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[MonkeyMan576]

I don't mind alts, it keeps things interesting.

[Carcalilly]

Last sentence is accurate
I think transparency is key, I throw out a lot of ideas that cross my mind, and sometimes some posts will point towards one thing and some will point towards another, and I'll mention both
I'm not interested in cutting out parts of my thought process, it's both less productive and less transparent, lose-lose for our productivity in solving and for everyone to be able to sort me
Overall I'd say Scorpious' tone overall still makes me lean scum on them, but the specific interaction I pointed out is something I do still find town indicative

I used to play a lot like that actually. I'm pro thought-puking in the thread, as long as you can put up with me questioning what the hell your overall stance is whenever you forget a tldr. :p

Vanya's vote looks worse to me; sure it's earlier but it actually has some merit as an attempt to push the wagon forward
geraintm's isolated vote that doesn't seem to be made as such an attempt looks better to me.
though I think geraintm is scummier than Vanya?

I think the vote post itself looks worse for Vanya but further posts from geraintm muddies their alignment

Like you didn't forget here. Much much better imo

[Gamma Emerald]

New players tend to see things as very black and white like above.. But Vanya specifically said he's an alt.

Is playing on an alt common practice here?

Just look in the forum. I think there is a spot that you must declare who your main is.

I’m always too lazy, or don’t care enough.

And yes.. it’s super common. I’m not a fan.

When making an alt you must state your main in the registration
I have…a few, myself.

[Gamma Emerald]

New players tend to see things as very black and white like above.. But Vanya specifically said he's an alt.

Is playing on an alt common practice here?

Just look in the forum. I think there is a spot that you must declare who your main is.

I’m always too lazy, or don’t care enough.

And yes.. it’s super common. I’m not a fan.

As far as I know you only have to declare you alt to the mods upon signup.

You don’t even have to do that unless the game mod mandates it
However, listmods have access to the logs of which alts go to which main accounts

[Carcalilly]

The worst of the votes on you is the guy MM just voted, interestingly enough.

Honestly, geraintm and unclevanya are easily tied for that title. I'd be down to nuke the scorpious wagon for one of those. I'll even flip a coin.

pedit well you took the words right outta my mouth lmfao

Quick reminder that provable randomness not allowed

Then how about I flip a very biased coin?

VOTE: geraintm

Don't feel particularly bad about their posts, but I can at least resonate with vanya for post 60 and post 63

[Crescent]

I've never actually played mafia with anyone on an alt before.

Anti-town play happens from town, unfortunately. I've had my moments of it.

Vanya's speaking in absolutes as an experienced player strikes me as the kind of player who's either a stubborn town who thinks this is a non-issue or opportunistic scum who struck really quickly. It's a matter of figuring out which.

Gun to my head I'd say the former is more likely if I had to make a snap decision.

[Carcalilly]

Also... I'm a kitty. Meow.

its a shame, you'd be my top tr if it wasn't for this!

[Meuh]

Based on expecting certain player reactions.

Can you elaborate on this point?

[Crescent]

Also... I'm a kitty. Meow.

its a shame, you'd be my top tr if it wasn't for this!

Meow.

[MonkeyMan576]

Based on expecting certain player reactions.

Can you elaborate on this point?

How is mine even bad. Self-voting is always anti-town.

To me, something is is only pro or anti town if someone reads it as such. This is his personal opinion, and he is acting like some mafia matra should be a basis for how the game proceeds. It seems like he is setting up some false basis on how to target players in future posts.

[Meuh]

Also... I'm a kitty. Meow.

its a shame, you'd be my top tr if it wasn't for this!

good news- I don't think it's alignment indicative
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[Meuh]

I wish I actually got anything about your alignment from this little stint

Based on expecting certain player reactions.

Can you elaborate on this point?

How is mine even bad. Self-voting is always anti-town.

To me, something is is only pro or anti town if someone reads it as such. This is his personal opinion, and he is acting like some mafia matra should be a basis for how the game proceeds. It seems like he is setting up some false basis on how to target players in future posts.

Okay yeah, that makes sense

[Meuh]

The worst of the votes on you is the guy MM just voted, interestingly enough.

Honestly, geraintm and unclevanya are easily tied for that title. I'd be down to nuke the scorpious wagon for one of those. I'll even flip a coin.

pedit well you took the words right outta my mouth lmfao

Quick reminder that provable randomness not allowed

Then how about I flip a very biased coin?

VOTE: geraintm

Don't feel particularly bad about their posts, but I can at least resonate with vanya for post 60 and post 63

...and why do you resonate with Vanya?
I see those posts as pretty scummy, what makes them town indicative for you?

[Roden]

The worst of the votes on you is the guy MM just voted, interestingly enough.

Vanya's vote looks worse to me; sure it's earlier but it actually has some merit as an attempt to push the wagon forward
geraintm's isolated vote that doesn't seem to be made as such an attempt looks better to me.
though I think geraintm is scummier than Vanya?
I think the vote post itself looks worse for Vanya but further posts from geraintm muddies their alignment

How is mine even bad. Self-voting is always anti-town.

Statements like this concern me.

Why.

Among Us lobby vibes

[Crescent]

It depends on the kind of player he is. Some players stubbornly cling to their meta and don't really care about anyone challenging it. In the most recent game I hosted, two town players had roles that conflicted with each other night 1, and one of them spent the entire game, which ended day 5, calling the other scum because he was seeing things too much in "black and white".

MM's post is very on point though about the "opportunistic scum" angle that I pointed out could be in play earlier... I didn't elaborate, and he did, and I like that from him.

