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I'm actually still suspicious of Elmo. 4 scum is much more likely than 1 GF and 2 Goons against a Cop-Doc-Vig-Tracker town. At this point, a guilty on his scumbuddy when it's considered unlikely for there to be a fourth scum would basically mean an auto-win for the cop fakeclaimant.scumchat never die-
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nope. Ditto for the vig.destructor wrote:Mod:Is the SK immune to it's own kills?
nope. Ditto for the vig. I like that idea though. I think I'll use it in my next game.Raging Rabbit wrote: Question is,mod, does the SK's random kill go off at the end of the day even if he gets lynched?
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votecount as of 1075
with 6 alive, 4 will lynch before deadline
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not voting::destructor, DrippingGoofball, Elmo, Korts, populartajo, Raging Rabbit6
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Day 4's deadline is December 31st at 08:08 (UTC)
Countdown timer to deadlineLast edited by Adel on Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:53 am, edited 1 time in total.-
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Maybe Adel thought a godfather + 3 goons was enough compensation for the cop. That might effectively be stronger than GF + goon + RB.
Anyway, I can make the balance argument that I'm fairly obviously a real cop. It should be fairly obvious; either I'm mafia or cop, if I'm mafia then the town requires more power in order for this to be balanced. There aren't really any power roles left to claim other than roleblocker. A hypothetical real cop would have counterclaimed me by now. But I guess this is superfluous.
I suppose it's possible, DGB, Korts was pencilled in to be vigging me, but I think everyone except Tajo (?) posted since then.
mod: Hypothetically, can mafia power role choices be submitted by other mafia members? As in, could Vollkan have submitted an action for an Inuit Mafia Roleblocker if one exists?
Even the worst case looks fairly decent, now. I suppose I should be curious what exactly the case against me was supposed to comprise, but there we go. (I have not forgotten you, monsieur Korts. )-
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I love how your argument is predicated on an existent cop. Would you please explain to the gallery how compulsive vig + doc + tracker is balanced against 1 GF + 3 goons? Or why the mafia would have even have a godfather with no cop in the setup?Korts wrote:4 scum is much more likely than 1 GF and 2 Goons against a Cop-Doc-Vig-Tracker town.-
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In past games I have allowed it.Elmo wrote:mod: Hypothetically, can mafia power role choices be submitted by other mafia members? As in, could Vollkan have submitted an action for an Inuit Mafia Roleblocker if one exists?-
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Elmo, if you're a third goon instead of cop, and I'm a vig, that's pretty balanced IMO; it would basically be four goons against a well-endorsed but possibly swingy town.
I better hope not! If you're asking for clarification on the case on you (I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say if that's not it) it's still the relatively strongly implied connection between you and Yos.Elmo wrote: (I have not forgotten you, monsieur Korts. )scumchat never die-
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Doesn't seem all that unbalanced. Remember that doc and tracker are weakened since they have to submit their action before the kill for it to work.Elmo wrote:Does c. sk vs. 3 mafia vs. tracker + doc + cop seem at all balanced to people?
I still lean heavily towards Korts being the SK and last anti town player, but to maximize our options we should lynch someone else today and have another two kils tommorow, one of them being Korts. That's excellent odds if you ask me.
Basically, we need to pick two out of Elmo, tajo, DGB, des and myself. Elmo claiming an innocent on me makes me the only truely confirmed player, since we can't be scum together - 5 is just way excessive. des is also totally town, and deserves this win if he somehow isn't. So between the rofl-confirmed DGB, Elmo and tajo, I'd say we're best off lynching Elmo and tajo. Elmo should investigate Korts tomorrow to maximize our knowledge, sovote: tajo.
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Umm what? How is my argument predicated on an existent cop? I'm saying exactly that the possibility for a cop is very low considering that there already was a doc and a tracker, and I know I am a vig.Elmo wrote:
I love how your argument is predicated on an existent cop. Would you please explain to the gallery how compulsive vig + doc + tracker is balanced against 1 GF + 3 goons? Or why the mafia would have even have a godfather with no cop in the setup?Korts wrote:4 scum is much more likely than 1 GF and 2 Goons against a Cop-Doc-Vig-Tracker town.
