Holiday Dance Party ---- Game Over

[Galron]

I wanna dance with somebody

[Galron]

Wreck me

[Galron]

STD like a marquee

[Galron]

what exactly is insufferable?

Sitting on the bleachers

[Galron]

2 people scumreading u are people u scumread u, but u seem way more worried about than someone who would be scumread by people they think are scum should be tbh

holy shit. this sentence is horribly written.

yes it reads like a circle.

[Galron]

Man being scum is so easy, everybody just ignores you

It's great

hi there

[Galron]

what crossed your mind when you guys first saw this post?

Taly is aligned with

Town

.

casually demanding every player respond

I want to go to Talytown for some ice cream and a day at the beach.

[Galron]

Oh, but parting thought, not EVERYTHING you do has to be about sorting every party you're interacting with.

[Galron]

so if you're both town, what would the issue actually be. like what are you afraid of, incorrectly paranoia leaving or what?

Ugh. This feels weird.

[Galron]

(2) i utterly despise endgames

are you anticipating endgaming?

[Galron]

Man being scum is so easy, everybody just ignores you

It's great

hi there

hi there

Wanna head down to the soda shop?

[Galron]

so if you're both town, what would the issue actually be. like what are you afraid of, incorrectly paranoia leaving or what?

Ugh. This feels weird.

why? elaborate what's weird about it

I found that "disaster" remark Quite Odd, and I still don't feel like I understand why she presumably thinks a Datisi/Ydrasse PT would be bad for town or unfun for her. to me it kinda vibed like a vaguely pocket-y/fake-paranoia comment, it doesn't seem in line with what someone authentically townreading or scumreading Datisi would say, but I'll grant that I don't really know Ydrasse well enough to say that for sure, could just be her personality, and that I'm also probably biased cause I think Datisi is fairly town

yeah I knew someone would ask me why. I don't have the words for it yet. It's like it's almost irrelevant but not really, and then with this framing of your asking me why in a journalistic kind of way, like you ask me why does that feel weird, and then you go on to explain why you asked the question to begin with rather than let me answer and then give me the background. That's double weird.

[Galron]

Man being scum is so easy, everybody just ignores you

It's great

hi there

hi there

Wanna head down to the soda shop?

I haven't decided if I want to consider settling down yet

I got a inkling for a root beer float

[Galron]

okay that's my speed read of 12 pages and now I need to digest them

[Galron]

People should add me to their readslist I demand critique if nothing else

nullish maybe?

[Galron]

Serious question, am I supposed to have a giant readslist at this point in the game?

No, but piecemeal reads would be helpful.

[Galron]

Andante are you new to the site but not new to the game?

[Galron]

Galron - I think alot of galrons posts dont do much to help me build a read on him, so im curious about when hes gonna have his results from digesting those 12 pages.

I don't see tr on GL . He's null to me, but seems to be a theme when I read him.

Firebringer seems townish maybe

STD seems whimsical for the first time ever and I don't know what that means

Don't know why Alyssa getting SR necessarily, and she's right that having a bunch of ai stuff so far is unright

Feeling Andante is kinda scummy but thinking that could be someone new acclimating

where is RH9?

[Galron]

Andante are you new to the site but not new to the game?

came here from EM

okay so it may be a site meta thing

[Galron]

Wouldn't mind pairing with prism bc she is aggressive and who knows what would happen

[Galron]

Wouldn't mind pairing with prism bc she is aggressive and who knows what would happen

same with LLD

[Galron]

Feel everything I just said was content free

[Galron]

also why is my name here? i did not write this lol

sorry that was marci I think. I quoted from wrong post.

[Galron]

Malakittens - I don't think I've played with her before, but her lack of posts is sus. she would prob be another scumread if she doesnt post something more substantial soon.

This is unfair. She just made her entrance.

[Galron]

This is unfair. She just made her entrance.

i thought she wouldve had more since she said a townread on someone

that gave me goosebumps

fair enogh

[Galron]

569 can someone remind me to respond to this later

Not my job. Sounds like a magic bag type post.

[Galron]

when Ladies need to build enough towncred to get proposed to?

Is this the only way town!you picks a partner, if they are a town read?

[Galron]

i think it's been talked about already, but i dislike 477, specifically the malakittens read. like, at the time of posting that, it had been 8 hours since the game started. that feels WAY too early to slap a "they're not posting therefore scum" sticker on someone, especially considering mala was complaining about the amount of posts, which to me seems like a possible indicator of "i'm too busy right now". the rest of the post is kind of meh, i'm curious why those exact people have been chosen for a readslist i guess.

and 481 is equally bad... like, marci was doing that readslist to help lily apparently. but, if i'm struggling to get into the game and someone does a post like that to help me, my first thought is to actually interact with that post and try to form my own reads and whatnot, and lily just blandly agrees, and she specifically agrees with the one read i find the worst on the list

i feel heartbroken taly doesn't see the towniness in me

not really digging galron, but i guess he gets some points for being the first person to call out lily in 514

554 - hm. agree with not liking RH9's response, not sure i see how guiltylion's post there is strictly bad. so would like an elaboration when you can, @lld. also, do you currently have any preference on who you pair with?

okay, i made it to where i first started posting. i have... probably too many people i find suspicious and too many people i flat out don't have a read on. guiltylion and lld are probably the only two ladies from whom i felt something resembling townpings.

Thank you for using post links but can you say who made the post when you're doing this? Generally no idea who you're talking about unless we click on the post link first.

[Galron]

We are going to win because Taly is the best but then I remembered that Mafia might try to get rid of you and then I was sad.

am I being too naive in thinking this just feels tremendously fake in an obvscummy way

RH9 do you have any completed scumgames anywhere you can link to?

Don't worry. Slayer's Gambit and WIFOM exists. It just makes everything harder. Especially since I love using Slayer's Gambit as VT and WIFOM as scum.

Just don't.

[Galron]

Firebringer & Andante have paired!

An Official Announcement! Yay!

[Galron]

@datisi i didn’t actually notice that he never followed up on that question (galron) which makes it a bit shadier

i’m a sucker for the questions like that though >_> also him calling dragons whimsical later as a kind of read. (i don’t really like galron reads)

The endgame thing? His not responding was a mark in my book. Not going to force an answer.

[Galron]

(2) i utterly despise endgames

are you anticipating endgaming?

i expect to probably survive until the second game, yeah. why?

I missed this.

It read as if you expected to make it to endgame, which seemed something experienced scum would think and not experienced town.

[Galron]

So I'll tell you what: If you don't wanna answer questions about your earlier reads, at least do me a solid and come back next time you come back with some good reads and questions on other players.

This is a town statement.

[Galron]

@datisi i didn’t actually notice that he never followed up on that question (galron) which makes it a bit shadier

i’m a sucker for the questions like that though >_> also him calling dragons whimsical later as a kind of read. (i don’t really like galron reads)

The endgame thing? His not responding was a mark in my book. Not going to force an answer.

oh my god.

What's this about?

[Galron]

@datisi i didn’t actually notice that he never followed up on that question (galron) which makes it a bit shadier

i’m a sucker for the questions like that though >_> also him calling dragons whimsical later as a kind of read. (i don’t really like galron reads)

The endgame thing? His not responding was a mark in my book. Not going to force an answer.

oh my god.

