Mini 1869- camn's revenge GAME OVER!

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NOW WE COME BACK AT THE SAME TIME AHHHHHHHH

AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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pine fucked up

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okay starting sircakez

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If I go to sleep, I won't give a read.

These are literally the only times I can

really

play.

So shut the fuck up and let me do this.

if you end up reading my posts, i left an easter egg in them for you

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No I mean it's just cute that you think I'm scum. When I tell you I got nommed for a scummy award, it's because you wouldn't even think it was possible that I was scum, if I was scum this game. Especially when I haven't played with you as town, when you can't tell the difference, you're pretty much fucked.


I think I deserve a flash wagon

while it's possible pine would guide cakez to buddy the shit out of you this post does look pretty solidly town

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Hate to break it to ya but it isn't eggsactly April just yet

Don't worry, I won't tell anyone we cracked the game open early.

BOOM

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No I mean it's just cute that you think I'm scum. When I tell you I got nommed for a scummy award, it's because you wouldn't even think it was possible that I was scum, if I was scum this game. Especially when I haven't played with you as town, when you can't tell the difference, you're pretty much fucked.


I think I deserve a flash wagon

while it's possible pine would guide cakez to buddy the shit out of you this post does look pretty solidly town

Okay, explain to me how the post is town because it's so hard for me to try and get an outside perspective on how that post reads town. I still can't get the reason as to what people are seeing.

If it's a genuine belief that you have a strong scum game and people wouldn't pick up on it, then I don't think that you'd be in the position talking about how impossible it would be to catch you when you've already been caught. It's not a strong read because the reason you wouldn't say something like that is because it feels silly as hell doing it and usually falls flat but I certainly see where Cakez is coming from with that.

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GIN I NEED YOU WORKING NOT PUNNING

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Lynching town Nacho is pretty good for scum.Or alternatively, bussing scum Nacho would reap a shitload of towncred.

I can see him pushing Mastina because he disagrees with her approach to Pine, but I think that his logic sort of falls flat right about here; I don't think that it's reasonable for Mastina to believe that she can get me lynched by saying "Pine will pick him" regardless of our respective alignments because it's just not a strong case on its own. Maybe as a supplement it can get a small extra boost, but alone? Fuck no. It seemed pretty clear to me that mastina's motive as scum there wouldn't be to get me lynched.

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Also Pisskop's followup to that post is hot garbage: "don't afford credit for bussing Nacho" misses Cakez's point completely.

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To make sure I understand, you're saying it's town because it's a contradiction of what the game status was at the time?

That's the idea behind it, yes.
From my perspective, I have a tendency as town to recognize points where suspicion wouldn't be a problem if I was scum; when you're scum, you can do certain things to avoid suspicion that you just can't do as town. It felt like that for me.

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no, it's to get you to TR her

boom

hey, mastina, did you check out aeronaut's drunken christmas party? just finished, pine was scums I was town

That would be mastina scum motivation that makes sense, yes.

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Because whenever someone asks why someone just naked voted them, they'll inevitably say some stupid shit like "reasons" or "not saying" or whatever.

This is Cakez's response to Monokuma's "why didn't you respond to our naked vote?". It was pretty good.

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The only thing that sticks out to me in this post is if Cakez knows Mastina's philosophy on bussing. Wiki tells me she thinks it's the most overrated thing ever.

Doubt it.

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Problem of Monokuma: Everything before their Fate push is flaming trash and worth instalynching them for, everything after is actually pretty solid. #923 on is back to being bad.

Fate push is good?

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I've never seen you be mislynched and you're generally a strong player so I reject this.

This seems like a Cakez-town push; he could honestly just look up mastina's recent games (would make sense, he might find DEFCON 5 aka "mastina is huge huge mislynch bait") but instead he just keeps on plugging away. I'm not sure he'd invest himself so thoroughly in mastina push if scum.

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prism can drag himself over that finish line

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At some point someone is going to have to sell me on Gin/Fate being town but that's going to have to happen another time. Fate gets a pass solely because of Monokuma.

P-Edit: Fate push is fine, believability of posts/stances improves dramatically.

Fate is scum or town power; he should get a pass on that if nothing else.

So you don't find any parts of the three-pronged push problematic?

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Because I've commented on that earlier in thread and if I wasn't busy grinding on a Cakez ISO I'd probably dig back and bring it up to make chatting easier but I thought it was the first push with any real heart behind it and it sucked.

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Ok? Not sure what this is supposed to be convincing me of other then you bussing Nacho is very much a possibility.

And this is... completely missing the point.
Mastina talked about a game where she bussed me and everything went to shit shortly after as a sort of parable to not bud the shit out of your partners for no reason.

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Maybe mastin/nacho/fate? Aero could be in there somewhere (except not replacing mastin).

But then again, does Mastin/Nacho/Fate feel like a Cakez opening scumteam?
Probably not.

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also pisskop's "i want to call this shot bad but i'm waiting for the flip to happen" was a pile of hot garbage; mastina was polarizing enough at that point and pisskop was pretending to trend far enough to the mastina side where taking the middle ground didn't make sense.

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this is a case that they thought was strong even if they were scum.

Okay, I can understand this perspective.

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Okay I don't know how Cakez plays but looking at this, I mean does it make sense for scum to say every single one of the 3 top notable players and attract their attention onto himself or a town perspective of being fearful of all 3 of you guys?

I don't really know Cakez either (I used to be able to read him but then my ability went to shit), but I don't really think Cakez would push all of us out of the gate. I don't think most players (save Prism) would push us all out of the gate.

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Basically it's a suicide mission to attack all 3 of you guys

Devil's advocate: Pine would know this too and could have advised a scumbuddy on the subject.

However, I called that devil's advocate for good reason; I feel that to be an incredibly unlikely scenario.

I can't see him sending Cakez on a random suicide mission; he doesn't really have good return even if it succeeds but it has a high chance of going poorly.

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Nacho, I'm all yours for now. What would you like me to read/do/comment on?I just need a direction to look in.

You've never needed direction before.
I'm here to make sure your voice is heard but I'm not going to walk you through posting.

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Biggest issue I'm having right now in the townbloc is Nacho is being power town but has reacted

very

outside town expectations with regards to me (which is where my strongest reads come from)

Interesting.
I'd have thought you'd understand my approach better once I started posting.

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I definitely think mastina!scum would go for the jugular on you here. When she's active (as she is here) she has a huge presence in game and can easily command wagons. And especially early on when you weren't posting I don't think mastina!scum trying to get you lynched is unreasonable at all. My 2cents.

It's not unreasonable.
I do think there are reasons why she wouldn't want to engage me in a 1v1 as scum that I don't need to get into here but they exist.
More importantly, I know she wouldn't get my lynched on

that reasoning

. Mastina is a smart player. She knows when reasoning is not going to stand on its own. If she's trying to mislynch me, she's bringing bigger guns than that. Does that make sense?

