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VFP · Post Post #1775 (ISO) » Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:02 am

Let me give you a hint here.
Giving a town read on either 1 is pointless here, and giving a scum read on either 1... well that's just not happening if Sig is also scum.

Read over the interaction Rae has about Sig the entire time. That's not from someone who believes it.

Rae · Post Post #1776 (ISO) » Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:29 am

ive only been able to get off one result. you need to remember im a novice macho cop.

Rae · Post Post #1777 (ISO) » Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:30 am

d1 no
n1 no
d2 no
n2 yes
d3 we are here

Rae · Post Post #1778 (ISO) » Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:30 am

the fact vfp boldface lied about me being able to get three results is not only factually incorrect but laughable. i just happened to get lucky.

Rae · Post Post #1779 (ISO) » Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:33 am

all this stupid shit about who's confirmed who is nonsense as well. the only person confirmed is vfp and then you go off that for the rest of the game.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1780 (ISO) » Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:35 am

In post 1779, Rae wrote:all this stupid shit about who's confirmed who is nonsense as well. the only person confirmed is vfp and then you go off that for the rest of the game.

What do you mean?

Rae · Post Post #1781 (ISO) » Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:43 am

despite me being all rah rah about the lack of hammer telling you that's overzealous of me. it should be the same for anyone else. i want to believe that scum will try to save vfp no matter what and the details shouldn't be put into it. i am also not going to play these ridiculous headgames. scum self-vote to appeal all the fucking time.

VFP · Post Post #1782 (ISO) » Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:00 am

In post 1778, Rae wrote:the fact vfp boldface lied about me being able to get three results is not only factually incorrect but laughable. i just happened to get lucky.

How is it a lie?
Mass claim day 2 without including the macho part from you or the rolestopper.
That means scum have to kill both masons and the role stopper before targeting you.

Thats 3 kills, 3 results.
Even with a role blocker.

It takes half a brain to do.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1783 (ISO) » Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:00 am

In post 1781, Rae wrote:despite me being all rah rah about the lack of hammer telling you that's overzealous of me. it should be the same for anyone else. i want to believe that scum will try to save vfp no matter what and the details shouldn't be put into it. i am also not going to play these ridiculous headgames. scum self-vote to appeal all the fucking time.

I still don't understand how this relates to the "who's confirmed is nonsense" take. The confirmed things are only from certain people's perspectives assuming they are town. Is your point that none of it matters because VFP flips scum here anyway?

VFP · Post Post #1784 (ISO) » Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:10 am

Here's a counter to the Novice.
What use is rolestopper night 1 if you believe there is a role blocker?
If masons want to ensure someone is protected, both target.
The Rolestopper is redundant night 1 with a Novice.

If you say that scum have a rolecop instead of a roleblocker you can argue it more.
So for town Rae it favours rolecop over roleblocker, correct?

I'll also point again to how powerful masons with two macho docs really are. Add another confirmed protective, plus a "novice" cop. You then have that fine line in 12p where 2 scum having powers still don't match up, yet 3 takes it over the edge.
Even more so if there's no traitor.

VFP · Post Post #1785 (ISO) » Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:14 am

Let's also clarify, regardless of my align the self vote had nothing to do with AtE but was 100% tactical.

Either I'm scum looking for LAMIST and trying to muddy who my buddy is, or I'm town who has 2 confirmed scum from that play.

@T3

get your shit together when you come back in here, we both know this isn't what scum me does.

Rae · Post Post #1786 (ISO) » Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:19 am

In post 1783, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1781, Rae wrote:despite me being all rah rah about the lack of hammer telling you that's overzealous of me. it should be the same for anyone else. i want to believe that scum will try to save vfp no matter what and the details shouldn't be put into it. i am also not going to play these ridiculous headgames. scum self-vote to appeal all the fucking time.
I still don't understand how this relates to the "who's confirmed is nonsense" take. The confirmed things are only from certain people's perspectives assuming they are town. Is your point that none of it matters because VFP flips scum here anyway?

essentially yes.

Rae · Post Post #1787 (ISO) » Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:21 am

its all worthless noise as he tries to create an angle for themselves. im not treating anything as absolute besides my own results.

Rae · Post Post #1788 (ISO) » Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:24 am

reminder this person self-voted and claimed there was a traitor when nothing suggested there was one. if i get voted here over this clown i will laugh not only for myself but for everyone else.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1789 (ISO) » Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:24 am

VFP's most recent posts make me think they're more scum frustrated with the town power and what they've been given than a town player trying to argue the cop isn't a thing.

VFP · Post Post #1790 (ISO) » Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:29 am

The problem is with your theory is, I subbed into Elo.
There's going to be lack of frustration here for me as either alignment.

My goal as scum here is just to distract who my team really are, as we pop off all 4 machos (or 3 if it's scum theatre)

Town me has 2 scum.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1791 (ISO) » Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:32 am

HURT: VFP

Want the masons to weigh in but I think I've made up my mind. Rae is almost certainly town to the point that I think if Rae tells me tomorrow that Shiki is evil I will believe him.

VFP · Post Post #1792 (ISO) » Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:32 am

Ouch!

shiki · Post Post #1793 (ISO) » Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:06 am

In post 1767, Dwlee99 wrote:I'm trying to find all the 12p games and look at how they've been balanced but I don't know how to find them.

12-player games from the last ten years of the mini normal archives:

Spoiler:

VFP · Post Post #1794 (ISO) » Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:15 am

The only other 1 I have been in since coming back is

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86587

This was 12p with a traitor.

Nero Cain · Post Post #1795 (ISO) » Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:19 am

scum got steam rolled

Nero Cain · Post Post #1796 (ISO) » Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:22 am

VFP arguing that I and/or Rae are scum and that DW is town b/c he didn't get hammered is crazy talk. In a DW/Sig/VFP team, he also doesn't get hammered.

shiki · Post Post #1797 (ISO) » Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:23 am

In post 1796, Nero Cain wrote:VFP arguing that I and/or Rae are scum and that DW is town b/c he didn't get hammered is crazy talk. In a DW/Sig/VFP team, he also doesn't get hammered.

isn't that the mafia team pretty much always if you are town?

Nero Cain · Post Post #1798 (ISO) » Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:24 am

yes, thats what i've been saying lol

shiki · Post Post #1799 (ISO) » Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:24 am

like if 90ish% of the time it is

{rae, nero cain, sigmund}

or

vfp + 2 of {dwlee, nero cain, sigmund}

which is where we're at if we're discounting the possibility that rae and vfp are aligned and the possibility that the mafia thought not only will we act like masons all game but we will also claim doctors too

so if nero cain is town, mafia would be {vfp, dwlee, sigmund}
for town!sigmund it is {vfp, dwlee, nero cain}
for town!dwlee it is {rae or vfp, nero cain, sigmund}
for town!rae it is vfp + 2 of {dwlee, nero cain, sigmund}
for town!vfp it is {rae, nero cain, sigmund}