Designer Mafia 2007 - Game Over, Final Scene Posted!

ZONEACE · Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:17 am

Ok yes, i know that, so then i have to ask you, why the hell would I claim a neutral role in this situation unless i was in fact neutral. I stand nothing to gain if I'm lying since neutrals are generally hated by the town for some reason. I have agreed to help the town and yet you still rail against me.

ZONEACE · Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:17 am

and yes i realize that last reason is wifom, but seriously, think about it.

ZONEACE · Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:21 am

you've still not fiven a good reason as to why i would claim neutral in this situation. Its not a very good claim if I'm lying.

ZONEACE · Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:43 am

but you admit yourself that if Im scum its not a good claim. I have NOTHING TO GAIN by making this claim if I'm scum.

ZONEACE · Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:52 am

whatever, its clear you're never going to accept that I can help the town and are pretty much doing the scum's job for them i mean, at least make the scum kill me. Cause they can't win with me alive. why waste a lynch on someone the scum need dead in order to win?

No one else has to lose in order for me win. I am a non threat.

ZONEACE · Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:57 am

wtf, make sense please. Ive said I won't go after anyone not okd by the town. meaning if i have a town target and there are still scumm alive I WON'T TRY TO LYNCH THEM.

ZONEACE · Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:59 am

HOW IS IS WINNING ALSO FINISHING SECOND???????????????? seriously have you all gone retarded?

ZONEACE · Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:01 am

armlx wrote:
Ive said I won't go after anyone not okd by the town.
Except the scenario could come up where doing so wins you the game.

Seriously, your promise holds no value with me. As neutral your goal is not to help the town win, only yourself, which very often conflict.

WHAT PART OF I WON'T ATTEMPT TO LYNCH MY TARGET UNLESS IT COINCIDES WITH THE TOWN'S TARGET CAN YOU NOT FULLY COMPREHEND??????? I REVEALED MY TARGET FOR TODAY IN MY FIRST POST OF THE DAY AND INTEND TO DO SO FORM HERE ON OUT. ITS NOT LIKE I'M GONNA BE ABLE TO HIDE THIS GUYS. I AM WILLING TO COOPERATE.

ZONEACE · Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:03 am

Twomz wrote:But if it's 2 scum, 2 town and you, and the scum are both voting for your target (town) who are you going to vote for?

see the post I just made. I intend to make every attempt to win with the town. As you've seen from my play through the game so far I have not played against the town, why should i change that now? you guys are just looking for any reason to make a bad decision today aren't you?

ZONEACE · Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:04 am

what do I gain from lying about my target?????? seriously, wtf is wrong with you guys?

ZONEACE · Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:05 am

if i lie about my target, and he gets lynched I'M SCREWED I die the next day and oh hay, I DON"T WIN.

ZONEACE · Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:10 am

ugh this is so frustrating cause you're so wrong. on a massive level. At the beginning of the day its ALMOST NEVER OBVIOUS WHO THE LIKELY PERSON TO GET LYNCHED IT. especially tomorrow. who the fuck are you all gonna lynch tomorrow, I HAVE NO CLUE, obviously if I'm still alive I would be the most likely target, but i'm never gonna get myself as a target.

ZONEACE · Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:17 am

ugh this is fucking stupid. you are so fucking deluded. LEAVING ME ALIVE IS NOT A BAD CHOICE IN FACT IT IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE. but you are all have enornous hard ons for killing me that clearly i can't stop it, so please fucking lynch me so you can all see just how god damn unintelligent you all are.

ZONEACE · Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:23 am

vote mneme

ZONEACE · Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:30 am

stark wrote:Hey Zoneace,

Assuming you survive until tomorrow, why don't you just pick yourself? That way both parties can be happy.

xoxo

Stark

I DON'T PICK THE TARGET IT IS CHOSEN AT RANDOM AND GIVEN TO MY BY MOS.

ZONEACE · Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:53 am

yay for getting screwwed by a town without the ability to use reason and logic

ZONEACE · Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:01 am

so it seems i made a mistake when reading my role that caused me to claim incorrectly. The town doesn't get to days after i lynch my target, they get 2 days in a row when i die. so yeah even more incintive for you to kill me.

Also, noc, my role indicates that when i win, I leave the town, meaning I LEAVE THE GAME. Thats it, thats all that happens, everything goes on as it is.

ZONEACE · Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:07 am

i was talking about ME GETTING SCREWED.

ZONEACE · Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:13 am

i guess thats what happens when you ARE a lyncher that has to completely change his plan of attack every day and then wehn you finally explain it to the town they decide that despite the large amount of aide you can give them they don't care and would rather lynch you cause god forbid someone win WITH THE TOWN that is neutral.