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Interesting.
I'd have thought you'd understand my approach better once I started posting.

Let's hear you verbalize

why

you think I'm town.

If my jam session goes how I plan for it to go I'll get there.

But short version is that your approach to the game hinges too much on me for you to be scum. If you are scum, you're putting a lot of time in effort manipulating me which you could possibly be doing for a big risk, big reward scenario but it's doubly stupid because A) I'm smart enough not to give a GOD TOWN read on you because I still don't understand how deep your scum game goes, which means I won't set you up for a deep run and B) Pine probably told you I have HIGH CHANCES of being a PR which means that your team is shooting me eventually no matter how shit I play.

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"Just do you" they say, 73 pages into a Mini with some of the site's most iconic players filling pages with walls...

Aristophanes
1) post
2) get townread

that's it

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That's pretty poor so I'll take it.

hmmm?

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Cakez is a surprisingly townie read so far (my impression before was scum) so I'd like to finish the read there; you can move on if you want.

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Aristophanes:
We're talking about Cakez. Why don't you talk about Cakez with us?

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CAKEZ BY THE OCEAN

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And this reaction is pretty awful.

Cakez, why was this Fate reaction awful?

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I'd rather have Cakez talking here then doing some lame-o reading, to be honest.

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I did address your posts earlier, they suck

Fate mentions before this post:

"Fate's push on Nacho sucked"
"Fate's jumping on lurkers"

eh

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Actually, doing better than "eh"; why did Fate's push on me suck? Why is "jumping on lurkers" a bad thing?

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Ari, why did you choose the top 3 wagons to read about instead of thinking who you thought was scum yourself?

Because the amount of "following this thread" I've done isn't enough that I am confident in my reads. Starting with the major wagons gets me their thoughts as well as the thoughts of most people involved. It is a good place to jump off to see where it takes me.

Why did you think that you were going to be scumread no matter what you did?
Do you prefer answering questions over reading?

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I'm too tired for this but my goal is to make a vote and pin one scum before bed. Oh, the humanity.

That's pretty poor so I'll take it.

hmmm?

I'm not going to convince you I'm mafia, even though I spent basically the last 20 pages doing exactly that. I mean as fun as it is I need to remember that I'm here to win the game not mess with/test you by doing stupid shit that no remotely intelligent/sane person would do.

I might be missing obvious things here but since I'm tired: why did you say that my response was pretty "poor"?
It would probably be easier to vote scum if you spent more time searching and less time entertaining yourself >.>

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Mastina telling me to fuck off also sucks
Especially since she's supposedly town reading me.

I liked this post; if scum, it was a good way to handle a strong influx of town emotion and that's something that's difficult (for me at least) to handle on the fly.

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Gin, Mastina, and I have talked pretty extensively for a good number of pages. We've named it a "town jam".

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Gin, you still alive?

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as in do you still have jam spirits left in you?

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i'm fading out right now but I agree we're done with Cakez for now, want something else.

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I just have a feeling I've let this go too far for too long (even if it's only been a week) and I will struggle to come back from it. This along with being V/la starting, well, basically from when I go to bed until Monday, isn't gonna help a damn thing. Probably me just looking at worst case scenario. I feel like I have all these votes on me that aren't there and its weird.

If you are town, I need you to trust us.
I don't need you to read the whole game and give really intelligent and insightful comments.
I don't need you to read the game. I just need you to trust us, and that means believe me when I say if you're town there's not a chance in hell that you're getting lynched this game. I just need you to let your guard down and post.

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Gin, was we "you and Ari" or was we "you and me and Ari"?

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Or is this a race and you're already winning???

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It'll be less F5'ing for me if I work on BTD6. Mastin, are you still hanging in there?

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Nothing yet.

I think I want to look at the big picture again before I start looking at specifics.

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01. Secret Agent Jin
02. BTD6_MAKER
05. Fate
06. drealmerz7
07. Monokuma (Nahdia + Road Kamelot)
09. Aeronaut
10. Prism
11. SirCakez
12. Vaxkiller
13. Aristophanes (replaces pisskop)

{Nacho, Mastina, Gin} - I trust you two more than I trust anyone else, for what are probably obvious reasons to you two.
{drealmerz7} - drealmer read has a nice balance of understanding his play and a scum range that isn't terrifying
{Prism, Fate} - Prism has come across as fairly town at points but I'm not leaving him in those tiers because he could be centering his play around me and doing a fantastic job of it; he has the range. Fate should be powering through and he does seem town but he just hasn't gotten there yet.

Cakez is a potential candidate because I've liked his posts a lot on readthrough; definitely agree with your perspective there now.
Aristophanes I want to see what Gin and him produce but I think he could certainly move up.

If both are town, we have: {Vaxkiller, Monokuma, Jin, BTD6, Aeronaut}.
If that block is true, then one or both of Monokuma or Aeronaut absolutely have to be scum.
And Vaxkiller seems town from what I remember from him, and BTD6 doesn't really look horrible.

Am I townreading people too easily?

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I think I'm still freaking about the "monkey in the middle" scenario - Fate's still a scum possibility and it would make Pine's scum picks make more sense.
Aeronaut/Jin/Monokuma is the only thing that really looks like a Pine scum team without Fate and doesn't rip up my reads. Is that a feasible scumteam? Is it feasible if someone gets substituted for pisskop/Cakez?

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I know exactly what I need music wise.
JAM

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Pine, you do realise it is optimal for you to do nothing but prodge here. Every time you post we get more information/

I am getting far more "Pine interactions" reads than I thought I would originally, but here's another Pine interactions read.
I liked that he was coaching the coach and don't think the coach would coach him to coach the coach, and I love that the sentence I just created makes sense.

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in the early part of this jam session it was rap and pop and hipster
now it's 80's and house music

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or not really house music
I don't know what the fuck it is actually
but it's what I needed right now

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Listen to an artist named ZHU plz

faded is already on the playlist

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This post looks bad. If Mastina scumreads Aeronaut then the pro-Town thing to do would be to try to explain it. It is easy for scum to do this in order to defer giving reasoning because you know your reasoning will be under scrutiny.I consider this likely as I myself did it in Open 642 and came under a lot of pressure for it.

BTD6 certainly gets town points for pushing Mastina; I don't think that someone who "defers giving reasoning because said reasoning will be under scrutiny" as scum is likely to join in and maintain mastin hatred.

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Your reasoning is flawed. It can be used to explain that it is more likely that Pine picked optimal picks but not guarantee it. What stops someone from entering the WIFOM game and then coming to the conclusion that Pine made WIFOM picks?

I have to say that I think BTD6 scumreading mastina because "she's wrong with how Pine made picks" and "she didn't elaborate on her read" is bananas reasoning; don't have the experience with him to make a judgement call on alignment, though.

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Like.
Would Vaxkiller + Secret Agent Jin + Aeronaut be plausible?
It kinda feels right to me, but I'm not sure by how much.

I'm not sure how much until I finish jamming through remaining players.

