Mystic Mafia [Endgame]

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Look at the flavor text

"A great stillness spreads throughout the room"

Also, we now have reason to believe it isn't multiball (the amount of kills per night would be pretty odd)

VOTE: Papa Zito

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no, the lynch on ZITO stopped.

Yea that's what I meant

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So did he stop the lynch on Zito for sick wifom!!!!

Or because he's scum

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He claimed he had an item that did that. The alternative would be going "I don't know who did that" and prob getting lynch when nobody claimed it

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"rabbit"

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The fact that there's no NK tonight is some extra evidence in favor of the d1 lynch being time manipulated

huh

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My theory is that scum tried to kill me (after all, infinity had a fragment of the orb) and I got protected.

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Also nacho forgot that he claimed his post restriction changed every day.

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I'm reading your posts, I don't understand your problem with Kagami

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I wouldn't expect Nacho to give up until he's for sure dead anyways, so if the voodoo thing is real nacho can still be scum

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What's that mean?

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But I'm hammering

Do you have a reason?

Actually can we not rush this? unvote guys

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Zito is like, confirmed scum

VOTE: Papa Zito

Don't know why rc quick shot nacho, though

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Nacho didn't say he had an orb before dying...

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So why exactly do you think you should have it desperado?

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UNVOTE: I'm down with killing rc over that now

don't rush into it please

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he was given it.

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Yes, he was.

In case you can't recall, I started the game with the orb of fire

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and how did you give it to him?

I didn't; I gave it to somebody else, who then passed it onto nacho

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I blocked nacho both nights

there is no way he was passed an orb

confirmed by mod, my block blocks orb passings

Does it block stuff being passed TO him?

who passed it to him? and how?

YEAH


EXACTLY

you're caught

But I passed it to somebody else, and they passed it to Nacho. And if I need to, I can claim it.

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Yea well then either you're lying or something strange is going on. I gave it to somebody who wasn't nacho day 2, I assume they gave it to nacho, though for what reason I cannot be sure

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And Nacho presumably didn't steal it

Desperado, where did your neighborhood with nacho come from?

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and how did you give it to him?

and how did you give it to him?

snapsnap

where's your answer?

Orbs can be passed.

I'm asking dunnstral

yeahhh....backtrack to the scumchat to re-assess and organize thoughts?

it should be an easy answer...

they're figuring it out now...watch what they come back with

it could be perfect...

I'M

ASKING

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wtf is so hard about that?

if he wants to re-quote himself he can

if he wants to ammend somethng, he can

if he wants me to tell me to go fuck myself I should know the answer, he can

dunnstral thinks he's so fucking clever

but he's not

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all over the course of about 5 minutes

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where were you for those 5?

why didn't you answer promptly in the middle of this shit?

lol

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Best part is drealmerz literally isn't even ccing or whatever he's calling me scum for, because desperado is the one who said that nacho had the piece, and whoever I gave the fire fragment to during night 1 would have been the one to pass it to nacho

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I was actually being serious guys. Do you think there's a town and a scum roleblocker?

Me and kagami both have neighborhood abilities, and somehow you ended up in a neighborhood with nacho, so I don't think two roleblockers means that much

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WHY ARE YOU STILL coming after me, Kagami just said she recieved my piece and gave it to Nacho

You're almost certainly misinterpreting what your role does. Also, we n ow know that Kagami passed an orb fragment on to someone who was town (along with passing one to mollie) and mollie-kagami is a pretty unlikely team, and so we can say that Kagami is probably town.

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By the way, I'm still thinking papa zito is scum and want to talk about that, but RC having two orb pieces can't be ignored after he quick shot after I explained the zito stuff

In any case, let's slow down please. We shouldn't be lynching for a couple days

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Nah 1968 confirms that he misunderstood the way his role works; the person you roleblock can't pass it on

You also probably stopped him from shapeshifting which is what kept him from changing post restriction, so you calling him out on a "slip" back then was pretty bad.

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You also probably stopped him from shapeshifting which is what kept him from changing post restriction, so you calling him out on a "slip" back then was pretty bad.

eh, not really. No reason to believe that was an active ability.

I believe it was a blockable passive.

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By the way, to the scum roleblocker question, if roleblockers stop orb transfer they could have roleblocked and killed me to get back what I took from infinity

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I want a claim from papa zito.