And a vig-doc-tracker combo vs. basically 4 goons is more balanced because the vig is far swingier than a cop. I don't get to confirm innocents, I kill them if I happen to target them; and a tracker is a weaker investigative role than a cop. Weigh in an added scum role compared to a 3-man faction, and I think that's more than reasonable for a 14-player game.scumchat never die-
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Yeah, saying cop instead of tracker there is kind of a serious slip. I'm almost sure Elmo's a real cop now. Anyways, game breaking plan:Elmo wrote:
I love how your argument is predicated on an existent cop. Would you please explain to the gallery how compulsive vig + doc + tracker is balanced against 1 GF + 3 goons? Or why the mafia would have even have a godfather with no cop in the setup?Korts wrote:4 scum is much more likely than 1 GF and 2 Goons against a Cop-Doc-Vig-Tracker town.
We lynch tajo. Tomorrow, Elmo investigates Korts. If he claims an innocent, we have Korts vig him and if he isn't scum lynch DGB. If he claims a guilty, we still have Korts vig him and if he doesn't or does and Elmo turns town, we lynch Korts. Pretty much a guaranteed win, I'd say.-
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I hadn't noticed this. I suppose it's true, unless Elmo is a Cop and you're a second Godfather.Korts wrote:Elmo claiming an innocent on me makes me the only truely confirmed player, since we can't be scum together - 5 is just way excessive.
Thinking...
1 Mafia Godfather
2-3 Mafia Goons
1 Mafia [something]
1 Vig
1 Tracker
1 Doctor
1 Cop
3 Townies
3 Unclaimed
Eh, it really doesn't seem likely. We were lucky as hell that the Mafia didn't get any kills in on the first 3 days. We could have a Roleblocker or a duplicate power role who hasn't claimed yet, but to me that would only make the setup more swingy if we have 4 Mafia. I think a second Mafia Godfather could actually be balanced here, though, even if Korts is an SK.
All of this said, I'm pretty confident that the last scum is Korts the SK.
But, just in case.
We have at most 2 scum from different factions left. There are 6 alive and the option of a lynch today.
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If we no lynch today, we enter day 5 with 6 alive and will see up to 3 deaths. If there ARE 2 scum left and all of the deaths tomorrow are of town, it'll be a prisoners dilemma.
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If we lynch today, we enter Day 5 with 5 alive and will see up to 3 deaths (unless we lynched scum). If all of the deaths are of town, the town loses.
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If we lynch Korts today, who we know is a killer, we enter Day 5 with 5 alive and will see up to 2 deaths. If both deaths are of town, we'll be in a 3 player end-game.
B could be the same as C if we lynch Korts tomorrow before he puts a kill in. But what would be the point of that? I think it's come to a point of the game where a Compulsive Vig is a liability anyway.
If there are 2 scum left, Korts IS one of them. So, now's the time to lynch him.
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Whoops. That wasn't Korts. It was the Rabbit.destructor wrote:
I hadn't noticed this. I suppose it's true, unless Elmo is a Cop and you're a second Godfather.Korts wrote:Elmo claiming an innocent on me makes me the only truely confirmed player, since we can't be scum together - 5 is just way excessive..::][:::::][:::::][:::::][::.-
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Let's assume Korts is innocent, 'cause if he's the last scum we win anyways. 5 anti town roles in a 14 player setting is just way, way excessive. I'm pretty sure that's not the case.
Option A - lynch Korts - 5 left tommorow, we essentially have two lynches to figure out the scum. So one of tajo, Elmo DGB could be scum and win.
Option B - my plan - lynch tajo, tommorow Elmo investigates Korts before getting vigged, which confirms Korts as town if Elmo claims an innocent or scum if he claims a guilty - we earn the possibilty of saving ourselves a mislynch of Korts, enabling a DGB lynch which could decide the game if she happens to be our last scum. Slightly superior.-
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Lynch tajo - 5 alive
Elmo investigates Korts then killed - 4 alive
Lynch Korts or DGB - 3 alive (RR, des, {DGB, Korts})
What if Elmo is scum but Korts is still an SK?
How do we know that Elmo-town will get an investigation in before scum kill him?
Scum killinganyonebesides Elmo or Korts, or Elmo before he claims his investigation, puts a spanner in the works, doesn't it?.::][:::::][:::::][:::::][::.-
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I do like your plan though, RR, and think it's unlikely that there are any Mafia left. I just think controlling the number of kills per day and players that are alive is the safest route right now.
Elmo, I'm curious about the other problem. Would it be detrimental to the town to say what it is? (This isn't me specifically asking.).::][:::::][:::::][:::::][::.-
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