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Which didn't seem possible before but certainly seems possible now.

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calm down calm down

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Ari does look town but I still want him around to chat if he's able to be around.

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I've brought up some BTD6 points; what do you think of them?

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I will respond to Vaxkiller in full. And Cakez. I had to take the music off the speakers so the neighbors don't strangle me with my own entrails but now I'm back in the saddle.

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Ari does look town but I still want him around to chat if he's able to be around.

I can. I'm sacrificing sleep for it, but as I say, I'll be away once I go to bed, so I'll do all I can before I do go!

If you need to go to sleep, of course go to sleep; don't want anyone suffering for the sake of the jam session.

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Again, no explanation for Ari being 100% scum. Also, you claim Mastina is Town purely because she is hard to lynch. This is faulty logic and does not clear anyone. Mastina is being wagoned. Some wagons lead to a lynch; some don't. It is possible to consistently avoid lynches even with a wagon. Also, I am doubting whether what you say is actually true about Mastina. Provide evidence.In short, Ari is not confscum and this reasoning is terrible. On Day 1 we only have one guaranteed confscum, and that's Pine.

Conviction here is decent; I don't really have an impression of BTD6 as a player but again, based on his comment about his scum game earlier, the conviction expressed seems pretty strong for "I'm scared to share reasoning or else it be scrutinized".

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You don't think that, as scum, he may want to do this as a distancing move? It reads a little bit as a cheeky "yo, stop posting shit! It's giving people info about us!" no?

If BTD6 struck me as the cheeky type, I'd be much more inclined to think distancing move.
Since he seems fairly straightforward to me, it seems strange that he'd do something like that of his own accord and it's even weirder that Pine would coach him into it.

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Ari does look town but I still want him around to chat if he's able to be around.

I can. I'm sacrificing sleep for it, but as I say, I'll be away once I go to bed, so I'll do all I can before I do go!

If you need to go to sleep, of course go to sleep; don't want anyone suffering for the sake of the jam session.

I can stay for a half hour, how's that

Perfect.
It's even more perfect if Gin manages to stay awake but everytime he goes like 3 minutes without posting my heart breaks and I feel he's asleep at the wheel.

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I tihnk the thread was thrown for a loop by the 100% thing, which makes my whole point a little weaker here.

yeah, I think that's a big part of it.
and BTD6 getting thrown for a loop like that is why I think he's more of a straightforward/literal guy hence being comfortable in the Pine coaching thing being a towntell. Does that make sense?

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Nacho, you got 18 more ounces of dew left in me :p

then let's go crazy.

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I mean not that we haven't already but let's do it.

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also did you give an opinion on mastin thinking about Vax/Jin + {Mono, Aero}?

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Okay, not going to lie, kinda want to put Ari in the bloc

absolutely.

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like i'm so agreed with that the only reason I haven't brought it up is because I thought we already did it.

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Genuineness is often unduly townread, but in this case you have stronger thing backing it up than just "well it seems genuine" which come together nicely.

The only fear that I have is if I don't know him well enough to see if I'm reading too much in between the lines.
Maybe one day down the road if I'm alive down the road I'll read BTD6 to see if I can see if my expectations are right, but the read is completely off if I'm wrong about his general playstyle.

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also did you give an opinion on mastin thinking about Vax/Jin + {Mono, Aero}?

Myself?

At this point Jin is,

VOTE: LOCK Jin

If not Vax, then I'm looking at Mono and Aero being the two others we are looking for.

yeah I'm ready to blitz Jin

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If this is the remaining stock of people, it makes sense in the way she set them up. From what I have read, it doesn't seem like Mono and Aero are together.But I don't know if I could believe that as Pine's picks.I'm not gonna rely on that, and I kinda like her narrowing it to them like this, but it's one of those things that's gonna be there regardless.It shouldn't sway anything though. It's Pine Wine and we should just lynch scum, not those who "should have been" scum.

Mono-Aero-Jin makes more sense to me as a Pine picked team, but I want to keep the Pine Wine in mind less so it can dictate our lynches now and more so it can help us reanalyze if everything goes horribly wrong.

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We able to come to a conclusion on BTD6?

aristo and I feel okay on him
I acknowledge there's a decent margin of error on the read but I lean towards town

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Is Mastina confirmable? I do not know for sure. If Mastina is scum, it would be trivial to claim to recruit a partner. We should wait for a while until Day 2 or 3 (probably 3) and seeing if Mastina dies or not (although scum may gambit by not killing Mastina). For now, I think I will let Mastina live.

I also liked mastina paranoia along the lines of BTD6 talking about Mastina recruiting a partner and then the town not managing to lynch her or her partner; unfortunately my reason for liking it is nothing more than "feels genuine", but it feels genuine.

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I explicitly acknowledged that you have several reasons. Even taken together, these do not make someone obvscum, let alone confscum. You need stronger evidence for that. It is not a "slam dunk" case, it is a moderate case at best.Also, you might say Ari is bad as scum. Ari himself might say that. Now look at his W/L record as scum on the wiki. You are probably assuming he is completely hopeless as scum and will lose practically all the time. This is false. He has a decent win rate as scum. You are both probably confirmation biased on that point (remembering scum losses rather than wins).

I liked this post a lot too; it shows he's doing research on his own into Ari.
And now that I have a much better Ari!town feeling, I think it's even better that this research is leading him to defend Ari.

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we only have 10 more minutes of Ari

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so thank you Ari! I appreciate you coming in and interacting with us the way you did; you climbed into the middle of us spamming for hours and hours and hours and I thought you hit a really, really great stride and I know went from thinking maybe Ari is playing typical scumgame to Ari very very very town. Thank you.

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I don't know why I'm being a fucking idiot here but I don't understand what you're saying.

Can you give me a 10 minute break to run to a gas station and get a 52 ounce of dew? I don't think you know how ready I am to go ham.

I'm not THAT needy.

It's even more perfect if Gin manages to stay awake but everytime he goes like 3 minutes without posting my heart breaks and I feel he's asleep at the wheel.

Complete contradiction. Lynch him bois

that was 3000 posts ago
i'm needy as hell now

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I don't want to lynch mastina today, but if im dead tomorrow and mastina targeted the NK, or is "linked" to someone super scummy, please remember me.

I think this post looks town is an exceptionally ballsy move from scum. There's no way Vaxkiller is getting shot night 1, but Vaxkiller as town sees everyone letting mastina go and he feels like all mastina has to do to coast to a win is kill him.

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and also i don't remember if I'm still voting Mono or not but:

Vote: Secret Agent Jin

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Aero, get your ass back on fate, dreal, help me lynch fate and we will lynch mastina tomorrow (because I know her ability is going to fail somehow). BTD6, same goes for you about mastina

and again, mobilizing the soldiers to double lynch fate/mastina (because of course mastina's ability is going to fail) seems more confident/convinced town than scum; it's not knock your socks off conviction but it's still worthy of mention

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so thank you Ari! I appreciate you coming in and interacting with us the way you did; you climbed into the middle of us spamming for hours and hours and hours and I thought you hit a really, really great stride and I know went from thinking maybe Ari is playing typical scumgame to Ari very very very town. Thank you.