What's this about?

I should say why are you so flabbergasted?

[Galron]

i'm just annoyed that you said how me not responding was ~a mark in your book~ when in fact it was you who was not responding for a while now.

Yeah. I just missed the response is all.

[Galron]

i'm just annoyed that you said how me not responding was ~a mark in your book~ when in fact it was you who was not responding for a while now.

Yeah. I just missed the response is all.

And "for awhile now" would have been overnight while I was asleep.

[Galron]

i'm just annoyed that you said how me not responding was ~a mark in your book~ when in fact it was you who was not responding for a while now.

Yeah. I just missed the response is all.

And "for awhile now" would have been overnight while I was asleep.

Actually it was a lot longer than that.

[Galron]

So I understand any saltiness.

[Galron]

someone took a crowbar to the kneecaps of my mental about 10 times over so if anyone wants my thoughts please ask me directly on stuff and i’ll answer whenever i have time.

Yes, even with your answer to Datisi wrt to my endgame question, I wasn't sure what you town read out of it.

[Galron]

someone took a crowbar to the kneecaps of my mental about 10 times over so if anyone wants my thoughts please ask me directly on stuff and i’ll answer whenever i have time.

which player were you in the anon game

[Galron]

someone took a crowbar to the kneecaps of my mental about 10 times over so if anyone wants my thoughts please ask me directly on stuff and i’ll answer whenever i have time.

and I think you said me saying std was whimsical was +scum for me, which I don't understand

[Galron]

Oh I am also down for a Galron pair

I could do that too but why?

[Galron]

someone took a crowbar to the kneecaps of my mental about 10 times over so if anyone wants my thoughts please ask me directly on stuff and i’ll answer whenever i have time.

which player were you in the anon game

someone took a crowbar to the kneecaps of my mental about 10 times over so if anyone wants my thoughts please ask me directly on stuff and i’ll answer whenever i have time.

and I think you said me saying std was whimsical was +scum for me, which I don't understand

i was diamond.

and i actually liked the whimsical word choice the same way i liked you picking at at datisi for something i thought was originally word choice. the rest of the reads you not answering him when he replied about the endgame question was what i disliked.

That's fair.

[Galron]

Oh I am also down for a Galron pair

I could do that too but why?

You seem town, fill my criteria

Fair enough. Gonna let my brain work on it for a bit.

[Galron]

I didn't see that coming. I'm going to fight marci for this. And I want LLD to endgame.

Wanna hit the dance floor LLD?

Take your time.

[Galron]

mmmm

galron did something similarishly in the anon dance game recently

I did, yes.

[Galron]

I didn't see that coming. I'm going to fight marci for this. And I want LLD to endgame.

Wanna hit the dance floor LLD?

Take your time.

IT"S ON

[Galron]

I didn't see that coming. I'm going to fight marci for this. And I want LLD to endgame.

Wanna hit the dance floor LLD?

Take your time.

I really need to digest this move because it doesn't make any sense to me

you'd be willing to bet the game on LLD town, right now? why

Just feel it.

[Galron]

i hate feeling so useless and like my opinions wont really be listened to.
its why i hate playing with the people me and lily typically play with, they just ignore my posts no matter what i do, no matter how hard i try?? literally they dont even read my posts sometimes, they decide to do that for the stupidest reasons.

this hit a nerve

[Galron]

Ngl I think this setup is heavily townsided if played properly, just it generally isn't

I don't understand this. Seems like this is true of about any game.

[Galron]

Happened in 8th grade to me too.

[Galron]

withdraw proposal

[Galron]

poor

guy

bird

[Galron]

withdraw proposal

Gentlemen may not withdraw offers

oh fuck this could be interesting

[Galron]

At least, Ydrasse and Alyssa are still around. And I am so excited to play with Titus again. (We played together in Mini 2250 where she replaced in but unfortunately was force-replaced for mainslipping. And she thought that I was scum when I was Town.)

And my favourite Open Listmod, Something_Smart! Such a pleasure to finally play with him! One more person who I am adding to my want-to-propose-to list! Why are you so against him? If it was implosion, that would be more understandable because he's impossible to read and very distant.

Why do I always use implosion as an example? (Though, I genuinely find implosion more impossible to read than Taly and T3 combined. And I genuinely find implosion to be very distant and impartial at times like a judge. Nothing personal though because implosion is my favourite Normal Listmod.)

Is this a bit?

[Galron]

If implosion ever reads this, I'm going to regret posting my honest opinion of him, too bluntly.
If Isis replaces in, then it'll be interesting because Isis was IC in FakeGod's game.

(I need to stop posting my honest opinions too bluntly.)

[Galron]

going to be extremely difficult not to look at this game through a different lens

[Galron]

That's gotta be a bit.

[Galron]

galron did something similarishly in the anon dance game recently

as what alignment

I was scum

[Galron]

ydra don't kill that kitten!

[Galron]

I would never

[Galron]

Taly, you're awesome power towning!

[Galron]

Kinda sitting on this until rep-ins are caught up a bit more. I do feel std though wrt pair me with whomever, but not quite completely there yet. The bum rush of early-game posting has worn off, and we have time to think about it.

[Galron]

as a clarification, a lot of the ladies I think I'm capable of correctly sorting as town given time

Don't understand this. You are going to be able to correctly sort a subset of a subset as town but not as scum?

[Galron]

ill just pair everyone now :

Gentlemen

Galron
Datisi
Catboi
Marcistar
RH9
Save the Dragons

Ladies

Prism NorwegianboyEE
GuiltyLion
Cabd Something_Smart
angielily
Alyssa the Lamb
Malakittens
Lady Lambdadelta Titus

Alyssa x Catboi
Galron x Norwee
STD x GL
Marci x Lily
RH9 x Malakittens
Datisi x Titus

I will never ever ask norwee. That is decidedly NOT going to happen.

[Galron]

ill just pair everyone now :

Gentlemen

Galron
Datisi
Catboi
Marcistar
RH9
Save the Dragons

Ladies

Prism NorwegianboyEE
GuiltyLion
Cabd Something_Smart
angielily
Alyssa the Lamb
Malakittens
Lady Lambdadelta Titus

Alyssa x Catboi
Galron x Norwee
STD x GL
Marci x Lily
RH9 x Malakittens
Datisi x Titus

I will never ever ask norwee. That is decidedly NOT going to happen.

I should qualify this by saying unless I think norwee is scum, wherein we will leave asap.

[Galron]

Seems to be a running theme this game (also a good sign I'm town). What disappoints you? Do you think I should be townreading you?

no but i think you sus all my trs and tr all my suses

thouigt you were both tr me but maybe that was cabd

[Galron]

as a clarification, a lot of the ladies I think I'm capable of correctly sorting as town given time

Don't understand this. You are going to be able to correctly sort a subset of a subset as town but not as scum?

I find townreads significantly more valuable in this setup than scumreads

I get that, but you're talking how many players? 3, 4 something like that?

[Galron]

or RH9-Mala? idk there's other options, main thing I'm optimizing for is I'd just not want LLD/Galron

Did it ever get answered why GL had such a coniptition about LLD + Galron?