ZONEACE · Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:14 am

Sir Tornado wrote:OH, THE HORROR!

Simenon wrote: I'm still pushing for a massclaim today.
There isn't much of a mass left... just Mneme, SSF, Armlx, Kison and Stark to go. And, I think we can excuse Kison here if he doesn't want to claim.

and WHY EXACTLY can we excuse kison????

fos sirt

ZONEACE · Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:17 am

A GUARANTEED VOTE IN THEIR FAVOR. but i wouldn't expect you to understand how that could help the town

ZONEACE · Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:22 am

Sir Tornado wrote:OH, THE HORROR!

ZONEACE wrote:and WHY EXACTLY can we excuse kison????
Simenon got an innocent on him.

my point still stands.

ZONEACE · Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:39 pm

in my defense I genuinely believe jdodge to not be scum.

ZONEACE · Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:20 pm

the silent speaker wrote:
in my defense I genuinely believe jdodge to not be scum.
Still?

Nocmen: No, my reasoning is not based solely on voting. Oman was a mass of contradictions, and Fonz is little less scummy himself. But the voting supports me.

Why can't an anti-town role have a multivote?

woops, i fail at past tense.

ZONEACE · Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:26 pm

armlx wrote:I'm with TSS here. I'm 90% sure the scum lies within the group of SSF, mneme, Zoneace, and Fonz, barring cult shenanigans.

Im STILL not scum armlx. so the scum needs to lie within ssf, mneme and fonz. So hey, lets lynch mneme and I can get out of your guy's hair

ZONEACE · Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:32 am

he speaks true

ZONEACE · Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:37 pm

Simenon wrote:So ZONEACE, you became a survivor night one, right? Or was it technically still day?

??????
what?

I don't understand what you mean.

ZONEACE · Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:31 am

Simenon wrote:I think I have an idea as to what role ZONEACE is, and he should be a survivor now.

However, I'm sure plenty of people submitted neutrals, so I'm not sure this is worth saying.

I AM NOT A SURVIVOR. NOTHING ABOUT MY ROLE SWITHCES TO SURVIVOR. I AM THE LOWLIFE LYNCHER. IF I LYNCH MY TARGET THE DAY I GET IT I WIN.

can we please lynch liar mneme now so i can get out of your guys way.

ZONEACE · Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:32 pm

Lynching me is STILL not the move guys (neither is vigging me as we do have an investigator) It would seem to me that mneme made himself sound much more important than he was with the whole I don't wanna full claim thing. Plus the insistence that I'm lying about my role really rubs me the wrong way.

It would seem to me that testing mneme's claim wouldn't be a terrible idea (AND NOT JUST BECAUSE I NEED TO LYNCH HIM TODAY). if he's telling the truth the mafia HAVE TO WASTE a kill on him in order to win and either they do it now and spare us the possibility of losing a decent powerrole or they do it later and possibly take out a powerrole now but leave us with a confirmed non-mafia (cause an unlynchable mafioso would be COMPLETELY unbalanced) Now if mneme is lying about being unlynchable we've gotten rid of a lying scum and gotten my annoying presence in the game taken care of all in one swing.

This would seem to be win/win for the town/me.

ZONEACE · Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:45 pm

UGH WHY ARE YOU BEING STUPID. unlynchable scum would be COMPLETELY UNBALANCED. If the town EVER lost its nightkiller it could not win. there is no way mneme is scum if he's telling the truth.

Testing his role is the right move.

lynching me is now and will forever be the WRONG move.

ZONEACE · Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:46 pm

woops simul'd with arm. my post was dirrected at nocmen obviously.

ZONEACE · Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:59 pm

armlx wrote:
unlynchable scum would be COMPLETELY UNBALANCED.
This.

what about that?

ZONEACE · Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:19 pm

Nocmen wrote:True true. I didn't think of how imbalanced it would be. I could see where it would be a one-shot thing though. But its something we are going to need to do. The problem though, isn't that your target Zoneace?

Yes that's my target and thats exactly why TODAY is the perfect day to test him. If he's lying, 2 birds 1 stone. The town gets rid of a lying scum and the town gets rid of a neutral role that could be forced to turn against them later on all in one lynch. If hes not lying, you've found a confirmed non-scum for the reason I've already pointed out.

ZONEACE · Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:18 am

Nocmen wrote:I have nothing against the mass claim, and there is no way I am lynching mneme today, letting Zoneace get the win, regardless if the game goes on or not.

and thats why you're not very smart and probably deserve to lose, well that and you're choice last night which was absolutely pathetic.

