Choose Carefully Mafia: (Game Over)

[bird1111]

Vote Count:
CarnCarn (3): Sineish, Santos, Battle Mage
Save the Dragons (2): Riceballtail, ZTR
armlx (1): CarnCarn
Battle Mage (1): SocioPath
SocioPath (1): christiano drago
Sineish (1): Moses le fou
Santos (1): ZazieR
oEJo (1): hp [leaves]
ZTR (1): oEJo

Not voting (4): Save the Dragons, armlx, Empking, Rich

With 16 alive it is 9 to lynch.

Lynch Method Vote Count:
Gun (6): CarnCarn, Moses le fou, ZazieR, hp [leaves], oEJo, christiano drago
Rope (2): Save the Dragons, Riceballtail

Not voting for a lynch method (8): armlx, Battle Mage, Sineish, Empking, Rich, Santos, ZTR, SocioPath

If a lynch were to happen without any change in lynch method votes, the Gun would be used.

[Battle Mage]

Don't forget: we use whatever weapon happens to have the most votes (tie goes to the one that got there first) when the lynch goes through. Should we decide to choose the weapon afterward, we have to make sure that nobody hammers our potential lynch victim while we shuffle our votes.

Having said that, I'm not sure it'll matter (at least on the first day). Let's say we vote gun and and the lynch fails. While there are apparently other reasons why that lynch would fail, the most likely reason would still be because that person is Sicilian. Come night, that person's going to get night actioned up the wazoo and likely lynched the next day. Either way, they're screwed.

Are you an alt of somebody?

BM

[Save The Dragons]

I'm not too worried about which weapon is important, pretty much for the reason Moses le Fou said, so I'm willing to even just ignore it for the time being.

If we're at LYLO or pretty close, then it's more important, but right now, it just means that we may just have to kill our scum a day late or even the night after.

[CarnCarn]

we really need Armlx here, to talk tactics. Do we vote for the weapon first, as that might allow 1 scumgroup to get complacent, and run riot, or do we do it last, to try and gauge reactions and make votes mean something?

Also, i'll

Vote: CarnCarn

3rd on a wagon is obvtown.

BM

you need armlx to "talk tactics" and you jumping on my wagon? Hmm...

FoS: Battle Mage

[CarnCarn]

we really need Armlx here, to talk tactics. Do we vote for the weapon first, as that might allow 1 scumgroup to get complacent, and run riot, or do we do it last, to try and gauge reactions and make votes mean something?

Also, i'll

Vote: CarnCarn

3rd on a wagon is obvtown.

BM

you need armlx to "talk tactics" and you jumping on my wagon? Hmm...

FoS: Battle Mage

I should probably elaborate on this. My vote on armlx was not purely random. I have some setup information that makes me sightly suspicious of him. Nothing incriminating either way, but suspicion none the less.
BM calling out to armlx to "talk tactics" and jumping on my wagon deepens my suspicions.

[bird1111]

Prodding armlx, Empking, and Rich.

[armlx]

Forgot to watch this topic. My bad.

I say, for today at least, we don't decide lynch vs. method in any particular order. Things may change tomorrow. The thing we want to be sure of is that everyone is actually voting for one or the other at the point of the lynch, so its harder for scum to swing the method once the lynch is more or less decided.

That said,

Vote Rope

to counter-wagon Gun, and

Vote CarnCarn

. I can't see what set up info you can have in a day start that makes you "mildly" suspicious of someone, so I'm inclined to think he is lying here.

[CarnCarn]

That said,

Vote Rope

to counter-wagon Gun, and

Vote CarnCarn

. I can't see what set up info you can have in a day start that makes you "mildly" suspicious of someone, so I'm inclined to think he is lying here.[/quote]

You are either avoiding the issue or I just picked up another bit of information about the set up.
Going on what you said, I'm currently inclined to think the latter, and that you are scum.

Also, can oEJo explain his non-random vote, please?[/quote]

[CarnCarn]

EBWOP to make my last post easier to read.

That said,

Vote Rope

to counter-wagon Gun, and

Vote CarnCarn

. I can't see what set up info you can have in a day start that makes you "mildly" suspicious of someone, so I'm inclined to think he is lying here.

You are either avoiding the issue or I just picked up another bit of information about the set up.
Going on what you said, I'm currently inclined to think the latter, and that you are scum.

[oEJo]

Not a random vote:

Vote:ZTR

Why is this not a random vote?

When someone says they're mafia as a joke, they usually are.

[Moses le fou]

Don't forget: we use whatever weapon happens to have the most votes (tie goes to the one that got there first) when the lynch goes through. Should we decide to choose the weapon afterward, we have to make sure that nobody hammers our potential lynch victim while we shuffle our votes.

Having said that, I'm not sure it'll matter (at least on the first day). Let's say we vote gun and and the lynch fails. While there are apparently other reasons why that lynch would fail, the most likely reason would still be because that person is Sicilian. Come night, that person's going to get night actioned up the wazoo and likely lynched the next day. Either way, they're screwed.