Leaving this by itself bc important

it should be pretty obvious in context? LLD was on the defensive after I had suggested it was scummy for her not to accept marci's proposal, and that I'd be willing to be left behind or vig marci if it meant Cabd slot was flipped. Out of nowhere, Galron proposed to LLD and claimed he wanted her to endgame. Does that not seem bizarre to you?

Dunno why it's so bizarre or why it got the reaction it did.

[Galron]

Someone needs to dance with GL, I've only seen lots of effort from GL, sure town and scum can put in effort, but like, can a gentleman step up and take GL at least to Dance 1?

Why shouldn't he be left out

[Galron]

reminder to self to revisit GL

andante is town and i don't have bad reads so nya

You should dance with GL, I think you 2 would actually get some real solving done, based on how I remember you being in the past and what I've seen thus far of GL. I think yall are perfect!!! I'm shipping you 2

another push to pair GL with someone

[Galron]

I can do this with every single Titus post about me but not gonna spam the thread

GuiltyLion immediately 180s his read when I come in. This is not unnoticed

wym? he still scumreads the slot doesn't he?

[Galron]

i need to reread to figure out why Titus is so invested in GL. Did she just read LLD posts and be like "this was a good case"? cause i didn't think it was....

and yeah more words doesn't equal more effort but GL been pretty responsive/proactive where if u see his scum game its reserved and more calculated. Like i don't see how this is scum

I'll eat my hat if GL is town.

What about the Titus scum GL town world? is hat still getting eaten?

More support of GL

[Galron]

Titus, would you care to dance with me?

This is an offer I'm excited about.

Taly?

Why do you need Taly's approval? I already didn't TR LLD and I'm not TRing you right now for asking, like if you are excited, go for it?? what's the issue

I like to work with my townreads and have a full gamestate picture. Otherwise, I likely accept Galron's proposal because it caused so much drama. He wanted to retract it though so it would have been curious how he adapted.

Just wanted a reset w/ so many new replacements.

[Galron]

I had exactly one Point of Concern with Prism before the exit from the game, which was her suggesting she'd be okay pairing me with Taly. Forgetting that we're both Gentlemen aside, it's a bizarre suggestion to make from her perspective because me being teamed with an IC is a totally guaranteed nightkill death if I'm town and basically a complete waste. (suggestion she'd be okay with me being with cabd was also a bit of a head-scratcher).

Weird reasoning to me. What is different about a you-me pair that does not apply to any other pairing I have with town?

Seems tremendously wasteful to just consign me to get NKed if town, from her POV. Would think I'm more worthwhile than that.

Math-wise, it is actually close to a conflip from my POV that there are 0-1 scum in the gentlemen, because I know my alignment and I know Taly's.

Galron read is the one I could most see myself getting bitten on because the reasoning is flimsy but I admit that, not saying he's locktown or anything.

I mean, when I said "there's 4 gentleman scum" people lost their minds and told me that's impossible, so wouldn't it also be not likely all 4 are ladies? Saying 0-1 is like.. yeah nah what's the point?

I can explain the math to you if you really want (I assume most people in this game aren't big enough nerds to care) but it is significantly more likely that there are 0-1 scum in the gentlemen from my POV than 4 scum from your POV. 0 is unlikely but still possible.

Seems to be a running theme this game (also a good sign I'm town). What disappoints you? Do you think I should be townreading you?

no but i think you sus all my trs and tr all my suses

Go on?

---

I think marci has moved into being pretty clearly town from her recent posts, not sure if people are skipping them or what but I feel like that ought to be acknowledged more.

Last post from me for the night. As I said, I'm limiting my output from here on out (although I cheated a little today). Back tomorrow. Feel free to leave me questions.

5/5

[Galron]

Last post from me for the night. As I said, I'm limiting my output from here on out (although I cheated a little today). Back tomorrow. Feel free to leave me questions.

5/5

This self-imposed post count restriction seems weird given you're using multi-quote.

[Galron]

you just looked for the longest post so you could call it that... I almost always say way more words than needed, like, it feels like how GL genuinely plays, meaning you're SRing GL off of playstyle, which isn't alignment indicative

More GL support

[Galron]

Galron r u saying andante is pocketing/white knighting GL here. Cause that’s what it looks like

possible partner

[Galron]

Andante's probably the townbeard but could be s v s. I'll give you that. I think it's too overt for S v S.

could be but andante is ott, which is confusing given she's experienced.

[Galron]

calling me a man and then calling stuff i say garbage when i'm trying to explain what i think. lol.

whatever not going to cry over this tonight. will respond tomorrow. bye.

who did this?

[Galron]

Galron, if you think Andante/GL is S-S, do you think Andante's play is good or logical play if I'm going to flip scum at some point in the game

Not sure. Confused w/ Andante rn.

[Galron]

Andante's probably the townbeard but could be s v s. I'll give you that. I think it's too overt for S v S.

could be but andante is ott, which is confusing given she's experienced.

ott?

over the top

[Galron]

I can do this with every single Titus post about me but not gonna spam the thread

GuiltyLion immediately 180s his read when I come in. This is not unnoticed

wym? he still scumreads the slot doesn't he?

[Galron]

Prism NorwegianboyEE

Cabd Something_Smart

Lady Lambdadelta Titus

Keep forgetting the first two.

[Galron]

Not sure. Confused w/ Andante rn.

Can I help unconfuse you? or help with reading someone? I can be good at that!! very good! professional scumhunter andante here!

why are you pushing for GL to be partnered but not others? Why not leave him out?

[Galron]

tbh this game is gonna turn into "if you tr me I tr you" I already have that feeling

~lol. where does this come from?

[Galron]

I mean, where are the others? Everytime I'm here GL is here, so you want mala paired over GL? the way I see it, why pair with someone if they're not gonna do anything, even if GL is scum, GL will be active. I don't understand why we're not wanting GL paired

I don't understand why him over others

[Galron]

tbh this game is gonna turn into "if you tr me I tr you" I already have that feeling

~lol. where does this come from?

I wonder where

explain pls

[Galron]

I mean, where are the others? Everytime I'm here GL is here, so you want mala paired over GL? the way I see it, why pair with someone if they're not gonna do anything, even if GL is scum, GL will be active. I don't understand why we're not wanting GL paired

I don't understand why him over others

This is bad reasoning imo. If GL is scum he's done. If Mala is scum she's done. Both have equal opportunity to be scum. I'd rather have scum gone than a non-active town.

[Galron]

Is it weir dhat all the reps have been ladies?

[Galron]

Catboi is a gentleman.

I was looking at post 0 to see who repped in in my absence and he's not registered there yet, but I guess if he's left then that breaks the streak.

[Galron]

Alyssa, would you like to dance?

[Galron]

I don't but I think she probably is from what I got from her early on.

[Galron]

How do you know I'm town? You don't.

[Galron]

You've played with me enough that you can figure it out.

[Galron]

Thinking the game hinges on the LLD/Titus v GL alignments.

[Galron]

Thinking the game hinges on the LLD/Titus v GL alignments.

Why do you think that?

I didn't like your catch up, and I have a sneaking feeling LLD was playing outside of her recent meta.

[Galron]

You're the purtiest girl at the ball rn.