Well thanks for letting me get into this game! Honestly this is exactly what I needed and you guys should be highly commended for not immediately throwing me to the curb!

I'll keep this up. We're here to wreck Pine, and I fully intend to! XD

I look forward to making him regret his life choices with you.

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@nacho

You really don't think there is ANYTHING suspicious about claiming that at L3, as well as her acting like everyone should town read her for CLAIMING it?

I unvoted earlier because I understand it deserves a chance. I'm venting my suspicions and I'm a little less suspicious now.

Mastina seems like the type of person down for a gambit, I still dont think its the worst possible role to claim, and she could talk herself out of something going wrong with her role tomorrow easily.

I think that this progression looked good.
Trying to walk Vaxkiller off that ledge was trying to pull a cat away from a chicken sandwich they've already sunk their teeth into; I love how he backs off a little tiny bit but still grumbles about how he still thinks she could be scum.

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I don't want to lynch mastina today, but if im dead tomorrow and mastina targeted the NK, or is "linked" to someone super scummy, please remember me.

I think this post looks town is an exceptionally ballsy move from scum. There's no way Vaxkiller is getting shot night 1, but Vaxkiller as town sees everyone letting mastina go and he feels like all mastina has to do to coast to a win is kill him.

Would you agree scum have a tendency to forget that they can be "NK'd" when faking a townie?

Usually when that comes up is when scum are fakeclaiming PRs, but yeah, it's not something they bring up often unless you're a player who gets killed a lot in general.

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I see it as something he'd do in almost any scenario.

This is in reference to drealmer going ballistic on mastina, which... doesn't make any sense.
I see "drealmer going kamaikaze on mastina" as that one scenario where he loses his mind and goes apeshit, not something he'd do in every scenario. Unless I'm missing something here?

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If that group is not scum I'm guessing we have bad townreads in {Vax, Prism, Fate, BTD6}. And Pine Wine says our bad townread is in Prism/Fate.
Prism needs to clear himself by putting himself in garbage situations for him!scum and Fate just needs to pop in and be charming as per the usual.
Vax could be wrong if I'm underestimating his scum game and BTD6 is wrong if he's more confident as scum then I'm assuming he is.

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I can simply say I concur.

it's the last push, don't go all echo chamber on me now

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I'm over it mastina. If you feel like giving any scum reads this game, go ahead! Otherwise, your reminiscing about outdated games isn't helping anyone. It's great that you had fun with pine what three years ago, but now is now and in case you didn't notice, this game wasn't made for you. Having said that, I'm very certain mastina is town, here. Town who is going to ego their way around and be wrong, but pretty obviously town. People on the mastin wagon are fooling themselves if they think mastin comes in here and pulls this crazy bullshit.

And this is maybe probably confirmation bias, but I don't like how Aeronaut shuts down actually scumhunting completely in order to tell mastina that she's wrong. If he thinks that she's town beyond town and on a crazy path I can see her trying to get her on a less crazy path, but he seems like he's focusing a bit too heavily on trying to get her off the crazy path and not so much on anything else.

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VOTE: SircakesSC and Drealz are both on that wagon, but bear is kind of right, drealz interactions with mastin are becoming more and more obvious town.

VOTE: Fate

then there are these two votes, which are honestly garbage.
the "do more" vote on Fate doesn't feel like Aeronaut legitimately trying to read Fate in any sense of the word and the vote on SC is because he voted mastin and was wrong? just because someone's voting a townie doesn't mean that they're scummy

[Nachomamma8]

He he, Hey Nacho. Wanna see something cool?

yeah!!!

[Nachomamma8]

So one of BTD6 is probably scum, and one is probably town.

earlier aeronaut was talking about how not listening to pine was probably a good idea
now he's creating a SvT based on pine interactions

?

[Nachomamma8]

also i'm probably conf-biasing at this point so i'll probably start but aeronaut seems to enjoy criticizing Mono but doesn't seem to enjoy pushing them.

[Nachomamma8]

Regarding Fate, I'm currently very torn; Reading fate alone, no, I wouldn't say he's trying to solve the game. The one thing that does make me feel otherwise is his whole interaction with Nacho later on, where he says that a lot of his "scumreading" of nacho was just him trying to make nacho awkward and pressured; I honestly sort of believe that, strangely, because I usually don't believe that kind of thing. If that's true, Fate's at least doing something. Besides that, though, most of it is kind of sub-par from what he's supposedly supposed to be capable of, according to Mastina and from what I've heard in the GOAT thread.The thing that gives me pause though is that I really hate the pushes on him. Mono's push on him was based originally on interactions with pine, and the fact that they're assuming that Fate really felt like he needed interactions with Pine, which makes zero sense from any perspective. Your push doesn't make any sense to me either, that fate of all people in this game had artificial-sounding-posting syndrome; I don't actually know Fate and haven't played with him, but his behavior in this game is lot of things that aren't that. Ari's vote was/is still there from the pisskop-times so that's useless. That stuff worries me enough that I don't want to lynch Fate today, either. This has been a weird game in that there haven't been too many real wagons going on, which makes me feel like some of the people poorly pushing what we do have are just scum who are looking for a place to rest their vote until the day's over.

this post is better than the rest of them

#1267 is good to okay in general

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho.
Gin.
I just wanted to say.

I love you.

I love you too Mastina!
But I'm definitely nearing the end of my rope.

[Nachomamma8]

right now I think my preference would be to lynch Jin and have our mysterious neighborhood vigilante who nobody knows shoot Monokuma

[Nachomamma8]

but an Aero shot wouldn't be so bad either.
Monokuma could totally 100% flip town here but Aero might actually become readable down the road where with Mono I don't really know what's happening but doesn't seem to be the case

[Nachomamma8]

shit man we've been jamming for like 8 hours

[Nachomamma8]

My reads look more like:

{Nacho, Gin, Mastin, Ari}
{Cakez, Drealmer}
{Fate, Prism}
{BTD6, Vax}
{Aero, Mono, Jin}

[Nachomamma8]

with probably Cakez/Drealmer being different tiers if I'm honest with myself (drealmer above, almost want to put him TOP TIER)
if everything falls away
and everything somehow goes to shit
I always have you/mastina/ari

[Nachomamma8]

shit man we've been jamming for like 8 hours

I know, seems like a shame it has to end.

But, was worth it. <3

it was definitely worth it!

[Nachomamma8]

I will have to call it here tho Nacho. I have work at 9 in the morning but this was so juicy not to pass up. Like if I ever write in my Wiki, you're being name dropped as an achievement to play with.

Same goes for Mastina who I still am grateful for her teachings and allowing me to flourish in such the manner that I have done just now.