Are you an alt of somebody?

BM

No?

[Moses le fou]

As for the whole CarnCarn/armlx thing, I have a rough idea what CarnCarn is getting at, but if I'm right (I don't want to say it just in case CarnCarn's BSing us and I'm giving him an out), we should probably just ignore it.

[armlx]

You are either avoiding the issue or I just picked up another bit of information about the set up.

Or I'm calling your bluff.

Like I said, I can't see any source of pre-game information that would only make you

slightly

suspicious of a particular other player.

[Empking]

Vote: ZTR

I'm willing to believe OeJA about the tell.

Vote: Rope

For: Hp[leaves

- He random random voted.

[Battle Mage]

we really need Armlx here, to talk tactics. Do we vote for the weapon first, as that might allow 1 scumgroup to get complacent, and run riot, or do we do it last, to try and gauge reactions and make votes mean something?

Also, i'll

Vote: CarnCarn

3rd on a wagon is obvtown.

BM

you need armlx to "talk tactics" and you jumping on my wagon? Hmm...

FoS: Battle Mage

I should probably elaborate on this. My vote on armlx was not purely random. I have some setup information that makes me sightly suspicious of him. Nothing incriminating either way, but suspicion none the less.
BM calling out to armlx to "talk tactics" and jumping on my wagon deepens my suspicions.

That's acceptable. If Armlx turns out to be scum, i'm sure that will look scummy upon me. But atm, i'm not quaking in my boots-mainly because i dont see what setup information you could possible have. And i really hate these 'secret tell' discussions.

And ooi, how can something be suspicious, but 'not incriminating either way'?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Not a random vote:

Vote:ZTR

Why is this not a random vote?

When someone says they're mafia as a joke, they usually are.

i assume you have meta evidence for this?

FoS: Empking

This isnt a vote because i vaguely recall you being as helpful as this in another game we shared.

BM

[Riceballtail]

FoS CarnCarn & Armlx

Not sure what to make of the argument right now, but definitely worth watching.

[Sineish]

FoS: CarnCarn

Since he hadn't posted except to say 'confirm', it's logical to assume that he

must

have been named to you in your role. I can't think why setup information which only makes you 'slightly' suspicious of someone would be of benefit to mention at this stage.

[armlx]

Oh yeah, oEJo, examples plz? The last time I can remember seeing it was Gimbo in one of the Polygamists and he was town.

[ZazieR]

Vote Santos Ordered by the disguised guys of his avatar who aimed their vote gun at me.

They are women.

See, their disguise works .


CC, what set-up information do you have that makes you slightly suspicious of armlx? Can you explain what you mean with this?

[Save The Dragons]

Also, can oEJo explain his non-random vote, please?

You should too.

When someone says they're mafia as a joke, they usually are.

Seriously? This is your reasoning?

Vote: ZTR

I'm willing to believe OeJA about the tell.

Vote: Rope

For: Hp[leaves

- He random random voted.

Vote: Empking

I'm willing to believe this tell: Bandwagoning for poor reason.

it's logical to assume that he

must

have been named to you in your role.

How can you be so sure about what he said that allows you to think he must have armlx in his PM? You seriously think he couldn't

a) be making shit up
b) have misread something <===this is my pick right now.
c) have received information pre game from the mod
d) have picked up a meta tell
e) be reading too much into BM's mention of armlx's name.

[armlx]

STD, E and D aren't options. D as I hadn't posted besides confirmation, something that is essentially random for me based on if I forget to watch the topic or not (see: Dynamite Mafia); E as that happened AFTER he said the thing about having the info.

[CarnCarn]

As for the whole CarnCarn/armlx thing, I have a rough idea what CarnCarn is getting at, but if I'm right (I don't want to say it just in case CarnCarn's BSing us and I'm giving him an out), we should probably just ignore it.

The more I think about it, the more I think you're right. I don't think its uncommon to setup the way it is anymore. In any case, at this early stage, armlx is still my most suspicious target, but I'll be looking for something more convincing.

[CarnCarn]

You are either avoiding the issue or I just picked up another bit of information about the set up.

Or I'm calling your bluff.

Like I said, I can't see any source of pre-game information that would only make you

slightly

suspicious of a particular other player.

No, it's not a bluff, and from only pregame info, it is only enough info for slight suspicion.
What alarmed me was BM's calling out to you to "talk tactics", which I found strange. Still, it's only slight; not more, not less at this point.

[CarnCarn]

STD, E and D aren't options. D as I hadn't posted besides confirmation, something that is essentially random for me based on if I forget to watch the topic or not (see: Dynamite Mafia); E as that happened AFTER he said the thing about having the info.

You're right about D - I haven't played enough to really use meta, anyway.
You're wrong about E - The BM post I'm referring to is 47. I make the setup claim in 54.