[Galron]

Thinking the game hinges on the LLD/Titus v GL alignments.

Why do you think that?

I didn't like your catch up, and I have a sneaking feeling LLD was playing outside of her recent meta.

What specifically did you not like about it?

Too much echoing of LLD's reads popped out at me.

[Galron]

Think I could do this too

Harley, please come dance with me

[Galron]

Thought this was going to be a California Girls parody. I was sooooo wrong.

[Galron]

Think I could do this too

Harley, please come dance with me

why

Slot hasn't posted much, and I think I wouldn't mind trying to solve Harley.

[Galron]

Thinking the game hinges on the LLD/Titus v GL alignments.

Why do you think that?

I didn't like your catch up, and I have a sneaking feeling LLD was playing outside of her recent meta.

What specifically did you not like about it?

Too much echoing of LLD's reads popped out at me.

Let's look at this. As everyone knows, I was townreading LLD and null scum on GL. LLD and GL were going back and forth at each other. LLD reps out, Titus reps in and completes what looked to me to be a questionable catch-up seeing as how I believe she agreed with LLD on at least 90% of what LLD put out. For two players to have such a common mind on a large theme seems super sketchy to me and leads me to question my read on LLD/Titus and on GL. I don't mind being flipped if it helps solve the game, but I still think the game as a whole hinges on LLD/Titus vs. GL, giving that both slots have been very prolific and interacted with about everyone on the roster.

[Galron]

that is my date's honor you are attacking good sir. I demand satisfaction. It will be pistols at dawn.

My second shall contact yours for arrangements, sirrah.

[Galron]

A lot of posters are high posters and have interacted with everyone. That doesn't answer a damn thing. You literally just recycled your reply to me with more words.

The game is largely in agreement and was at the time and with good reason. Reading the same data and coming to the same conclusion isn't scummy. It's just reality.

It still doesn't solve the game. I want details. If GL flips town, what flips happen next? If GL flips scum, what does that tell you?

I frankly don't care for your recycle of Alyssa's point and you aren't backing it up.

What was Alyssa's point, if you don't mind pointing me to it.

[Galron]

A lot of posters are high posters and have interacted with everyone. That doesn't answer a damn thing. You literally just recycled your reply to me with more words.

The game is largely in agreement and was at the time and with good reason. Reading the same data and coming to the same conclusion isn't scummy. It's just reality.

It still doesn't solve the game. I want details. If GL flips town, what flips happen next? If GL flips scum, what does that tell you?

I frankly don't care for your recycle of Alyssa's point and you aren't backing it up.

You have a noticed difficulty with words this game, as in people posting too many of them.

[Galron]

I don't think you'll flip me. STD will probably kill me at dawn. I suck at duels. My last one I stood the guy up I was so scared and he hunted down my second and slit his throat. The other one, the guy had a stroke as we were pacing and still grazed my temple. I lack dueling skills.

[Galron]

Alyssa and RH9 would be good.

[Galron]

Think I could do this too

Harley, please come dance with me

I could do this but I think you’re wrong on Titus.

Could be, yes. I was townreading LLD pretty heavily, but when Titus started in on GL due to his posting style, that slid fast.

[Galron]

That's not why I am scumreading GL.

Didn't say that it was.

[Galron]

Why are your reads so bad this game Dats?

yikes. yeah, you're not living until intermission, sorry. your slot was already scummy as fuck, and you're just tanking it further.

How was it scummy when there was no content?

[Galron]

already explained that.

Can you point me to your explanation please?

[Galron]

the thing i do wanna throw out for him to discuss (and realistically for anyone else too) is my lily read. so, she was apparently struggling to get into the game. which like, fine, i get it, i've been there too. so marcistar says she's gonna make a readslist to help her get into the game, fine, and she posts 477. lily's response, 481, is just bland vague agreement. this rubs me very much the wrong way.

This is fair I think. I wouldn't say that the slot was scummy as fuck though.

[Galron]

i dont have the spoons to have this conversation right now but you are being unpleasant to interact with to some degree by insulting people's abilities (not paragon worthy, is anyone paying attention) etc, would suggest being a bit nicer about it

peace

I thought this was the site meta actually.

[Galron]

S_S, let's dance

[Galron]

Sometimes I just want to dayvig you like 10X in one game.

[Galron]

Sometimes I just want to dayvig you like 10X in one game.

RH9

[Galron]

Malakittens, shall we dance

[Galron]

I mean the pairing I'm voting for

This clarification was critical.

[Galron]

I was asked to explain why I proposed to Mala when I did. It was partially a function of if I'm going to be turbo-killed, it doesn't matter which of S_S and Mala I pair with, I may as well just get it over with so we can move on, I can leave and then people will likely see three green flips and be able to adjust accordingly. And it also had to do with my thinking that S_S was town, and this would force him to just take it, and the game could move forward; the off-chance that we'd get a Mala red flip would just be a bonus.

[Galron]

And it also had to do with my thinking that S_S was town, and this would force him to just take it

Why is this a good thing though? I wanted to hear from Mala... it's not like there was any risk of something bad happening if you waited.

I was impatient and wanted to move on. Besides, I figured the three of us were likely town so it didn't really matter. I probably should have given mala a chance to talk, but I didn't see how waiting any longer would change anything.

[Galron]

Can I say something?

Please. I'm coming around on town you so reads are amazing.

Just one read actually. I think that Shiro is Town because of vibes from posts.

Using "vibes" is usu alright I guess; I do it sometimes. But if you have one read and it's because of vibes with a 100 page thread, I my eyebrows raise.

[Galron]

is it really mafia if youre not crying and shaking in rage a few times per game

I have never cried playing Mafia but I have felt betrayed.

You're welcome for that btw.

[Galron]

that sounds unhealthy ydra

the emotions simple Are as they are

Can you tell me why I'm scummy to you?

[Galron]

vibes

Is the following still true?

Serious question, am I supposed to have a giant readslist at this point in the game?

I do not think you need to make a readlist at this point, I just want to make one because I was not active at the start because of Uni

also you are post here, at #479 "I like almost never even have a readslist at all, and here it feels like everyone is all "here's everyone and my thoughts" like, sure I could do that, but aren't all the reads the same at this point?"

it would be nice if you can make a readlist in the future, it does not even have to be long! it is nice to see your thoughts!! so it is easier for everyone to understand what is going through your mind.

I mean, I just say my thoughts when I have them lol, me making a list? nahh cause with lists I feel like I have to address everyone, when like, I'd rather ignore my TRs, discuss scum with people I TR, figure out my reads, like it's always changing, plus if you give a reads list, half the people just stick to that list, my reads are ever changing. Just ask mythoughts on particular people and I'm happy to share, I don't have strong reads yet, but I don't think it really matters right now anyways? idk, I'm reading/following along, and that's good enough for me

I agree with this so much. Mindmeld moment! Andante is so getting a TR from me.

[Galron]

Am I the only one that's like mayo on hot dogs?

[Galron]

Galron - I think alot of galrons posts dont do much to help me build a read on him, so im curious about when hes gonna have his results from digesting those 12 pages.

I don't see tr on GL . He's null to me, but seems to be a theme when I read him.

