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Post Post #100 (ISO) » Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:18 pm

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DrippingGoofball wrote:
Guardian wrote:DGB, we could lynch Miztef, but I really find neko more promising at this juncture. Miztef is more likely to be an SK than neko though imo.
okay! But I don't believe Miztef's denial of fishing for masons. Pretty sure that's what he was doing.

unvote, vote: neko
DG, you're overreacting with Miztef IMO.
neko2086 wrote:ABR, could you elaborate a little on your "it's not what you can prove, it's what you know" bit?
Sure man. Let me put it this way; the very clues to finding mafia lie in the links between the players, not in the hypothetical reasoning behind a vote.
Miztef wrote:I agree with nabakov's latest post, farside's post seems completely detatched from a vote on albert. I don't understand how it is good justification to vote him.
Yeah, I highly encourage farside to reconsider the allocation of her resources.
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Post Post #101 (ISO) » Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:42 pm

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ok i have read over that game and only one more question

what does FOS mean?
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Post Post #102 (ISO) » Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:57 pm

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Post Post #103 (ISO) » Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:59 pm

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I notice some of our men haven't arrived yet; Tar, Lloyd where are you guys ?

Hey muffin, most of your questions can be answered by using the wiki. An FoS is a precursor to a vote. Consider it a verbal warning.
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Post Post #104 (ISO) » Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:07 pm

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Albert B. Rampage wrote:the very clues to finding mafia lie in the links between the players, not in the hypothetical reasoning behind a vote.
Then I would assume the following scenarios:

If Alex attacks Beth:
- If Alex is scum, Beth probably is not scum
- If Alex is sk, Beth is not sk
- If Alex is mason, Beth probably is not mason
- If Alex is town, Beth could be any role

If Alex defends Beth:
- If Alex is scum, Beth probably is scum
- If Alex is sk, Beth is not sk
- If Alex is mason, Beth probably is mason
- If Alex is town, Beth could be any role
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As for pseudo-lynch-deadlines: As long as the SK is alive, I agree with the consensus that we should lynch every 6 to 7 days, hopefully pre-empting the SK from making another kill.

Regarding Max: Meta-gaming wise, I generally find his posts confusing, regardless of alignment. In another game, Max and I were masons, and I had the hardest time understanding him.

In this game, Max's posting in this game seems more coherent, independent of Albert's accusations. Since Max attacked Beep Beep right off the bat...Since Beep Beep turned out to not be playing, I'm curious who Max current suspects.
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Post Post #105 (ISO) » Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:17 pm

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Miztef wrote:I am going to switch to
unvote vote: max
though, because I think my guardian vote has a little too shallow evidence and isn't going to pick up any votes anytime soon.
The game is early, yet bandwagons seem swift, so I don't see how number of votes on Guardian should influence your suspicions of him or of Max.

The number of votes someone has isn't indicative of his / her scumminess per se. To use it as a reason to gauge scumminess seems odd, unconventional, and a poor reason in my opinion.
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Post Post #106 (ISO) » Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:18 pm

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Whoops. I've been short on access for a bit (little time for Mafiascum due to packing for spring break). What's more, I needed to use most of the time I had to deal with a situation in Mini 549 (which I'm modding), hence the lack of posting.

Now that I've had a chance to look at the thread... why isn't neko dead yet? Seriously, the comment about the SK kill is scummy as all hell.

Vote: neko
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Post Post #107 (ISO) » Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:33 pm

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Albert B. Rampage wrote:I notice some of our men haven't arrived yet; Tar, Lloyd where are you guys ?
It seems that you and I just cross-posted.

By the way, I'd like to continue game mechanics theory that you brought up earlier for discussion, because game mechanics is the main reason I signed up for this game.

At end of the other game, Pooky brought up wanting to make the game pace faster then. In this game, he ended up going with an SK instead of a hard deadline. What's your take on that, since you played in the other game?
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Post Post #108 (ISO) » Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:34 pm

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armlx wrote:Except we can't for the previously mentioned reason the SK's kill lag refreshes after every lynch..... Not liking this lack of reading multiple things.
oops forgot about that!

but still..
Still think Neko's WIFOM, hysteria causing, and forced commenting deserves a vote over him though.
QFT so i'll keep my vote on him for now
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Post Post #109 (ISO) » Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:54 pm

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Lloyd wrote:
Miztef wrote:I am going to switch to
unvote vote: max
though, because I think my guardian vote has a little too shallow evidence and isn't going to pick up any votes anytime soon.
The game is early, yet bandwagons seem swift, so I don't see how number of votes on Guardian should influence your suspicions of him or of Max.