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Nah I've got a better idea. We lynch papa zito, I neighborize RC and tell him where to send his fragments. For confirmations sake, I'll tell him to send it to the same person I sent infinity's piece away on day 2. If I die that person can speak up if the fragments weren't given

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Otherwise, I can't agree to desperado taking the fragments. They're towny but not to the level of some fo my other reads, and I'm mechanically better for taking it because I also am able to neighborize for tonight and so if I'm roleblocked or anything funny happens I can also convey that to another person

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Then I can't agree to you hammering for the reasons I said

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Mollie, it's also better mechanically, because there's a way to alert the town if I'm roleblocked and killed

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this is the third time that pple are pushing for a zito lynch when he is not around.

Well, he hasn't shown up all day.

And no, I didn't have any neighborhood today

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I don't see how you wld be alerted to you being roleblocked and nked. and i don't know how it wld be mechanically.

I'll neighborize the person I'm sending the fragments to. If I die, and they haven't gotten it, they can assume I've been roleblocked and the shards taken

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except you get roleblocked and can't neghborize shit.

It's a twilight action

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Dunnstral REALLY seems to want the shards...and it's getting creepy.

except he gave one away once, right?

I gave two away

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Fine. whoever I gave my shard to (don't reveal yourself) should give that shard to desperado tonight, and we'll let him combine the shards. At the same time, we should get an investigative result on him. Along with a doctor protect

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zito is probably telling the truth

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You guys are forgetting that kagami gave the piece I gave her to nacho; there wouldn't be a reason to do that and then have a teammate shoot him without him having claimed the piece

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I think drealmerz is probably town too

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I think you're getting upset at her suspicions that are just in your neighborhood, it looks more like she's just saying what's on her minda nd talking to you about it

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VOTE: red coyote

I'm fine with desperado getting the fragments

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That wasn't hammer

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inb4 RC isn't actually hated

oh



UNVOTE:

Just in case; we'll see

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VOTE: Red coyote

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You only have yourself to blame for that shot.

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no

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You don't have it why? What piece are you missing

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VOTE: Staeg

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They're not related. Staeg is my poe scum

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you really think all but 1 bused infinity!?

What are you talking about

"All but 1" = just staeg?

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just stop trying to analyze the votecount

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It's worth noting that infinity had a piece of the fragment when he was lynched

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I don't support lynching drealmerz

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The misunderstanding of his role struck me as really towny. I just don't think he's scum, and is rather just a crazyed lunatic townie by play

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I swear to god, the more I think about it the more I find it super weird that we being in a position to make up fantasy theories in order for kagami to be town instead of her simply being scum and not giving the orb to desp. cos if scum had a orb stealer then why did they wait until now.

I feel really good about saying Kagami is town, though, so I suspect there were shenanigans. But that doesn't necessarily matter: I think we can lynch staeg regardless of shenanigans and call it a good lynch

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Or it could work that the thief acts before the transfer and targeted Kagami.

Nope, they'd have targeted desperado

Unless maybe they thought they could kill him and he got protected

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1. i explained why I am treating her as town. I am afraid I am stuck in confbias.

Alright then. I don't think that's the conclusion I would draw but something something I haven't seen the actual qt.


I am a Light Warden, a Turtle Mystic.
I can listen to someone's Soul Frequency at the end of any day to learn about a Connection they have if they have ~enough votes~. I also apparently have the ability to sever their connection at night (if I could find one).

I can't target the lynchee and the only day I could get a result on was day 2. I'm not altogether convinced it should be revealed.

At the beginning of the game I assumed a few roles were going to have abilities based on numbers of votes on players at the end of the day, which was what I meant by "the thing you're not supposed to talk about". Or just abilites based on votes in general, which was reinforced by Nahdia's reaction. Based upon that I figured that announcing some nature of my ability would be counterproductive, since the ability doesn't seem that great without knowing what a Connection is and there were very likely to be scum roles with similar mechanics.

I now have some ideas about what a Connection is - definitely the quicktopics people have, but for my role to not be a complete dead weight, it would also need the ability to detect scumtopics. That, in turn, indicates a 2p scumteam or that scum didn't start the game with a quicktopic.
Or my role could just be mostly dead weight. That's more probable, I guess.


I am also experiencing doubts about Mollie's role being incongruous with a scum alignment.

Uh, I've got a neighborhood ability too, but mine is only for the night

which was what I meant by "the thing you're not supposed to talk about"

Nope, they were talking about another game

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mebbe I am tunneling on kagami. which is what I was afraid of and why i have for the most part been leaving her alone.

I think there's a good chance she's town

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@Dunn is your neighborhood ability flavored as Connections?