Firebringer seems townish maybe

STD seems whimsical for the first time ever and I don't know what that means

Don't know why Alyssa getting SR necessarily,

and she's right that having a bunch of ai stuff so far is unright

Feeling Andante is kinda scummy but thinking that could be someone new acclimating

where is RH9?

Can you explain the bolded?

I went back and looked to see what I was referring to there, but I couldn't figure it out so it will take me finding whatever post Alyssa made. I will really do that if you want me to. I'm assuming she said something about people not having done a lot of ai stuff to point in the game. That sounds like something I'd say if someone had said that because I think the timing fits. But I don't have a definitive answer.

[Galron]

I said if Galron/SS flipped T/T i would leave the dance.

Flip us then.

[Galron]

Just fucking do it.

[Galron]

Double scum pairing have won before, I was there.

Yeah, I'm not saying it's never good. I don't think it would have been good in this situation.

Considering Mala was town, I think we have a S/S pairing here, so 3 scum pairs 5 town pairs, that's like most believable to me, and makes the most sense.

but hey, my thoughts don't matter according to people here so whatever

Just stop it.

[Galron]

Don't go the martyr route.

[Galron]

Damned good thing too because in CA, I left town!galron at elo and we lost

I don't remember this. What game was CA?

[Galron]

Honestly I think one of them is scum, most likely Garlon,

Scum tend to wait to pick so all lady scum are paired.

I sent signals at 387, 495 and 498. Is that late?

[Galron]

galron did pair earlier in pair game. He’s a hard read and nothing against SS but I think Mala could have given us a better read on him? SS, your read on galron? galron, same question.

I'm thinking I'm town.

[Galron]

My read on S_S hasn't changed. I still think he's probably town. I'm not sure why people were scum reading cabd. I was null on him.

[Galron]

Damned good thing too because in CA, I left town!galron at elo and we lost

I don't remember this. What game was CA?

Chronic Ascension, you were Lady Rose and Cabd/Lavender totally had Tweetie/Crimson pocketed as fuck, so I wrongly sr you in that game.

I think you have me confused with someone. Sorry. I don't recall playing with cabd or crimson or being Lady Rose anytime.

[Galron]

Y'all are funuts

[Galron]

1. Galron + Something_Smart

2. Ydrasse + Taly
2. Firebringer + Andante

3. RH9 + Alyssa The Lamb
3. Datisi + Guiltylion
3. Save The Dragons + Titus

4. Shiro + Harley Quinn

5. Marcistar + NorwegianboyEE

I think S_S is likely town.

[Galron]

Everybody, rank each pair (except mine - calling IC privilege) on how likely you believe scum resides in them.

TOWN:

Datisi + Guiltylion
Firebringer + Andante
Galron + Something_Smart
RH9 + Alyssa The Lamb
Save The Dragons + Titus
Shiro + Harley Quinn
Marcistar + NorwegianboyEE

SCUM:

And Ydra?

[Galron]

1. Galron + Something_Smart

2. Ydrasse + Taly
2. Firebringer + Andante

3. RH9 + Alyssa The Lamb
3. Datisi + Guiltylion
3. Save The Dragons + Titus

4. Shiro + Harley Quinn

5. Marcistar + NorwegianboyEE

I think S_S is likely town.

Maybe move #4 into the #3 grouping

[Galron]

I've been asked to post about the leave test. It started with me thinking that if we're going to be turbo-killed, we might as well leave and fuck any more effort in this game, and it would give info to town -- I figured if S_S was scum, the trade-off would be worth it. Thought about it some more, and Taly posted something about waiting until near deadline to lim, so I decided to hold off. Still wasn't completely sure about S_S at that time, but was leaning town. Still was thinking about it Sunday night, and Monday morning I opened the thread and thought, "I don't want to deal with this any more." But I wanted to solidify my read on S_S before taking action. Looked in the rules and didn't see anything about how to leave, and mod said it had to be in main thread. posted in PT in bold galron leaves. S_S almost immediately went off on me for not giving him notice. I told him mod said it had to be in the main thread, and I'm not sure that S_S believed me because he said well I've seen mods accept a lot of stuff they shouldn't. But I could tell he was ticked at me. That, along with him upping his play since then, has led me to conclude that S_S is 90% town and other than IC, my strongest town read.

I told him this morning that at any time he wants to leave, feel free to do so w/out giving me notice. But Alyssa says she doesn't think much info is gained by that, and I think Alyssa is probably town, so it might not be a good move to leave. But I'm leaving that offer open to S_S to at any time bail, at least until intermission, and it won't phase me in the least. I think Alyssa is incorrect in thinking we don't get much info if S_S and I leave, because until Saturday or Sunday I was interacting with everyone, and S_S has picked up his game quite a bit since I did the leave test.

I really don't know where the scum reads on me are coming from, and [insert AtE]. The easiest thing for me to do would to have taken LLD's townread and not challenge it if I were scum, and just coast from that point. I wasn't sure about her slot after she called me town, and my plan at that point was to get in a PT and solidify my town read. I tried to withdraw the proposal after Titus repped in because why wouldn't I? I needed to see her treatment before proposing, but Pooky said I couldn't do that, so I went with it, and after she posted a bit, agreeing with LLD on about everything, I decided her and I in a PT would be good because I could sort her there because at that point I was not town reading the slot, especially factoring in my recent games with LLD where she posted hardly at all, very much in contrast to this game and with Titus being an independent thinker and then agreeing with LLD on nearly everything, I was very leery.

So then Titus hooked up with STD, and I had been thinking STD is not playing like my recent games with him (much more outgoing and more frequent posting), I started thinking (here comes tinfoil) Titus and STD may be scum, and Titus in the scum thread after rep in came up with a plan for a S/S pairing, because Titus is very good at planning as scum, and I think STD proposed after she repped in anyway, so I'm half concluding that that's a S/S pair. And she keeps saying I have an agenda, which I guess I kind of did, but not in the smearing way that she keeps using it.

That's what went down. There may be some mistakes in there because I haven't proofread it.

[Galron]

I think it's cool Ydrasse's job gave her a raise right before the holidays.

[Galron]

I don't think I've ever seen SS invested in a game like this before.

Bout done with my drive. After catch up with family going to review today.

[Galron]

I suspect Norwe for reasons entirely independent of what other players have said so far.

I suspect Norwee partially for things others have said and also for something I've shared only with S_S

[Galron]

RH9, please don't take offense, but is the data in your profile correct?

[Galron]

EBWOP

Playstyle favor please. I don't know if anyone else would agree, but when you ebwop can you either bold or underline what you edited or do something to distinguish what the edit was? Thank you.

[Galron]

I might benefit from leaving and letting my thoughts stew too tbh

only problem is that I have a huge problem being able to stay away

Alyssa, you and I haven't really talked. You have voiced a couple of times that you think that S_S and I may now be T/T. Why do you think that?

[Galron]

I might benefit from leaving and letting my thoughts stew too tbh

only problem is that I have a huge problem being able to stay away

I'm going to commit to this

if one of my stronger townreads has anything to request from me, I will respond. Otherwise I'll try my best to stay out for a bit

Or when you get back from this.