Your reads list is mine but broken down more :p

this is definitely a mafia memory that I won't forget anytime soon.
have a good night.

[Nachomamma8]

What's wrong with or plan seriously?

I'm very skeptical of the townbloc.

I would give SAJ's chance of flipping scum trivially higher than if you were to just RNG a name.

The reads I feel confident in are Mastina, Gin, and Aristo. I will defend these reads to the death and if you're skeptical about them, then my posts will be more geared towards convincing then listening because getting townreads of this strength is very strange and not something I let go easily (and if other people do not stupidly lynch any of those players then we win the game). If you're trivial in the rest, good; talk to me about them. Provide an alternative. If you don't, sorry the lynch is going through.

[Nachomamma8]

What's wrong with or plan seriously?

Well the biggest one I see is assuming everyone "Jamming" last night is town. The other is ignoring fate. I don't get it, everyone seems to think he is scummy, but doesn't want to vote him.

What are your specific criticisms with {Gin, Mastina, me, Aristo}?
I don't think Fate is scummy. I think Fate looks decently town. I think that the things you've pointed out against Fate are playstyle, playstyle, playstyle.

[Nachomamma8]

I don't see why you couldn't, especially day 1.Besides, most of us do not have that type of time to devote to anything, so how is the AI?

There is a difference between posting for 8 hours and scumhunting for 8 hours.
Scumhunting is AI from a player because, if a player is scum, they have to either fake it entirely (scumreads), or they have to decide whether they will townread a player and close them off from a lynch or whether they will try to get away with townreading a buddy (townreads).
The way that they scumhunted for 8 hours in particular is important to me because the thought progression becomes much, much harder to fake; there are moments of genuine-looking paranoia, there are reads going to town and then falling back to scum as more of the picture becomes clear, there are moments where it felt like the game was really solved, there's pride in the end result.

You say that most people don't have that type of time to devote to the game - hell yes, it was an extremely rare and unusual circumstance that brought us together for a Thursday night but when a rare and unusual circumstance leads to three people posting and commenting on the game for 8 hours straight, it seems kind of foolish to throw that out the window as not alignment indicative, don't you think?

Like I've said before, if you've brought specific criticisms, bring them up. If you don't have specific criticisms and just have uneasy feelings, there's nothing I've done - I've thought about this game and I've thought about my townreads them in particular for longer than I've thought about most games and so if something is going to chance in my reads, then it will be in response to new information; it won't be because someone tells me to read again.

Does that make sense?

[Nachomamma8]

Like I've said before, if you've brought specific criticisms, bring them up. If you don't have specific criticisms and just have uneasy feelings, there's nothing I've done - I've thought about this game and I've thought about my townreads them in particular for longer than I've thought about most games and so if something is going to chance in my reads, then it will be in response to new information; it won't be because someone tells me to read again.

Right now I've spent a long time forming those reads. Those reads will be hard to change unless people bring up good points; I will consider each

point

that people are bringing up. But right now, they're not bringing up points. They're just saying that I'm wrong and they doubt the town block. What am I supposed to do if someone just tells me that I'm wrong? Go "OK, I'm throwing out all of my reads and starting again"?

[Nachomamma8]

If you bring up a good point, I'm voting them, I'm killing you; I once spent 5 months straight being utterly convinced that a player was town, my hydra partner who hadn't read the game checked in for a moment, pointed out one scummy post and pointed out that I probably wouldn't be alive if that read was good, and then whoops I switched my read and voted him in LyLo. But I need something to switch my read; again, you can't just go "I'm paranoid!" and expect me to drop everything.

[Nachomamma8]

@Nacho:

You're missing a few pieces here. First is that only my recent posts really pivot on you-specifically because I am trying to nail you down as town. (I'm working on getting away from this)

One of the first missing pieces is that you seem to think my interactions with mastina were done

for you

. This was not the case. It was targeted towards the game at large and was finished

before you even came to weigh in

. Your warnings about it have largely been ignored.

The second is that I did not remember you had seen Podoboq's game until

after

it was over. The purpose of my "winks" and open discussion over it was that the alternative-noticing it yourself-is damning and grounds for an instant lynch. Bringing it up and turning it into a discussion is the best way out of this.

Second is that my line about feeling you townread me anyway was a lie to see if you'd do it. There's

no reason

for you to believe that I did any of that as town, especially if you think the endgoal is to get you to townread me (which appears to be the case). The fact that, from your perspective, my whole game is

created to get you to townread me

, and

wholly artificial

, is puzzling.

I really don't like your earlygame. Last night is really your only saving grace.

P-Edit: Gin, can you explain in your own words why I'm town? Why does my ego battle only come from town?

If you are scum this game, then your play is absolutely atrocious and bizarre to the point where I'll either need some fantastic explanations for what the hell you've been doing this entire game, or my excitement for playing scum with you and my high, high respect for your scum game will take a very serious nosedive.

Your early game with Pine felt genuine enough; your interactions with him were amusing, and you were doing a good job of conveying the "you've fucked up and here's your punishment" feeling. And then, here comes this:

You can argue WIFOM all day long here, but two things are on display here: 1. Pine read none of my games 2. Pine's pride clearly took a hit.

Which means the second you did something good, you had to run to me and point it out. To me, if you are scum, this is a desperate interaction; I'm not giving anyone a townread I care about due to interactions with Pine and yet you had to take me the time and hit me over the head with it about why I might think that it's town. At first, I was townreading you but then you point it out to me specifically and I twinge. But whatever, strict null, moving on.

If mastina has any good points whatsoever they're being completely lost. I'm pretending the past 5 pages don't exist unless your name is Aeronaut.

This is a missed opportunity, lazy; Mastina at this point had already become very, very polarizing. If you were scum, it's an infinitely better move to choose a side and gain some allies then just coast through the thread. But instead you go "hey guys, I'm not commenting on anything that people care about so far" - maybe you do this as scum to set up a negging manipulation of mastina down the road (sometimes you can get a solid townread from someone by harassing someone a good degree, getting their ire up, then recognizing why they are town), in which case, fine. But your manipulation of mastina was ruined when you again spent too much time talking to me about why I should be creeped out of your manipulation of mastina; you're right that she's not listening to me now because it doesn't make sense to. But when there are townflips, paranoia engages and if you think that she's not going to come back to me saying I have personal experience with you and holy shit your scum game terrifies me so don't let you get far don't let you get far don't let you get far, then you're delusional.

[Nachomamma8]

I don't think the game is solved. Even now I feel uneasier and uneasier with Aeronaut!scum. I still feel Monokuma is scum. I still feel SAJ is a great lynch. I still feel the four that I pointed out are town.

[Nachomamma8]

You know, I don't really like Monokuma much at all. The gimmick, while endlessly entertaining, is a pain to read for alignment just because

all of it

is by necessity fabricated. That said, they're voting Gin and Fate, and I can get on board with both of those. I don't think I've read a Cakez post so that's one up in the air.

I really like Vax's posts on this page and think they're town.

