5-9 so we can keep adding onto the possibilities:

56xxx - First

568xx - one additional.
569xx - IMPOSSIBLE.
56x7x - IMPOSSIBLE.
56x9x - two additional.
56xx7 - one additional.
56xx8 - IMPOSSIBLE.

I can keep going from here and write out all possible answers to establish what our next guess should be but I kind of want more eyes on this. Does this seem worth it?

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Re: Chapter Four Thread
« Reply #96 on: September 09, 2021, 01:04:19 pm »
How is 569xx/56x7x/56xx8 impossible?

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« Reply #97 on: September 09, 2021, 01:08:12 pm »
How is 569xx/56x7x/56xx8 impossible?

ah i was comparing it to the shuffled position and thought if it was exactly the same we would have been told 3 in position. but that's my mistake. just read IMPOSSIBLE as 0 additional movements.

So from there we'd know that the other number has to be the MAX change from position since the two numbers from 5-9 account for a change of AT LEAST 5 together.

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Re: Chapter Four Thread
« Reply #98 on: September 09, 2021, 01:09:50 pm »
I think that makes sense?

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Re: Chapter Four Thread
« Reply #99 on: September 09, 2021, 01:11:34 pm »
I don't get where you're coming from, but then again, math has *never* been my strong suit at all.