Thanks!In post 5773, catboi wrote:grats freedom
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From my perspective it never mattered if you were right on me because no one is going to read your posts. It's unlikely you actually get the votes, you will get some, but not all. Catboi played carried that day really hard in a way I don't think anyone will really recognize but at the end of the day I think we just exploited flaws in your current playstyle.In post 5771, mastina wrote:Towns shouldn't be mislimming me especially not when alleging they can read me because my town/scumplay is night/day different and anyone town claiming they could read me who voted me this game was a fucking liar because no fucking shit, I was town and thus their claims are proven false by them having voted me when I was town (because if they actually could read me, they wouldn't have voted me when I was town).
There was a lot of bloat in this game even with 200 posts per day and I think that is something we really used well to our advantage. It gives lots of room for error (especially for the amount of times someone messed up a quote) which is good, but I think this game could also showcase why that could be bad as well!
Your posts definitely added to the bloat and I feel like that the issue is rooted in your playstyle.
I think ur current playstyle is outdated.
I think you post a lot of content, perhaps too much content. The problem is that the people who have been playing with you for years know to form their own opinions and take what you say with a grain of salt. So while you might get engagements and the confidence of people who aren't familiar with you, there are always going to be a group of people that you alienate. Some of those people are likely to not engage or follow what you say regardless of what you do by nature, others will think that it doesn't have value because it comes from you, and some will think that they don't know what you're doing, they don't understand it, they won't want to understand it, so surely nothing of value could come from someone like that. I've heard people say that you posts walls of nothing so they don't read the posts. If you appear as if you know the answers early people are going to question that.
I think the best adaptation you can make is to create a brand where people want to come to you. A lot of this game, especially D1, was uneventful because it hinged on requiring you to post to progress. There was demand and then when the demand was met, the already unhappy people because more unhappy and then you died.
I think the best way to do this nowadays is to be reactive rather than proactive. Well, technically it's to play the table and post with clear intent.
I think if we
1. only post the content that is necessary to post. To me it just seems like you use the thread as like your notepad. Don't, use a private topic or an actual notepad instead. Or even note cards, I took all of my notes on note cards in high school they're op if u can keep it organized (Note cards even work great for mafia because you can write the name on 1 side as well as I'm sure there are ways this can be optimized). It might seem like it's work that's not worth it but one put in what they expect to get out of it and ya don't know till ya try.
I think another challenge is that you might have all of these notes but not all of it is stuff you actually want to post in thread.
2. Work on the assumption that you don't know all of the answers (And you DEF don't wanna present yourself as such either). You may have your reads, but again, they are reads, they can be wrong. Ideally that comes from knowing how damming your reasons are or aren't. If you don't know that, wait till the time is right to push forward your agenda. You will know if you have a good read on the gamestate. Like D1? As long as you are reading and taking in all of the information, you probably don't need to get what you want or need during that day. You can of course have stances an be open with them, but to know when to step on the gas is something you're going to have to learn. Keep the bigger picture to yourself and share tiny bits of it here or there, like enough to give where you stand but not enough to the point where the demand for mastina content goes up. When it comes time to share your world view share it (like say when everyone depends on your posts to to help them with their world view or when everyone has shared there's and you need to throw them a curveball).
One could argue that if going by this method you miss the shots you don't take. Posting content is good no downsides because people see you solve and approach the game and people can engage with it, but I think the content needs to
A. Be Valuable. There needs to be demand for it. You will get your demands down the line when the big picture is clearer days deep into the game.
B. Be posted with intent. This is why I think not all content is valuable. When you post you need to know what you're doing and what you want to accomplish with the post.
One may argue that they miss the shots they don't take but I would say that when it comes to seeing the bigger picture and due to how mafia as a game progresses and scales that it's perfectly fine to continue letting the big picture cook until it's ready. It shouldn't be served when it's not ready. Even if that means waiting several day phases.
3. When you post there are going to be people that want more. I think instead of posting the content, you should try to lead and sell people on. You need to do this during a period of time you know you will be able to do this, as mafia is a time commitment and we have responsibilities that need to be prioritized over a forum board that provides value when we're bored or need friends/social activity/whatever.
Your userID is your brand ya.
When you post in a mafia game, people are going to want to approach you for service. People have expectations of said brand and associate that brand with the brand's actions.
When you put out something, people are going to want to engage with it.
There are customers that want to be serviced and you need to service all of the customers that come to your shop.
So in a way, all we really need to do is to make people come to our shop.
I think had you put into practice
- Only posting what needs to be posted, taking notes when we don't need to post, not posting content for the sake of posting content but rather posting content that has value and intent behind it.
- At the start assume we know nothing and work towards forming a bigger picture
- Self-Awareness of the idea of our brand, how people see our brand, and how we get people wanting more from our brand in the mafia game
Then maybe that could help you?
Idunno it seems like your playstyle isn't working but like what do I know?
idunno I hope this was helpful /shrug-
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Everyone who was getting attacked was focused on defending themselves. Defending ourselves is just a futile action that doesn't do anything and people are just going to continue to attack us regardless. Obviously concerns need to be addressed but if we're not doing this it's not worth doing. Obviously Kitty was fos all of d1 and like all he kept doing was just defending himself and making excuses instead of addressing the actual concerns.In post 5771, mastina wrote:too much effort spent defending myself.
It's really not worth your time and if you are being put in positions where you have to defend yourself then like it's already doomed. It's up to you to fight by defending yourself, fight by going after what is important (the wolves), or do nothing. But know whatever choice you make, you stand, not for others but for yourself. No one will back you but that doesn't really matter nor should that influence what we do.-
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You're fine.In post 5771, mastina wrote:
I mean they're both true.In post 5752, Bell wrote:Mastina, don't post game argue on decisions to eliminate you it's out of game influence imo.