Not sure what that means

I enter somebodies dreams

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if they have ~enough votes~

This part sounds scummy

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so there's no mention of the word "connection" in your role PM or the title of your PT or anything

mollie's neighborhood ability she was talking about doesn't mesh well with my ability either, so I might just be the oddball here. Somebody neighborized desperado and nacho, and kagami's neighborhoods seem to last forever

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We can ask Desperado what his neighborhood flavor was

and so I am

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I would probably self-hammer here if I was the orbstealer with the last fragment.

Why?

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So that desp doesn't get a full orb when he arrives.

So what would happen to your fragment in that scenario

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It's not time for a mass claim.

Desperado, what was your neighborhood flavor? Though I'm not sure it matters so much

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I think mass claiming and getting everything out in the open is optimal right now.

Trust me, it's not.

UNVOTE: Staeg

But I'm willing to reconsider this vote

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I don't see how you could disagree. Just about everyone has claimed at least partial role information. Keeping things in the dark favors scum.

Your reach exceeds your grasp

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I don't want to out any protective roles info. It's not beneficial.

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Whatever, we can do it

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But we're doing it orderly like

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interested in knowing how a pt came about desperado and mollie

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It's fine, nahdia.

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or, you know, "connections" just accounts for all of that

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Redirector + Time Manipulator sounds powerful as fuck.

Two scum isn't crazy.

And who's the second scum in that case

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So like I said, how about we

fucking claim everything because right now, everyone is pocketing their own information and it is obfuscating the actual literal game thread.

What's the order, wiseguy? because I wasn't planning on going first.

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You guys already know about all my orb stuff; I gave it to kagami at the start, got another from infinity, and gave that to kagami as well

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BECAUSE THERE ARE PROTECTIVE ROLES.

Listen; it's fine. I was told it was fine.

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Every role I've seen has had 2 parts to it; does staeg only do 1, longly explained thing?

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Just for post game bragging rights/my thoughts: i think it was camntsuki that interfered with the orb

I'm going to vouch (?) for Kagami here and say he's probably town and that it's unfortunate for her that the orb fragment never reached it's destination

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It looks like I've been misled

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Nahdia you should have waited in line. Now I want to change the order up.

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And I also feel like I've been misled so if you're just hypoing, how about you just not?

No, I'm not "hypoing"

I'll talk about it later, it might influence my reads.

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Dunn I don't think that was aimed at you

But I'm the one who said it

LOL WHY IN THE FUCK ARE WE MASSCLAIMING SHUT THIS SHIT DOWN

CONSIDER THIS A DECLARATION THAT WE'RE CLAIMING SHIT TODAY

No, I've already learned something important. I will lynch you so fast for obstructing this, I don't townread you guys

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get in ur hydra bro

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and staeg you said my role was scummy and i wld like you to explain how.

Let's wait on that??/

Though I'd like to claim LAST

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Nahdia- despite that...can I ask for your flavor?

I'm a Fakir, a Turtle Mystic.

Your claim was really interesting for me, if you didn't already know that

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this actually might be true...but I don't think so.

Your claim would be pretty interesting to know


I've still got spyrex saying "I might have killed sad" on my mind, too

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Wait, now you want to lynch staeg instead of completing the mass claim? Or am I misunderstanding

We're finishing it now

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I know desperado is town because it looks like scum tried to kill him twice. That or drealmerz blocked a kill (who did he even target)

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I gave her two total this game

The one I started with (fire) and the one I got from Infinity (Air)

And Kagami started with Earth


Who started with water?

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and where has water moved around

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nacho started with water

Hey guys, remember when I said Nacho was hunting people who had orbs?

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Anyways, nacho is scum on his own rights but with the orb knowledge you'll see that he has more info than he's letting on.

Here's his reads:

who are the 3 you want lynched again

Drrream/Nahdia/Dunn.

Innocent enough at first glance, albeit bad. But they're not. He's been leading lynches on people he believed to hold fragments.

Here's the proof for each:

Drealmerz:

Spoiler:

we must combine our minds to see True

Obvious soft about combining true

Dunnstral:

Spoiler:

I bet drealmerz thinks he's witty, clever, and secretive


But you're not. The rest of us know

exactly

what you're talking about. You know what you must do. As do I.

Such is the price we pay for power

I thought it was obvious enough but I'm not sure if Kagami would have caught on. I wanted drealmerz to give his fragment away

Nahdia:

Spoiler:

In conclusion:

Suck. My. Dick. RedCoyote.

Why did you vote me nahdia?