ZONEACE · Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:33 am

oh and because I'm RIGHT. lynching mneme is the right play today.

ZONEACE · Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:26 pm

just out curiosity, cause i can't remember did anyone claim responsibility for Nocmen's role?

ZONEACE · Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:50 pm

thats what I thought, I guess I just submitted a role similar to them cause the more i think about his role the more it sounds like one I submitted

ZONEACE · Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:18 am

THE LYNCH TODAY SHOULD NOT BE ME, STILL.

ZONEACE · Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:04 am

how convenient.

ZONEACE · Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:33 pm

He's telling the truth. He revealed a piece of the role i didn't reveal when i mentioned i submited that role and that was the the fact that if it targeted someone that targeted them on that specific night it dies (that was a flavor bit related to the movie)

ZONEACE · Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:34 pm

well it woul dseem that the only thing that could lead to the night 1 contradiction is a role redirector.

ZONEACE · Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:34 pm

SSF is telling the truth about his role so why would he lie about that? unless you think we have a scum investigative role.

ONCE AGAIN, SSF IS TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT HIS ROLE. HE REVEALED A PIECE OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE ROLE THAT I LEFT EARLIER IN THE DAY WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT SUBMITTING IT. IF HE'S TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT HIS ROLE WHY WOULD HE LIE ABOUT HIS RESULTS. THE LIKLIHOOD OF A SCUM INVESTIGATOR IS NIL SO PLEASE UNVOTE HIM. ANYONE VOTING SSF SHOULD BE SEEN AS SUSPECT.

ZONEACE · Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:43 pm

armlx wrote:
unless you think we have a scum investigative role.

Or you could be scum too.

oy more of these useless, misdirection bullshit.

TOWN PLEASE REALIZE THE CLAIM NONNY MADE REGARDING THE HACKER ROLE COULD EASILY HAVE BEEN A FAKE AND THAT THE USEFULNESS OF A SCUM ROLE WITH SSF'S ABILITY IS APPROACHING ZERO. SSF

IS

DOC BROWN. HE HAD INFORMATION ABOUT THE ROLE THAT HE WOULD ONLY HAVE IF HE WERE ACTUALLY THE ROLE. PLEASE TAKE A MINUTE TO ACTUALLY CONSIDER WHAT USE THAT ROLE WOULD HAVE FOR THE SCUM AND THEN CONSIDER WHO YOU SHOULD ACTUALLY VOTE FOR.

ZONEACE · Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:49 pm

HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU I'M THE LYNCHER THE LOW LIFE FUCKING LYNCHER.

LET ME PROVE IT TO YOU PLEASE WHILE AT THE SAME TIME PROVE MNEME IS LYING.

HOW THE FUCK IS CLAIMING LYNCHER STALLING WHEN MY ROLE IS IMMEDIATELY PROVEBLE, YOU ARE IGNORANT PLAIN AND SIMPLE AND LIKELY SCUM.

ZONEACE · Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:06 pm

ugh ignorant fucking morons, tghen just fucking lynch me if you dont want to win. lynching ssf is wrong. testing mneme is RIGHT. and putting the town in danger of losing just to spite me, is THE DUMBEST FUCKING PLAN ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET.

you deserve to lose if you're willing to let mneme go untested.

ZONEACE · Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:17 pm

no you're trying to figure out the best way to trick the town into losing and killing SSF is just that. I AM NOT SCUM. If you want to prove SSF is not scum then LYNCH ME when i turn up not scum won't that destroy the only thing you have to suspect against him, that I AM SCUM WITH HIM?

seriously why are you trying to lose this game for the town?

and I in NO WAY shape or form acted like this in noXkil I swore like 3 times in NoXKill and only used caps in a few posts so that's not really a good example. if you want to see examples of me acting liek this see Mafia 70 and Match of Champions. I don't scream and yell when i'm scum.

and anyone who doubts my willingness to work with the town will certainly feel stupid when I am proved right about ALL OF THIS and you guys lose because you didn't listen to me.

ZONEACE · Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:58 pm

I AM STILL NOT A FUCKING SURVIVOR YOU NIT WIT DOUCHEBAGS.

Lynch mneme, prove he's lying and get me out of the game all at once. its really not that difficult.

ZONEACE · Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:00 pm

no you'd rather trick the town into losing.