[Gamma Emerald]

The worst of the votes on you is the guy MM just voted, interestingly enough.

Vanya's vote looks worse to me; sure it's earlier but it actually has some merit as an attempt to push the wagon forward
geraintm's isolated vote that doesn't seem to be made as such an attempt looks better to me.
though I think geraintm is scummier than Vanya?
I think the vote post itself looks worse for Vanya but further posts from geraintm muddies their alignment

How is mine even bad. Self-voting is always anti-town.

Statements like this concern me.

Why.

Among Us lobby vibes

Explain?

[Carcalilly]

...and why do you resonate with Vanya?
I see those posts as pretty scummy, what makes them town indicative for you?

I think punctuality is productive, especially in spaces that are kinda fluffy. much needed contrast.

I also think its funny that people will blow up their motives for them.

To me, something is is only pro or anti town if someone reads it as such. This is his personal opinion, and he is acting like some mafia matra should be a basis for how the game proceeds. It seems like he is setting up some false basis on how to target players in future posts.

[Meuh]

It depends on the kind of player he is. Some players stubbornly cling to their meta and don't really care about anyone challenging it. In the most recent game I hosted, two town players had roles that conflicted with each other night 1, and one of them spent the entire game, which ended day 5, calling the other scum because he was seeing things too much in "black and white".

MM's post is very on point though about the "opportunistic scum" angle that I pointed out could be in play earlier... I didn't elaborate, and he did, and I like that from him.

Yeah, both Vanya's vote and the response to being questioned on it very much feels like opportunistic scum
You make a fair point about the way different people view the game, Vanya could hold those views as a townie, not unrealistic; people are stubborn.

What does bother me is the fact that Vanya's view of self-voting lead to the immediate response of voting for Scorpious, not actual reasoning as to why Scorpious is scum, just the link from the self-vote -> voting Scorpious which is off-putting
It fulfills scum agenda very well and seems like the sort of vote a mafia player would like to cast early; who can be suspicious of them for voting on someone who's already self-voting?
Don't like it

VOTE: Vanya

[Carcalilly]

I also think its funny that people will blow up their motives for them.

89 92
I will add these to the gallery.

maybe I'm dumb and can't really see that much in two short sentences. my gut is softly telling me someone is piggybacking off this for hunting creds. I'll get back to you if I ever pinpoint who.

[Roden]

The worst of the votes on you is the guy MM just voted, interestingly enough.

Vanya's vote looks worse to me; sure it's earlier but it actually has some merit as an attempt to push the wagon forward
geraintm's isolated vote that doesn't seem to be made as such an attempt looks better to me.
though I think geraintm is scummier than Vanya?
I think the vote post itself looks worse for Vanya but further posts from geraintm muddies their alignment

How is mine even bad. Self-voting is always anti-town.

Statements like this concern me.

Why.

Among Us lobby vibes

Explain?

Flat responses and a blank "Why." just took me back to it since it was the most basic scum tell in that game.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why me fry me was pretty common on EM as well
I agree that it’s a solid newb tell, though can ya being an alt confounds a bit

[Gamma Emerald]

Though Vanya*

[Crescent]

It depends on the kind of player he is. Some players stubbornly cling to their meta and don't really care about anyone challenging it. In the most recent game I hosted, two town players had roles that conflicted with each other night 1, and one of them spent the entire game, which ended day 5, calling the other scum because he was seeing things too much in "black and white".

MM's post is very on point though about the "opportunistic scum" angle that I pointed out could be in play earlier... I didn't elaborate, and he did, and I like that from him.

Yeah, both Vanya's vote and the response to being questioned on it very much feels like opportunistic scum
You make a fair point about the way different people view the game, Vanya could hold those views as a townie, not unrealistic; people are stubborn.

What does bother me is the fact that Vanya's view of self-voting lead to the immediate response of voting for Scorpious, not actual reasoning as to why Scorpious is scum, just the link from the self-vote -> voting Scorpious which is off-putting
It fulfills scum agenda very well and seems like the sort of vote a mafia player would like to cast early; who can be suspicious of them for voting on someone who's already self-voting?
Don't like it


VOTE: Vanya

Voting someone for anti-town play isn't voting someone and calling them scum, though. I'm not sure it really means anything so early in a game.

The vote does feel a *little* worse to me in hindsight by his reaction, as his vote felt like a more jokey potential town perspective than a super serious one, but I get more "stubborn" vibes than anything out of his response to being prodded over it.. He comes off as believing what he's saying shouldn't be an issue.

The most curious thing I find out of all of it is.. His vote is still there.

Ok so... Question for Uncle Vanya.

Why is your vote still there?

[MonkeyMan576]

I also think its funny that people will blow up their motives for them.

89 92
I will add these to the gallery.

maybe I'm dumb and can't really see that much in two short sentences. my gut is softly telling me someone is piggybacking off this for hunting creds. I'll get back to you if I ever pinpoint who.

Maybe they are just scumhunting?

[Carcalilly]

I also think its funny that people will blow up their motives for them.

89 92
I will add these to the gallery.

maybe I'm dumb and can't really see that much in two short sentences. my gut is softly telling me someone is piggybacking off this for hunting creds. I'll get back to you if I ever pinpoint who.

Maybe they are just scumhunting?

While that's true, some things rub me off as forced. Y'all spew "stubborn is subjective!", then two lines later start sprinkling scummotives on top of it anyway. And it's kinda frustrating since a handful of y'all are doing it, cuz that makes it real hard to feel who's actually forcing it. :/