Here you give your read of the game that isn't coming from behind a thick cloud of disclaimers: your Vax read. Reasoning? "I like his posts and I think that he's town". As scum, would you just be too afraid to give reasoning that was definitive, insightful? Would you be so afraid of your options closing that you decided not to offer anything even close to compelling on your Vax read?

Just a heads up, I'm most likely not going to be able to contribute much until probably Saturday.

Nacho flattery will get you nowhere but just as a heads up, that was the worst scumgame I've played in close to 3 years.

"Hey Nacho, last scumgame I played was my worse in three years so my absolutely fantastic follow up is that I'm going to play

even worse

"??? If I was playing against you as scum, then I would bring my best. At my absolute peak of scum play, I've been investigated by a cop, then got the cop mislynched, then endgamed with only a single person so much as skeptical of me or my partner. I've manipulated a town lie detector to lie detect the exact POST I wanted to, then use that lie to bus my partner and solidify myself as a top townread for the rest of the game. Fate and I were in a large game with four neighborhoods who elected the towniest player alive; all our neighborhoods were scum. We had a partner claim a cop guilty on probably one of the best town players on site at the time, then egged him along to venge shooting the other strongest town player in the game then controlled the rest of the game with little to no resistance. I don't think this is you as scum bringing your best; the only way this makes sense coming from you as scum is if you're subverting my expectations of your scumgame to play a very, very weak scumgame, and that would be a very strong disappointment because I'm still not townreading you all that heavily and it's better 99% of the time just to play a strong scumgame when you have one, especially since the only person who's expecting you to bring the terror is me.

[Nachomamma8]

VOTE: Monokuma

Now I'll join you, Nacho. And Monokuma-I told you you were being careless.

You naked voted me - to get a reaction? Because as town I'm going to meltdown and then end up utterly convinced that you are town and then... what? Your interactions with Monokuma, if scum, are weird as hell - it looks like your strategy if you're scum here is to pretend you saw something amazing which you'll inevitably describe 50 pages down the road, but no one will care if you explain it 50 pages down the road - if you have a good reason to scumread them, it makes far more sense to explain them now or later. So now you're putting yourself in a position where you're almost obligated to bus but you won't get credit for it?

Fate's entire interaction with Monokuma is a trainwreck. If your name isn't Fate, and you can read the last 4-5 pages and say to yourself, "Yeah Monokuma is definitely mafia, 99% sure" then let me know. If you can't, you'll see my point. This just seems like an awkward attempt to fit some perceived townmeta of himself.

And this is the first SCUM CASE you've given. Waiting for the heavens to shake, open up, and I get you making a mistake that BTD6 made: clearly it's reasonable for you to have Monokuma as a scumread due to their Fate interactions (since I'm also there and posting why I think Monokuma's interactions with Fate suck), so either you're hung up on "99%" or this case makes no sense. If Fate is town, then I'm skeptical that you would try to poke the bear and get me to argue with you in this way. If Fate is scum, then I'm skeptical that you would try launching a weakshit bus on your partner in this matter. I'm skeptical this is the strongest thing you can find in thread if scum; your perspective should if you're scum this game to have healthy amounts of apathy and "I don't give a fuckness" then make up for all of it with a few, glorious moments - this should be a glorious moment but it's not.

[Nachomamma8]

I'm satisfied with your reasoning behind it now. As much as I'd like to continue the conversation from the hypothetical of me being mafia, I really don't think there's anymore to be gained out of it beyond what was just given.

At this point I've spent close to 2-3 hours skimming various parts of the game to no real "Aha!" moment. I'm fine just getting a flip out, even though I prefer it to be someone active and not just on SAJ.

Do you disagree with my perspective? Is this a scumgame you'd be proud of?

[Nachomamma8]

Youll be very surprised

Is there a reason you didn't comment on the past 20 pages?

[Nachomamma8]

Look at this crap
I'd put money on Katsuki/Fate scumbuddies now

Time to vote Katsuki, then.

[Nachomamma8]

I actually did just go back and read Ari's part of it.

VOTE: Ari is what I think of all that.

P-Edit: You can complain or you can fucking win the game. Pick.

Have you looked at Ari's scumgame?

[Nachomamma8]

I'm also interested in hearing the specifics when you're willing to offer them!

[Nachomamma8]

Have you looked at Ari's scumgame?

No, but you have, and apparently he fit it until the entire town started coaching him out of it.

He didn't.

[Nachomamma8]

I hadn't read any of Ari's posts at that point in time.

[Nachomamma8]

I hadn't read any of Ari's posts at that point in time.

I hadn't read Ari's old posts at that point in time.

[Nachomamma8]

Just the ones he was making while we were talking.

[Nachomamma8]

Like, you can clarify here that Ari's

actual posts

are town, but your argument you've just made to me now is that Ari wasn't fitting their scum meta. What you gave as their scum meta earlier is lurking. This is not a qualitative statement, it's a quantitative statement. It's not something you can just say "It's untrue"

Ari's scum meta is avoiding the shit out of the game and saying absolutely nothing. That wasn't how he had played the game thus far: my statements from when I got fired up on him were statements made without actually reading his ISO.

[Nachomamma8]

If you want to end the day, you could always vote Katsuki!

[Nachomamma8]

If you want to end the day, you could always vote Katsuki!

But I guess you want to wait another 4 days

[Nachomamma8]

I'm ready for a goddamn flip those extra hours aren't going to help me.

and again... you can lynch ANY TIME! You don't have to wait!

Katsuki lynch is still available to end the pain.

[Nachomamma8]

Who says we need to contribute more than that? We're trying. We put forward who we'll lynch. That's furthering our win condition, we don't feel the need to do more than that. Sorry if that upsets you.

Don't forget voting!
Or is there something you're looking for before you place a vote?

[Nachomamma8]

VOTE COUNT 1 . 20

• Katsuki ------------
  4 ( TheRealGin-N-Tonic, mastina, Nachomamma8, Aristophanes, )
  L- 3
  
  
  BTD6_MAKER ---------
  0 ( )
  L- 7
  
  
  TheRealGin-N-Tonic -
  2 ( BTD6_MAKER, drealmerz7, )
  L- 5
  
  
  Nachomamma8 --------
  0 ( )
  L- 7
  
  
  Fate ---------------
  2 ( SirCakez, Vaxkiller, )
  L- 5
  
  
  drealmerz7 ---------
  0 ( )
  L- 7
  
  
  Monokuma -----------
  2 ( Fate, Katsuki, )
  L- 5
  
  
  mastina ------------
  0 ( )
  L- 7
  
  
  Aeronaut -----------
  0 ( )
  L- 7
  
  
  Prism --------------
  0 ( )
  L- 7
  
  
  SirCakez -----------
  0 ( )
  L- 7
  
  
  Vaxkiller ----------
  0 ( Pine )
  L- 7
  
  
  Aristophanes -------
  0 ( )
  L- 7
  
  
  
  Not Voting -
  3 ( Monokuma, Prism, Aeronaut, )

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to SUMMON CAMN'S WRATH
Deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-25 12:00:00)

The only change is Prism voting Aristophanes.