The number of votes someone has isn't indicative of his / her scumminess per se. To use it as a reason to gauge scumminess seems odd, unconventional, and a poor reason in my opinion.
mmm... I didn't really mean it to sound like I was voting him explicitly because others are. I just feel his case needs more attention at this time, and guardian's doesn't really need it.

With the speedy deadlines in this game, I think each players resources in this game should be as focused as possible. Right now the hot button players players are max and neko, so I think focusing on them is good enough for now, barring any heavily scummy action from other players. I felt my suspicion of guardian was too weak to push him into the limelight right now.
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Post Post #110 (ISO) » Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:08 pm

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Tarhilindur, Mafia is dead.
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Post Post #111 (ISO) » Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:08 pm

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Well neko has answered most of my questions therefore i owe it to him not to vote for him this round. (even though i reckon he is sk since he first mentioned it)

therefore based on that fact i vote the next obvious scumbag which is max



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Post Post #112 (ISO) » Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:16 pm

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unknown reasons :shock: what does that mean?

If im correct the sk cant kill again so therefore did he commit suicide? Oh well, so long as its a mafia scumbag then thats all that counts lol
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Post Post #113 (ISO) » Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:24 pm

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muffinhead wrote:Well neko has answered most of my questions therefore i owe it to him not to vote for him this round. (even though i reckon he is sk since he first mentioned it)

therefore based on that fact i vote the next obvious scumbag which is max



vote max
just because answered questions about another thread doesn't mean he's innocent..and also can you explain why you think max is a scumbag?
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Post Post #114 (ISO) » Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:34 pm

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And finally, unlike most games you should never claim, ever, and it would be useles as masons would claim town, mafia would claim town and serial killer would claim town...
Way to state the obvious Max Goof!

Vote: Max


Unhelpfully scummy as always.

I never said he was innocent, in fact i will proberbly vote him off after, but thatis my way of thanking him for anwring my questions.

Now u may ask y max? well the quote explains it all and correct me if im wrong but i see it as pointless to vote for a new person.
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Post Post #115 (ISO) » Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:40 pm

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unvote


I am now of the belief that neko is more likely to be town.

BTW, Discussing Tar's death is anti-town. Seriously. Think critically about it. If you discuss Tar's death or question me about this, I am likely to vote you.

vote: Miztef
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Post Post #116 (ISO) » Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:59 pm

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Guardian wrote:BTW, Discussing Tar's death is anti-town. Seriously. Think critically about it. If you discuss Tar's death or question me about this, I am likely to vote you.
QFT. I do not believe that this makes neko more likely to be pro town though
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Post Post #117 (ISO) » Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:52 am

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muffinhead wrote:
Albert B. Rampage wrote:
And finally, unlike most games you should never claim, ever, and it would be useles as masons would claim town, mafia would claim town and serial killer would claim town...
Way to state the obvious Max Goof!

Vote: Max


Unhelpfully scummy as always.

I never said he was innocent, in fact i will proberbly vote him off after, but thatis my way of thanking him for anwring my questions.

Now u may ask y max? well the quote explains it all and correct me if im wrong but i see it as pointless to vote for a new person.
Unvote

vote: muffinhead


He votes me for no reason either an obvious bandwagon or a really bad scum player
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Post Post #118 (ISO) » Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:21 am

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dahill wrote: why try and send us on a wild goose chase looking for codes?
Are you not paying attention? That is exactly what I am trying to prevent!
also, we should be ahead of the SK, not at pace with him/her. so we should lynch more than once a week so we can get to the SK before he/she kills people.
This has already been covered.
but still..
armlx wrote: Still think Neko's WIFOM, hysteria causing, and forced commenting deserves a vote over him though.
QFT so i'll keep my vote on him for now
Actually, I want to address both of these at the same time. First, have I really caused any hysteria? A big debate, yes, but hysteria? That's a bit of an exaggeration.
Dahill, it looks like you're stretching and pulling to find a reason to vote me. Others that have voted me have at least come up with plausible reasons as to why I might be anti-town. You voted me with bad reasoning and ended up just quoting somebody else's logic. Looking back, too, you had a very early fos on me, which was also prompted by others' suspicion of me. What do you
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Nabakov wrote: Though I would agree with Guardian that neko's suggestion of a fake code seems like scum laying the seed of doubt should their code ever be discovered.
If somebody says they discover a code, should we just go ahead and believe them? I just believe that absolutely everything in this game should be considered with an
extremely
critical eye.

muffinhead, if you really think I'm the sk, you ought to be voting for me. Actually, scum A will sometimes buddy up to town B in order to keep B from voting A, so just because I answered your questions, that shouldn't be your basis for not voting for me. If you
are
going to vote me, though, you should reconsider your logic.