[Galron]

I'm getting a townie impression from RH9 not necessarily because of content but because of posting style; he's almost got a free flow of thought over multiple, sequential posts.

[Galron]

Rereading Prism and Norwee's ISOs, I'm moving his slot to a nullread because there are points where I have agreed with Norwee like in 2717. I dislike Andante's treatment of Harley Quinn. It doesn't feel right. However, I highly TR Firebringer. Thus, I will be unvoting Norwee. (This is partially because I highly TR marcistar.)
UNVOTE: NorweigianboyEE

RH9 let's talk about this

you say you nullread Norway / liked things he's done, but do you really think scum Norway could never post something like "It feels to me like you’re talking to the thread in an emotionally manipulative manner rather than genuinely engaging with anyone."?

What do you think about how he started reacting once he got seriously wagoned, is that not inconsistent with what he posted here? do you think his posts have been genuinely engaging when he threatens to leave and says he can't wait to root for scum in the dead thread? To me, that looks like emotional manipulation

I also would +1 asking Alyssa for help, I feel like I've been mostly on the same page as her this game

It did because it felt genuine. However, I just checked Open 833 again. I found the following quotes.

It does make sense, and i don't want to lose to Ydrasse like this. I've lost too many ElO's as the town that get's mislimmed.

When i refer back to you as Ydrasse it is because i cnnot unsee smug and scum!Ydrasse that is so close to victory and just has to rub it in.

Noraa and Ydrasse are both great scum players, they can make discussions not look like scum theatre if they plan to.

Can’t you see Ydrasse’s tone has been a lot more controlling and scummy STD. Like when they said i had nothing on them earlier and had to "try again".

Looking back at his 3535, 3536 and 3539 it is a bit similar. (Mainly, the thing against Ydrasse.)

It feels similar in that this is Norwee's reaction to Ydrasse voting him in two seperate games.

I realised that Ydrasse votes Norwee and Norwee is not happy with Ydrasse both times.

This is an example from what I was talking about with RH9. He has a premise, then adds to it and then adds to it again. All in rapid-fire succession.

[Galron]

And I dont think he's experienced enough (apologies RH9) to do that as scum yet.

[Galron]

RH9, please don't take offense, but is the data in your profile correct?

Yes, why?

It was important to me to verify that.

[Galron]

my activity is (almost) never AI

Self-meta has no influence on me, and I don't understand why people use it so often. You could be lying, but maybe you aren't. You could also be changing playstyle, or you may not. I don't know. I don't trust self-meta. The fact is that you have been more active and jovial this game than I've seen you recently (I don't think I had played with you prior to October though). That change in playstyle jumps off the page at me.

i didn't say i sr him?

sometimes i just say things

Eh depends on how you view it.

What the hell is that supposed to mean

the solving was the friends we made along the way

This exchange is bizarre. Who were you referring to that you didn't say you scumread? And what does the rest of it mean? Sometimes you just say things that are important, not important, nothing to do with anything, what? Although I do appreciate the paraphrase, what does the solving was the friends we made along the way for?

[Galron]

talking about reads on Ydrasse is anti-town

talking about reads on Ydrasse is anti-town

+1

I don't get this exactly, but I'm taking your word for it.

[Galron]

why are u guys all so pressed abt norwee just wanting to read up before doing anything, its not that scummy and u guys just hate him cuz its whats ez

This is a hell of an accusation. And why are you saying it's what's easy? It looked to me that there were a couple of pretty solid arguments that had nothing to do with "wanting to read up."

[Galron]

I know I'm posting a little random, but I finally got to a PC, and this is order I marked stuff on my phone.

[Galron]

Based on content, I can maybe see the RH9 scumreads. But on playstyle, notsomuch.

[Galron]

can someone remind me why did we all start thinking galron is town suddenly?

VOTE: harley + shiro

pedit: i'm also thinking s_s could be townie, but i have zero reason to think so about galron, which is why i'm asking

Galron + Something_Smart

howww are these two so high up
why is galron suddenly so townie for everyone

Datisi & GL / RH9 & Alyssa / Shiro & Harley Quinn
STD & Titus / Galron & S_S
Marcistar & Norwee / Firebringer & Andante

can we got some explanation for this

jesus fucking christ

big fucking mood

oh shit rh9 posted some reads, i'll return to that later

warmpupper continues being my spirit animal here

{Datisi}
{Titus, STD}
{Fire, Andante}
{Marci, Norwee}
{Alyssa, RH9}
{Shiro, HQ}
{Galron, S_S}

ha
ahah
ahahahah
i swear i did not read up on the pt or see this before i posted my list

Maybe SS could still be town? I’m not tr GL so interesting and Fire wanting him and Datisi to endgame is probably a reason in itself not to ever happen. lol

this game is a practice in restraining myself from saying things that would make me eat a perma

i see that shiro is posting Posts(tm) but none of them feel solvey so far

3197 is goodpost, the only problem is i think galron is scum

challenge for anyone who feels like it:

explain to me why galron, shiro, and harley are town, but don't mention bullshit like "you see there are these tells that definitely exist that mean they're town" or "in mini large 69420 i caught them as scum so i would know" k thanks

sometimes scum does shit just because they can

and i especially know s_s is prone to falling for that kinda thing so

in case of galron being scum, s_s being town, and another person on the scumteam knowing s_s's meta, that would be a good way to have him pocketed

Except I didn't even townread it initially, and the one who's convincing me is the IC... that seems impossible for scum to predict.

maybe they thought you would? i wasn't saying they would've predicted you wouldn't but ic would. what's your read on him currently anyway?

idk i'm not really worries about it being s/s, i'm more worried about galron being scum because i genuinely don't see what's townie about that slot and everyone seems to townread him and ???

Dats, you say I'm being [widely] townread, but I don't feel like I am. I've felt an arc this game where I was getting the feeling that I started as null to null-scum, maybe then null-town to town, then deep scum and now slightly higher, maybe null-scum. Where are you getting the impression that [everyone] is townreading me. I see maybe S_S, GL, Alyssa (after you first asked) and RH9 (who I think used reasons in his chart that were pretty much NAI).

Here's why I'm asking. When Titus started this narrative that I had an agenda (in a derogatory way), I became more aware of how people were reading me. And at that time, I was pretty much a universal scum read. You don't come back from that too easily, so I'm afraid of you spinning a narrative that I'm widely townread for no reason and that you're trying to convince people of that.

I also think I saw a couple of posts from other people who said that one of either S_S or me is probably scum, which goes against the narrative that I'm a consensus town read.

That bugs me.

[Galron]

I think those are the main things I wanted to address. I'm feeling better about HQ tonight than last night. No idea on shiro. If he's solving in the PT, I'd like to see at least some of that in the main thread. I am as guilty of that as anyone, but there were a couple of days where I just didn't want to deal with anyone. But S_S shook me out of that.

[Galron]

One more thing.

[Galron]

drink some apple juice

norwe love <3

Hi there!

[Galron]

Where are you getting the impression that [everyone] is townreading me.

there was a sudden shift from a lot of people (maybe not everyone, but it felt like the majority) saying that you're scummy and that they definitely want your pair to be voted out first, into nobody voting you. that shift was caused by seemingly nothing, because i'm not sure if you were even active in the game, let alone that you posted something townie. people didn't explicitly say you are town, sure, but when people who were saying that they want to vote you suddenly don't do that, that's the only way i can interpret that.