I shouldn't ah killed ya because you were town, not because when town mastina gets eliminated town loses. That's voodoo.
Towns mislimming mastina have a 0% winrate in the last four years. (In part due to how this is the first mislim in over 3 years and first D3 mislim in 3 and a half years because as it turns out, the difference between town mastina and scumastina is in fact night/day and this was the day.)
Towns shouldn't be mislimming me especially not when alleging they can read me because my town/scumplay is night/day different and anyone town claiming they could read me who voted me this game was a fucking liar because no fucking shit, I was town and thus their claims are proven false by them having voted me when I was town (because if theyactuallycould read me, they wouldn't have voted me when I was town).
But honestly.
I've no interest in arguing. Or actually engaging.
I just wanna stop existing as mastina.
Not worth it.
Too much vitriol, too much destruction, too much criticism, too much effort spent defending myself. So I'm just...done.
I feel like I have the right to be bitter, but I also am well aware that there's plenty of room for, sayyyyyyyyyyyyy, Norwee in particular to go "mastina you have no right to (dunno what they would say I have no right toexactly, but whatever it is, they'd be right)", and they'd be right to say that because while I feel like I have the right to be bitter, they also have the right to criticize me in whatever way they would criticize me, and like. That's where I'm at; I don't really wanna continue because there's just nothing good to come from it.-
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Has the dead thread been released?In post 5754, Ydrasse wrote:i accidentally added t3 to the dead thread-
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I think so.In post 5781, Val89 wrote:
Has the dead thread been released?In post 5754, Ydrasse wrote:i accidentally added t3 to the dead thread-
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Fire was scum. Town defended him in very anti-town manners. This includes Penguin not taking ownership of his voting patterns. He deserved the FoS frankly and the fact town jumped on me caused my bad reads after that. If you're town, even if you disagree, just say that and move on rather than belittling me and getting upset when bullied and wagoned.
Thanks for attending my TED talk.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
You're letting Titus win the game by herself.Good luck now I guess.You have no chance to win.~Tywin
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*When I defend nyself when bullied and wagoned.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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You flat-out lied. Period.In post 5785, Titus wrote:Fire was scum. Town defended him in very anti-town manners. This includes Penguin not taking ownership of his voting patterns. He deserved the FoS frankly and the fact town jumped on me caused my bad reads after that. If you're town, even if you disagree, just say that and move on rather than belittling me and getting upset when bullied and wagoned.
Thanks for attending my TED talk.
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Btw now that both games are actually over, I can say that this game was running concurrently to Cosmos Mafia, with me as town in both, and power-efforting in both--and the result of both of those games was in large part what broke me.
If you look, you can even see instances of identical posts between games.Spoiler: Compare this game's 579(Spoiler alert: FA was town in this game and scum in Cosmos Mafia, which is exactly what my read was in both games. )Spoiler: To Cosmos Mafia's same area of,
Then compareToSpoiler: this from this game:Spoiler: the Cosmos Mafia,
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Cosmos Mafia:In post 1121, mastina wrote:Okay so like.
I promised a catchup today both in the PT and the game thread.
I ran out of time, sorry.
The biggie tho,In post 778, mastina wrote:(I do need to leave tho, I'm late for bed. Technically not because 20 minutes from now, but since it'll take me twice that long to finish bed prep am already late. So p20 is my cutoff, sorry. I tried!)Spoiler: this game:Spoiler: The Cosmos Mafia version:
And another biggie,Spoiler: This game:Spoiler: Cosmos Mafia:
And more,TheSpoiler: This game:Spoiler: Cosmos Mafia original:
Another biggie fromWhat was going on inSpoiler: This game:Spoiler: Cosmos Mafia at the same time:
One day laterSpoiler: This game:Spoiler: in Cosmos Mafia:
1722 has a Cosmos Mafia counterpart, too, somewhere. Maybe this?
This gameIn post 1598, mastina wrote:
For the record, that wouldn't actually impact me.In post 1593, Bunnyonce wrote:If I ever host a Theme game, I am doing post caps.
I have less posts than you would assume. T-Bone literally has more than me. 6/16 players have higher post counts than me. I'm literally only the seventh-most-active poster in the game.
I just always SEEM like the most active poster because I'm like a signal boost for activity in games.
Every game I am in causes the actual top posters to post more, and there's a night and day difference in posting activity between pre-mastina-death and post-mastina-death; activity drops off a cliff after I die because I am a source of activity in spite of it not being reflected in post count.
That's one of the reasons I like being mastina normally. That's the mastina affect. mastina's approach makes people be forced to be more active, basically. I just can't keep being her right now.At around the same timeSpoiler: had this,Spoiler: Cosmos Mafia had this:
Dealing with the frustration of the rl shit which was going on (I had a really shitty week at work) and power-efforting inbothgamesat the same timeand yet beingrun up in both, I had the attitude of "fuck claiming my role", whichAnd inSpoiler: here you got to see as,Spoiler: Cosmos Mafia,
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honestly speaking your meta read on me is still considerably trash. It was with the correct results this time but at least I'm personally fairly certain that it was completely random that you were correct.
I also got the vibe that you were exhausted, but you're not helping yourself or anyone by just throwing wishy washy reads without any transparent analysis they can follow and I honestly remember how you can do better than this from old days. that was why you got mislimed IMO.
anyways I wish you all the best and hope we see each other in future games in which I wont have to sub out cause of RL stuff, and with you feeling better <3False tears bring pain to those around you
False smile brings pain to one's self
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I just tried to make the game fun.
I don’t have emotional spoons for it just know I tried to be funny.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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