Max, while muffinhead's vote is not at all well placed, he is also a newbie. So, do you think his vote is newbie-town or newbie-scum? I'm not sure we can tell either way yet.
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Post Post #119 (ISO) » Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:33 am

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neko,
looking back on both of the points i had voted you on, i realized they were both kind of unwarranted. the SK killer thing was explained so my mistake. the reason i was suspicious about the whole codes thing was that it seemed like a WIFOM by just mentioning the fake codes. however, i can see what your intentions might have been. so for now i'm going to
unvote


as for muffinhead, he definitely is suspicious (not voting for neko just for helping him, voting max with no explanation), but as neko said he probably is just a newbie. we have to consider that he could be playing the newbie card and just using it as a front for any mistakes he makes, but i don't think thats the case
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Post Post #120 (ISO) » Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:55 am

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Miztef wrote:Right now the hot button players players are max and neko, so I think focusing on them is good enough for now, barring any heavily scummy action from other players.
Your reasoning is confusing. Earlier, you FOS'd Sarcastro and Samruc for their votes on Max, yet you are using their votes to justify your vote.
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Post Post #121 (ISO) » Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:42 am

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Lloyd wrote:
Miztef wrote:Right now the hot button players players are max and neko, so I think focusing on them is good enough for now, barring any heavily scummy action from other players.
Your reasoning is confusing. Earlier, you FOS'd Sarcastro and Samruc for their votes on Max, yet you are using their votes to justify your vote.
I never really thought of it that way... How I see it is that there are 2 people in the limelight right now (well, neko seems to be leaving it). Out of the 2, since we should lynch soon, I would lynch max. There is no other case as of yet I find overwhelmingly more compelling them the one against him.

Even though I sent out FoS's, I think there is a good chance any of those people are pro-town, even if not, their logic may still be viable, even as scum.
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Post Post #122 (ISO) » Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:00 am

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Sarcastro and Samruc still have yet to even explain their votes (I recognize the whole trap thing, but refusing to reveal reasons for votes still ticks me off) wouldn't that make them scummier?
My question is why is Albert letting them off with just a vote and giving the reasoning for others to jump on? I have a feeling that no one is going to listen to me on this. I don't find his earlier comments helpful on this page.
Sure man. Let me put it this way; the very clues to finding mafia lie in the links between the players, not in the hypothetical reasoning behind a vote.

How does this explain a vote against a player without letting them comment. Is this okay for everyone to jump on a BW? Or is it okay for only certain people?
I'm chaning my vote due to Miztef' 180 degree turn about from one post to another. Sloppy is scummie
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Post Post #123 (ISO) » Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:32 am

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farside22 wrote:
Sarcastro and Samruc still have yet to even explain their votes (I recognize the whole trap thing, but refusing to reveal reasons for votes still ticks me off) wouldn't that make them scummier?
My question is why is Albert letting them off with just a vote and giving the reasoning for others to jump on? I have a feeling that no one is going to listen to me on this. I don't find his earlier comments helpful on this page.
Sure man. Let me put it this way; the very clues to finding mafia lie in the links between the players, not in the hypothetical reasoning behind a vote.

How does this explain a vote against a player without letting them comment. Is this okay for everyone to jump on a BW? Or is it okay for only certain people?
I'm chaning my vote due to Miztef' 180 degree turn about from one post to another. Sloppy is scummie
unvote: vote: Miztef
That's it? You give evidence for why others are scummy, and throw a 1 liner in against me (which I find very vague as to what you are refering to) and get on my bandwagon. I don't like that at all, talk about 180's, you were
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Post Post #124 (ISO) » Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:33 am

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On top of neko, I don't like muffinhead's 180 from "How do I know who scum is?" to "Vote scumbag Max".

Still don't like neko's awk SK comment, WIFOM, then trying to back track on the WIFOM completely making it a different argument.
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