Well, I don't really disagree with the shift analysis; I just don't see all that many town reading me as much as townreading S_S. There was a couple of days where I really didn't feel like dealing with anything, and that is about when it happened, but maybe there were a couple of fights in there where people just scum read others more than me? I don't know.

[Galron]

I know when the tide turned against me initially was when I tried to steal LLD from marci and said something about wanting LLD to endgame. My stock crashed at that point for whatever reason. I'm usually not really aware of things like that, but it was a universal thing, and I couldn't figure it out. Why there's possibly a shift back upwards i don't know. I can only figure it's because others, like norwee, have dropped down.

Regardless, that's not all that important, but I hope you see why I was concerned about your comments.

[Galron]

I'm 30 pages behind and traveling and doin family stuff. Saw the flip. Thought norwee was scum so wrong there.

Going to

vla through 27 December

bc I don't know how present I'll be.

[Galron]

would def be interested in Smart's thoughts there based on the PT too

There's not much in the PT. I've tried to keep it that way.

This is true. About everything I've posted he says I should put in the main thread. Neither of us has posted in there in close to two d6 I reckon.

[Galron]

Honestly

If SS is legit scum this game, he actually deserves a win

Agree with this. I don't think I've seen his WIM this high.

[Galron]

If we get flipped, please kill Andante first, then gl. Have no clue on the final scum.

Titus and STD should be endgame pair.

I don't agree with this, at least right now. I don't know what the better option is or are yet. Probably GL and Dats, but I'd like to see more Titus I guess.

I am beginning to tr hq.

[Galron]

Thank you ydra. That's a good idea. Shiro is nowhere near obvtown and we can't exactly take someone else's weird for it.

[Galron]

Thank you ydra. That's a good idea. Shiro is nowhere near obvtown and we can't exactly take someone else's weird for it.

Word ofc

[Galron]

Solve SS and me, Taly.

[Galron]

harley, i am going to ask once, this is not an attack, doubt, etc.

can you please share some of shiro’s thoughts from your pt?

none of us are psychic, and can see what you see. i literally just want to know what shiro’s been thinking/doing that he hasn’t in this thread. taly and i both scumread him because we feel he hasn’t done anything -in this thread- that he couldn’t as scum. i just want to know what i can’t see to see if it helps.

Town Taly would know to trust me here if he wasn't agency captured.

Don't guilt Taly into anything. He can make his own decisions.

[Galron]

Pooky shld slow down the clock for xmas

[Galron]

Pooky shld slow down the clock for xmas

He already did, I thought.

Good then. We should have 5 or 6 days I think.

[Galron]

Or 4 according to last VC

[Galron]

im in camp "lets have fun"
we have a story pt in this camp,

This is neat, and to a certain degree AI maybe.

[Galron]

thats a townie thought if ive ever seen one

This has been bugging me since marci's flip. It was regarding my slight town lean on RH9 for his posting style.

[Galron]

I want to see what the game looks like to you if you suppose shiro, hq, myself and std are town.

Not to me, but I'm going to tackle it from my POV.

If shiro, harley quinn, titus and std town and

taly, galron, not_mafia and norwee are town and marci scum

that leaves

Firebringer & Andante
& Ydrasse
Datisi & GuiltyLion
RH9 & Alyssa the Lamb
& Something_Smart

And I, like apparently everyone else, believe that my partner is town

So 3 scum in:

Firebringer & Andante
& Ydrasse
Datisi & GuiltyLion
RH9 & Alyssa the Lamb

Not talking about Ydra

So let's say 3 scum in

Firebringer & Andante
Datisi & GuiltyLion
RH9 & Alyssa the Lamb

That means one scum in each of the above or one S/S pair

I have tr on RH9 and Alyssa, although I need to go back and figure out why I do TR Alyssa

Firebringer & Andante
Datisi & GuiltyLion

All three scum in the above?

Man that's tough. I don't think I can get there. Fire and Andante I lean town on. Datisi and GL not so sure.

[Galron]

I'd have to reassess S_S, RH9 and Alyssa I think.

[Galron]

Titus am i right or wrong if i say u don't really think individually what GL or even dats is scummy. You are just poking around what is happening with game and think whats happening with those two smelly.

Like its not an individual read is what im saying.
Right or wrong

Mix of both.
I hate GL's opening.
I hate Datisi's push on HQ and Shiro.
I hate how their reads are carbon copies.
I hate how they don't seem to acknowledge the viable scum pool is really low due to marci interactions.

This is actually where it kinda leaves me I guess.

[Galron]

Galron - Disrupted marci plan with LLD
Datisi
Catboi Shiro - Catboi was obvtown, Shiro has insane WIM outside of his range
Taly - IC
RH9
Firebringer - Personally against here
Save the Dragons - WIM, early mindmeld, scum objected to the bond


Ydrasse
GuiltyLion
Cabd Something_Smart - High WIM for SS,
angielily Harley Quinn
Alyssa the Lamb - Alyssa suggesting marci tilted is unlikely svs as it undermines scum.
Adante
Lady Lambdadelta Titus - Me, I feel that the push to force LLD to bond with marci clears me.


Pool is Ydrasse, GL, Datisi, Fire, Adante, Rh9.
Ydrasse isn't getting limmed.
Limming Rh9 is not going to happen w/o a strong case bc sacrificing Alyssa.

from your pov why wouldn't a scum!Galron fight a scum!marci for distancing purposes when he proposed to LLD?

[Galron]

Pool is Ydrasse, GL, Datisi, Fire, Adante, Rh9.
Ydrasse isn't getting limmed.
Limming Rh9 is not going to happen w/o a strong case bc sacrificing Alyssa.

Pisses me off that I agree with this but I have no clue about shiro meta.

My tinfoil has transformed into aluminum.

Fuck.

[Galron]

RH9 is significantly more reticent than I would expect from him as town. Normally he's very expressive and inquisitive, even if indecisive and prone to discursive tangents.

I'm not sure if I'll be back tonight or not, but I can check in again tomorrow at the latest.

i don't know rh9 well since i've never played with him before, but i enjoyed his posts so far and i dont think any of them seem off.

Here's why.

Cabd is very good in a PT, Taly mostly uses them. So town Cabd will rock out for a day do some work and die..
Scum Cabd on the other hand is locked into a terrible postion and will need to make another member of his team actually good enough to carry.

Which... Maybe is possible maybe isn't.

But I see win-win here

i think this is a decent idea if talys confident in being able to read cabd.

Hmmm . . . this looks good for SS and possibly suspicious for RH9.

This, combined with my earlier tr of rH9 that marci pointed out makes me want to lean scum on rh9, but titus is right. Limming rh9 means limming alyssa, and I don't know that that's a good idea, is it.

[Galron]

Fire, is Galron good or bad?

Being hyperfocused like that in endgaming isn’t generally a townie thought. Saying LLD should endgame by itself: townie. Saying I want to pair with that player that - I right out of the gate - want to endgame - not so much.