[Nachomamma8]

Everything is going to be okay Gin

[Nachomamma8]

This was not a completely unexpected result.

[Nachomamma8]

nacho, I'm kind of reading all of last night as a bit of scum-theater between you and Gin...I'm having a hard time seeing it otherwise

I expected that eventually; certainly easier to believe than the possiblity you may be wrong, isn't it?

[Nachomamma8]

Am I not trustworthy, Monokuma?

[Nachomamma8]

You mention paranoia and reads going back and forth but these are all things that happen during any game - just stretched out over a longer time.

Of course referring to things vaguely doesn't help - would you like me to explain a townread for you?

[Nachomamma8]

You're delusional if you think that amounts to good play is the point.

This is independent of good play on our end.

I assume they are smart enough to know what they are doing.

[Nachomamma8]

yes, you are smart to know I'd start to read you with more accuracy, that you'd only have me fooled for so long - you could feel yourself going a little too over-the-top, but couldn't stop either

you know I know it's possible I'm wrong, it's not about ease of belief - not at all! but you have to try and frame it that way to discredit my thoughts. Unfortunately for you you didn't use your words very well and that phrasing it telling.

A failure to read me here is an absolute failure to read me, period; there are times when the lines are blurred and a little paranoia is never bad, but a hard scumread is a failure.

[Nachomamma8]

Unfortunately for you you didn't use your words very well and that phrasing it telling.

This sounds like a hard scumread to me, but hey!
Just let me know if it trends to the hard SR point so I know if I need to revoke your Nacho reading privileges.

[Nachomamma8]

You're not voting!

[Nachomamma8]

Voting is the most important part of every bear's nutritional regiment!

[Nachomamma8]

I mean, of course you don't have to do anything you don't want to do!
But you asked for a vote count and a gave you a vote count and now... vote?

[Nachomamma8]

Why can't we agree to lynch Jin?

Will probably happen eventually.
Will probably just take 4 days to get there.

[Nachomamma8]

I don't think lynching SAJ will really give us all that much information

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Nachomamma8]

oh no prism please don't say things like that

[Nachomamma8]

I don't think Prism was saying SAJ wasn't scum. He was just saying that there wasn't information in the lynch.

[Nachomamma8]

"You vote scum" is kind of the point of the game.

[Nachomamma8]

I think the last two times I pushed a lurker lynch and people told me "no, the information!!!" they flipped scum.

[Nachomamma8]

No, actually three times.

[Nachomamma8]

I think that pushing for information from a town lynch is sort of silly; if you can tell whenever a push was genuine or fake after you know they're pushing on town then you should be able to see it before and taking out weak points of the scumteam typically shakes things out regardless of how many posts they have.

[Nachomamma8]

Why are you trying to get another one, Prism?

[Nachomamma8]

You sound more like you want one town lynch and night kill before you lose a scum bud.

I don't think so; not like he's defending Katsuki.

[Nachomamma8]

Why are you trying to get another one, Prism?

And is Aristophanes your current choice for the dream scum lynch?

[Nachomamma8]

Scum flip+Ton of Information>Scum flip+Little Information

Sure. But in days where we are pushing close to the deadline and we already have a low information scum flip, fragmenting the town is typically not a good idea because it gives some much needed wiggle room to scum.

A low information lynch flipping town when that low information lynch is a reflection of a decent amount of POE is also pretty good information in and of itself and is usually where town stomps come from.

[Nachomamma8]

@Mastina: Let me know when it's mastin at the helm because I have 0 interest in engaging Mollie. She will call me scum every single game every time I am town and push for my lynches. I already quit my most recent game because of her and I'd rather have fun instead of having a kitten die every time Mollie makes a dumb post about me.

Mollie isn't in this game.

[Nachomamma8]

As for Nacho, DON'T DO THIS TO ME BRO. ;_;

Why not?

[Nachomamma8]

Most of the good times I remember include me tunneling you or mislynching you in Tales of You

[Nachomamma8]

So remember good times... Lynch Katsuki?

[Nachomamma8]

I'm not really sure what information Mono would give.
Fate, fine, but there's a high chance he's a power role if town and a swing and a near miss there would be more damaging than it would be on others.

[Nachomamma8]

I think Gin's frustrated because he put a ton of effort into the game and the feedback post time chunk was less than ideal. I don't quite blame him.

[Nachomamma8]

Same with Monokuma.

Do you think Monokuma will end up doing anything productive today?

[Nachomamma8]

Most of the good times I remember include me tunneling you or mislynching you in Tales of You

Katsuki's not the main person you need to apologize to for Tales of You, by the way.

-M.

That was definitely not an apology for that beautiful, beautiful game.

[Nachomamma8]

I was just remembering the best part where Katsuki got a guilty on scum and somehow managed to lynch himself??? And then... The scum didn't get lynched afterwards?

[Nachomamma8]

I was just remembering the best part where Katsuki got a guilty on scum and somehow managed to lynch himself??? And then... The scum didn't get lynched afterwards?

Also the part where there was a godfather who played scummily enough to get investigated, and once the investigation was announced, proceeded to be an absolute BLATANT scumfuck knowing full good and well nobody would lynch him. And I called him out for it, knowing exactly what shit he pulled, and for my troubles got mislynched by you for it.

(There's a reason AP replaced Pine as my rival. )

-M.

And we all thought that him claiming to investigate ffery was a dumb idea.

[Nachomamma8]

p.s. Remember that time muffin and I almost got you V/LA lynched with a daycop guilty 12 pages into the game?

And made me out as cop?
I do remember!

[Nachomamma8]

And for some reason it only makes me want a dead Cupcake more.

[Nachomamma8]

Wow.

Fate/katsuki scum team.

Make sure ot look into aero for the 3rd

Time to get voting Katsuki eh Vax?

[Nachomamma8]

scum wanted a mislynch that bad huh

its gonna cost them later on

doc protects on me you dumb fucks

1) He's not lynched yet
2) it's Katsuki so even if he is town are we really losing anything?
3) If you want him to live, save him

[Nachomamma8]

Fate what do you mean double voter?

FATEEEEEEEEEE

He means that Katsuki will vote with him wherever he goes, which is true.

[Nachomamma8]

We have THREE DAYS there is no pressure. Take a breather and realize thats a pile of shit. I was all down for a lurker powerlynch but Katsuki is an asset to town

Katsuki is a cupcake-shaped blindspot to you sometimes (and always has been, but that's probably because you thought he was a woman for like 5 years). I'm comfortable giving him today, but if down the road we have to chuck him off the cliff, then I want you to be the first one pushing.