Why not? I reviewed all the slots and decided I wanted to vote you. But fear not. For now the coyote has shown its true colors. Or, true color; red. Red like the pen of an high school teacher grading the algebra test of a soon-to-be drop out. Because he's wrong. Or maybe it's the red of mafia. That's also possible.

basically here Nahdia says "true" twice then repeats red a bunch. Considering the elements associated with the fragments, it's not unreasonable for someone in nacho's position to assume nahdia was softing the fragment of fire. But I'm the one who had it, so I know this is just a coincidence instead of an actual soft. What's important is, Nacho was actively seeking this.

Really interested in seeing what Nacho says. Wondering what his motive could be. I'm not willing to believe it's all a coincidence.

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I didn't notice drealmer's crumb, nor your crumb, nor Nahdia's.

That's a lot of stuff to have not have noticed, having info yourself, and Drealmerz' being pretty blatant

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there isn't one, actually, I just remembered

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Fate I don't have a vote

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Why are we pushing for hammer having only gotten nahdia to claim, and before I can say anything

And you were pushing for the mass claim earlier, too

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Kagami is pretty strong town for me and I'm not going to let her get lynched.

It looks like this mass claim died out and I guess I don't have a problem anymore, but if I did I'm sure Kagami could figure it out if she tried hard enough


I think I'm up for lynching papa zito...

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He ended with one, on day 2. I don't know that we can assume where it started; either scum started with it (and had it on infinity for ??? reasons), or SAD had it and infinity made the kill

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I assume it would go to the next person? That would be the non-retarded way to resolve it? I haven't asked, though. Because I don't have a fragment. And because Fate's not a clown.

It goes to a random person.

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Did katsuki forget he was in a hydra

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zito
PM
desp
dunn

THEN maybe staeg

You serious?

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I have a PT partner who I get along with, and I had one last night (he was even pretty fun as a scum-PT partner in the dance).

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does staeg know when he breaks a connection? He doesn't right?

If not, I don't see how his ability is very useful

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Why aren't you using it like a cop ability

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Why aren't you using it like a cop ability

...???

Assuming scum pt can be severed........

if somebody isn't claimed to be in a neighborhood....

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what

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Assuming scum pt can be severed........

if somebody isn't claimed to be in a neighborhood....

both of my neighborhoods have sprung up overnight without either party having anything to do with it

not having a neighborhood and then being "caught" in a neighborhood =/= scum

You think the neighborizing role is scum?

Otherwise, they're obviously not going to to that to whoever staeg is checking. And if they do, it takes 2 people to be in a neighborhood.

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so what

We can CHOOSE someone to investigate ahead of time

two neighborizors are accounted for

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By the way, my neighboring ability was also classified as a twilight action

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I

really

don't want to lynch kagami. I'll fight you guys over this

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Dunn, how did you know Desp was being protected without knowing it was nahdia who did it?

Scum eavesdropper explains a heck of a lot, so I think we should get to the bottom of where any mystery hoods came from.

Uh, are you saying I'm a scum eavesdropper

Or is that a different thought


I agree with zito in that camn is a pretty good lynch that people aren't talking about

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Yeah I neighborized kagami for the night, it's gone now

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Yeah I neighborized kagami for the night, it's gone now

was it last night?

is hers every other night? it seems like she said that. it seems a little odd but okay.

plz give me a good reason to not lynch dreamz. I don't care if you think he is town or not there needs to be a reason outside of it. I think he is. he has not done 1 town motivated thing in the entire game. not 1.

if you pple need for me to produce links to games where the top 2 wagons at some point were on scum in the game I will show. my point is to let that go and look at the play beyond that.

look at his play.

he isn't helping things. at all.

I neighborized her last night, yes, I don't know the specifics of her ability

eta: @ dunn - if you are not in kagami's hood then it is likely camn or nahdia. there are reasons why neither of those 2 work.

what do you mean




And I'll think on drealmerz, maybe he's just this way as scum too

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Scum eavesdropper explains a heck of a lot, so I think we should get to the bottom of where any mystery hoods came from.

Ah, you're saying that scum could have eavesdropped on the conversation between me and you? (if they targeted me or something) I know they definitely don't have just passive eavesdropping on all hoods

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ok

I'll believe that

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aren't you hammering

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Why is mollie hammering instead of you

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It's better for you to have the potential to assemble the orb right away

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oops I was wrong about kagami

but it looks like I was pretty right on zito


town would have won pretty sure but then we all died from desperado's thing

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And yet camn faked a guilty on town instead

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Also @staeg the completed orb would've done nothing for town, the master would've appeared like in the final scene and disappeared with it

Did it do anything for scum?


Because this sounds really troll

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O, revenge on Dunn and sad, rawr rawr.

You got your revenge on me