I mean hey, if scum knows it's not towny to say that, why even say that? Could just be scummy town? idk, I haven't read much of Galron (or anyone else really for that matter) but if town wants to pair with another town to endgame with them, what's wrong with that? Obviously Galron TRed LLD, and if Galron wants to endgame, he should be putting in that endgame type of effort, if no effort, then ehhh. but I see nothing wrong with "I was X to endgame, and I want to pair with X" on its own

At that point, though, I wasn't really townreading LLD. I wanted to be in a PT so I cold solve her. Problem is I asked in a weird way that has been attempted to be explained to me is scummy, but I still don't understand because of what you just said.

[Galron]

actually, no, doesn't matter. Dragons is voting the not mafia so I wanna vote out dragons

Saying you want player X to endgame and then wanting pair with them=I want to endgame.

But if I'm town, and I want a strong player to endgame, why wouldn't I choose myself to try to endgame with them?

[Galron]

and what's wrong with wanting to endgame??

Why would you care that much about that as town? Maybe it is nia but it’s a thought that mattered way more to me when I was scum but it also depends on who Marci’s buddies are too. I knew I’d have to be the one to carry since my buddies were being really scummy.

The thing is, you want to ensure that the endgame pair is T/T. I had it in my head that if I didn't think LLD was Town, I would leave. I couldn't trust anyone else, other than Taly who I think was already paired but maybe not, to be in a T/T (assuming LLD town) pairing.

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from your pov why wouldn't a scum!Galron fight a scum!marci for distancing purposes when he proposed to LLD?

To what end? I don't see a positive outcome from that. Discrediting marci makes it harder to pair. If it looks awkward, you both get sussed.

Fair enough.

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FWIW I still don't know why it's anti-town to talk about Ydra but whatever.

[Galron]

And hey! It's almost Christmas Day, and here I am playing this dumb game.

Merry Christmas, my friends.

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first game town lost and we have no IC. Congrats on win Nancy
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So skimming this game and ND's ISO, there's an entirely different vibe from her than in this game. She is measured in tone, she deals in facts, and there is litte AtE from her. RC correctly called her out as scum pre-pairing, and she gave him a townread, in fact an obvtown read. Earlier than that she was getting scum read by Firebringrer and Ankamius, and while she did show some emotion from that, it wasn't as near as prolific as it has been this game. ND was Danniflor's partner and had him pocketed. And there was a point where she apparently threatened to rep out because she didn't want to go off on FB and get banned I guess, but she decided against the rep out. But the clarifaction on the rep out thing happened post-game. Taly (town) and S_S (town) were also in that game. Merchant's Daughter for those who care. ND top posted that game with 1100 posts, nearly doubling 2d place.

Doesn't appear that the scum PT was released, so I couldn't go through that. I looked through S_S's and Doubting Thomas's PT, and while it is just 2 pages, which is similar to mine and S_S's PT, S_S was much more into sharing his thoughts than he has been in his and my PT, which I find interesting and worth thinking about. Link here.

I looked through Firebringer and Vedith's PT, which is one page, and there isn't much in there from FB other than he wanted ND killed. Link here.

In that game Ankamius even links to another ND scum game where he correctly read her as scum (link here where the confrontation started), and while she does the scum read him back thing, it's not near as strong and emotional as her omguses have been in this game. Titus was scum with her in that game. And shiro was there too, but was town, and it wasn't a dance game. I didn't read all 73 pages of the scum PT, but I did see where Titus encouraged ND to express emotion (this post). But that was pre-Titus rebirth I believe, so I don't know how valid that is for this game. And, again, ND does show some emotion, but not near what HQ is doing in the instant game. That game was Heroes Wanted. ND had nearly 1400 posts that game, 2d most.

My takeaways:

1. HQ more likely town this game because of the raw emotional posting and prolific self-metaing (something else that was somewhat lacking in those other two games);

2. I need to reassess my TR on S_S because something is different even if it appears the WIM is high as it was in Merchant's Daughter.;

3. I need to reassess Firebringer because apparently there's a party going on in his PT with Andante, and that wasn't there in Merchant's, but could be he didn't click with Doubting Thomas?; and

4. I should ISO Titus in Heroes Wanted, both the game thread and the scum PT.

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Okay, now I’m really confused. Why would you say you wanted her to endgame if you weren’t really tr her?

Because if she was town, I definitely did want her to endgame because she's a super strong player, but only with someone I knew was a townie. At that point, I wanted either LLD or Alyssa to endgame, with a town partner of course, and that's why I proposed to both of them. But if I was in a PT with them and didn't think that they were town, I would leave and make sure they didn't endgame. I wanted that control/option/opportunity.

But you generally don’t say you want a player to endgame unless you already have a strong tr on them. I don’t say I want someone to endgame and then solve. I only say that if my solve on them reads strong town.

I don't have a response to this other than I didn't see it that way and still don't. I want the strongest town player to endgame. Both LLD and Alyssa met the first criterion, and I wanted to see if they met the second. That may be because this is my first dance game, and maybe I should be looking at it like you and Guilty Lion do (I think what you just said is what he was trying to get across to me; you just said it in a more elegant, understandable fashion)

Does that make sense?

[Galron]

lol this post made me laugh and its two years old
man i was even more sassy back then

Spoiler: The memories

Subject: Merchant's Daughter [Endgame]

No I am just going for low hanging fruit like a moron pinkball.
I did respond to ur bad townread on Nancy though.

Are you ever going to explain why you’re scumreading me here. Pretend I’m 5, maybe that will get us somewhere.

Nancy I am a master at prediction, so this is what is going to happen.

I am going to tell you that I did have reasons and I pointed them out.
You are going to say those aren't reasons and for me to explain them or will say that I didn't come up with reasons for scumreading you.
Then I will repeat that I did.
Then you will say the same thing as you did before.

Then we shall repeat this dance all into the night while everyone watches wondering how crazy I am for participating.
Would you like to start?

This is funny tbh

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3. I need to reassess Firebringer because apparently there's a party going on in his PT with Andante, and that wasn't there in Merchant's, but could be he didn't click with Doubting Thomas?

Firebringer, is there anything to this?

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a million dollars says this was a blow up in scum pt.

Norwee town makes me feel better about this now, as in I should have taken the bet.

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I don't get the point of taking info from a game 2 years old, people change

What's the point of this? I agree meta is trash, but that's all anyone talks about. So what bothers you about that post specifically?

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@Galron, wrt to AtE, that’s actually nia for me, as are dumbtelling and activity but what I don’t have as scum but do as town in conviction and that’s why I say that I’m well out of my scumrange in this game.

Self meta doesn't do anything for me, but I like how you are questioning my read on you.

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The line the two of you keep shitting up the thread the more I want to stab my eyeballs with shards of glass

[Galron]

Thank all of you for answering on Shiro's behalf. And fuck FB for bringing the game up to begin with

[Galron]

I'm not going down any more fucking rabbit holes

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Did no one else see the bad push from titus on galron?? (I really should go factcheck myself on who had the bad push...) just vote dragons/titus and we can deal with next scum after that. it's really not as hard as people are making this out to be

I've had Galron as locktown for ages.

Please check your facts.

It's a bit concerning how gungho you are on my elimination when you don't have your facts straight.

So that agument we had was you testing me?