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Monokuma

I expected that we might guide away from this lynch before EoD, but I wanted to give Prism the chance to perhaps do something interesting, but, more importantly, wanted time to see Fate/Katsuki interactions unfolding. I don't really think that this is Fate/Katsuki scumbuddies; I'd expect Katsuki would make lynching him a little more difficult in a him/Fate partnership and on Fate's end, I think he would have sold it farther. Fate!Scum/Katsuki!Town would involve Fate being a little more comfortable with Katsuki death; still possible, but there seemed to be a genuine tone in his response.

[Nachomamma8]

We have THREE DAYS there is no pressure. Take a breather and realize thats a pile of shit. I was all down for a lurker powerlynch but Katsuki is an asset to town

Katsuki is a cupcake-shaped blindspot to you sometimes (and always has been, but that's probably because you thought he was a woman for like 5 years). I'm comfortable giving him today, but if down the road we have to chuck him off the cliff, then I want you to be the first one pushing.

Not lynching?

Yes Lynching, just a fancy way to say it.

[Nachomamma8]

the latter two need sorting.

Have you skimmed my ISO at all?
Have you skimmed mastina's?

[Nachomamma8]

apparently we're going no-lynch

We won't no lynch.
Although if you had a particular worry that we would you could vote a wagon that has a chance of going through, but...

[Nachomamma8]

only a flip or sane cop proves anything in mafia, scum

This is Camn's game so there is a Vig. Please if you're the vig and believe in mercy vig the ever loving shit out of this slot.

Drealmer is paranoid and wrong but the conviction he's pouring into being paranoid and wrong is undoubtedly town.

[Nachomamma8]

If Katsuki was town, she would have been lynched already plain and simple. The fact that people wont vote her is damning to show scum want her alive still. Look at the bigger picture.

If the only stubborn shits we had to deal with in this game were scum, then this game would be easy breezy. Unfortunately that's not the case; there are a lot of players with deeply held beliefs which luckily means town reads are a hell of a lot easier to come by but it also means that getting any lynch through is going to be like pulling teeth with insanely sore gums.

[Nachomamma8]

or I'm the only one not being fooled

If this is not true, will you take this failure as an opportunity to change?
Or will you keep on your current path?

[Nachomamma8]

Gin, Fate's interaction with Katsuki is based on a long history with him. He has the potential to get a very strong read on Katsuki given enough time; when someone like that replaces in ~4 days before deadline ends, it makes sense to attempt to move the lynch off him to get that extra chunk of time because of the potential town!Katsuki could bring to the game.

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There are a number of players I'd do that for regardless of what they posted.

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I'm not going to allow a no lynch, so calm the fuck down. My goal is to write up a detailed report on fate so we can lynch him today.

I look forward to it!
As a piece of advice, please do some cursory research into Fate's meta; most of the pushes on him show a complete ignorance of playstyle which takes most confidence out of them at the get go.

[Nachomamma8]

Aristo, Mastina, Aero, Prism: need you to vote Monokuma.
Prism in particular, this should be the lynch that you've been dreaming about.

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Vigilante, please live Katsuki alive for one night and one night only; I'd like to give Fate the opportunity to read Katsuki and will also be a hell of a lot more aggressive towards him tomorrow. If you're hurting for a better target BTD6 was what vig shots were made for.

Even if you don't trust anything else that I've said today, trust me on this: if Katsuki doesn't play the towniest game he's ever played in his life, he will swing tomorrow.

[Nachomamma8]

you people are trying way too hard for day 1.

kinda pathetic tbh.

Thanks!

[Nachomamma8]

this isn't how day 1 is meant to be played.

There isn't a way day 1 was meant to be played; every game of different because every game was built off relationships between players.

If I mislynch Day 1 this game and everything goes horribly; I had a hell of a time today and I made a friend in Gin and I care a hell of a lot more than that than I do about getting approval from whatever warped darkness you're speaking from.

I'm sorry you're not having fun, but the replace out option is there for the taking; it's always possible to get someone that meshes better and who sees an experience where you see trash.

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And if we kill town today, we move on. It isn't an exact science; I know there's not a way to guarantee a scum lynch.

Oh well!

[Nachomamma8]

oh we're having plenty of fun.

In that case :thumbs up:
Most of your posts seem negative as hell so I was getting a different impression.

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sorry though, we thought we signed up for a game of mafia, not a game of speed-dating. guess that was our mistake!

You didn't seem confused with all your talk of PUNISHMENT TIME! Probably could have saved you a great deal of heartbreak.

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this level of discourse on day 1 gives scum plentiful chances to steer the lynch to where THEY want it to fall. as will be demonstrated by our flip!

Well to be fair, lynch wouldn't be happening if the speed dating block wasn't pushing your lynch through and I know I'm town, so all your flip shows is that you were town and we were wrong.

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oh, and don't take the fatalism too far. we will have something to claim.

So instead of claiming it as soon as possible, you're going to... hold onto it until the very last moment so more pages can be generated and the eod lynch can be as rushed as possible?

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There's nothing inherently towny

Okay.

[Nachomamma8]

There was no way in hell that you were a confirmable role here, which is where the "Monokuma is being Monokuma" to "Monokuma is dead scum" shift happened

[Nachomamma8]

If she was town and then got NKed, then we might have been looking for crumbs to what scum she targeted which would have cropped up super unnecessary paranoia.

[Nachomamma8]

When did we claim to be a confirmable role? I mean, we have a role you can confirm is in fact our role, but it's not a role you can verify is town.

I'm Popeye the sailor man
I'm Popeye the sailor man
I'm strong to the fin-ich
Cause I eats me spin-ach
I'm Popeye the sailor man.

[Nachomamma8]

Paranoia > lynching a confirmable town, no?

I'm not sure what you were saying; I was giving another reason why mastin claims that she doesn't die when she targets scum unless my wires got crossed somewhere.

[Nachomamma8]

Happy birthday Aero!

[Nachomamma8]

Idiots.

I want to believe the above. Can we please go back to lynching fate?

What happened to the big case on Fate that you promised?

[Nachomamma8]

I'm not saying the posts aren't original.

I am saying that when the entire town screams "Ari scum lurks and doesn't produce content",

Ari scum is going to provide content

"unquestionable content"

[Nachomamma8]

I'd vote Katsuki. I'd vote BTD6. I'd continue voting Monokuma, oddly enough; if I had time I'd probably outline a full case on the slot and maybe I will later.

[Nachomamma8]

I'd vote Katsuki. I'd vote BTD6. I'd continue voting Monokuma, oddly enough; if I had time I'd probably outline a full case on the slot and maybe I will later.

I'm mostly in favor of leaving Monokuma alive. I'd give them a straight 50% chance of being mafia (as opposed to like 30% BTD6), but with the investigatives they have a good chance of either making themselves town or at least giving us something on the way down.

If you're that deadset on lynching them just do it Day 2.

are you done fucking around or do you have a decent choice for a lynch yet?

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also if we are leashing monokuma (we should), i'd like to see the watch go in Ari's hands and I'd like mastina to hold off on her mason recruiter shot.