ZONEACE · Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:27 pm

armlx wrote:
We lynch ZONEACE.

wasted lynch. Lynching me does nothing to aid the town

ZONEACE · Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:33 pm

Vigging me does nothing as well. all it does is gurantee you aren't killing a member of the mafia, which should be the goal. But i wouldn't expect you to actually be trying to kill the mafia since you are trying to trick the town into making the wrong decision.

ZONEACE · Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:39 pm

Nocmen wrote:I would rather go and kill someone who is confirmed nontown over someone who I am less certain about if they are scum or town.

Do I go for someone who has say a , 70% chance of being scum (numbers made up)...while you on the other hand, claim TO BE ON A DIFFERENT FACTION THAN THE TOWN. It's still someone that is NOT TOWN.

0%=/=70%

you have 0% chance of killing scum if you kill me.

and No i don't claim to be on a different faction than the town. that is a fabrication, i am INEPENDENT OF ANYONE. i have no faction. My goal is not anti-town. unlike the people trying to trick the town into making a terrible decision, and where are the usual calls for death that surround those who dictate doctor and investigator action.

ZONEACE · Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:43 pm

I'M NOT IN A FACTION I AM AN INDEPENDENT THAT HAS A WIN CONDITION COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT AND UNRELATED TO THE TOWNS AND MEETING MY WIN CONDITION DOES NOT HINDER, PREVENT OR STALL THE TOWN FROM MEETING THEIR WIN CONDITION IN ANYWAY.

As i've said, if you plan on lynching mneme tomorrow anyway (why is lynching mneme tomorrow some how more useful than doing so today?) why not do it today, get rid of both of us then vig starg tonight? You get rid of the 3 people you want to get rid of ALL BEFORE TOMORROW. It would seem that you would rather delay getting rid of the third one and instead of possibly ending the game tonight give the mafia more kills. Why is that? theres only one reason I CAN THINK OF that someone would intentionally try to give the mafia extra kills.

ZONEACE · Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:45 pm

WHAT THE FUCK OTHER WC COULD I HAVE AS A LYNCHER????

ZONEACE · Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:46 pm

you sir ARE SCUM.

ZONEACE · Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:51 pm

wtf is scum with lynched bonus????

and yes i auto win when i lynch my target. surprise surprise, a lyncher lynching his target wins when lynching his target.

and clearly your list doesnt go on. if it did, it would

ZONEACE · Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:57 pm

what the hell is a bookie?

ZONEACE · Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:01 pm

so then you think ssf is mafia as well because I'm the bbokie and i confirmed he was telling the truth about his role? is that the gist of it?

yeah, cause thats fucking stupid.

and your list is still not going on.

ZONEACE · Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:04 pm

I'M NOT TRYING TO SEEM TOWN WE ALREADY KNOW I'M NOT TOWN.

UNlike you however, I AM trying to prevent the town from losing.

ZONEACE · Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:12 pm

your scenario completely ignores the fact that SOMEONE WILL DIE TONIGHT at the hands of the mafia and well. Directing powerroles IS BAD. all the mafia has to do is kill one of the people in your plan and ITS FUCKED. my plan on the other hand is over before the mafia can fuck it up. we lynch mneme today and noc vigs stark tonight, all 3 problems gone before tomorrow before the mafia can fuck it up

BUT YOU SEEM TO NOT WANT TO DEAL WITH ALL 3 PROBLEMS BEFORE TOMORROW, INSTEAD YOU'D LIKE TO GIVE THE MAFIA A CHANCE TO FUCK IT UP.

ZONEACE · Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:26 am

congratulations on giving the game to scum guys. you got hoodwinked, i was willing to work with you, bit no, you'd rather lose just to spite me.

CONGRATS MAFIA you earned it.

ZONEACE · Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:14 pm

I knew I was screwed as soon as I received my role.

ZONEACE · Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:15 pm

I'd just like to point out that i NEVER Strayed from calling the Renn Faire for what it was. Bullshit.

ZONEACE · Sat Sep 20, 2008 9:02 pm

mneme wrote:Zone: sure. But you, like everyone else trying to break the renn faire, were not protown.

So the only people who weren't too stupid to be fooled by it were the people that weren't town?

interesting fact.

ZONEACE · Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:50 pm

Sir Tornado wrote:
ZONEACE wrote: So the only people who weren't too stupid to be fooled by it were the people that weren't town?

interesting fact.
Actually, they weren't not fooled by that. They were just scared like shit by a claim like that not knowing what the role would do to you if it did exist and they signed up for the faire.

The great thing about the faire claim was, that if used early on in the game, it was not all that determinant to the town if it were a scum role, but could do a hell lot of damage to the scum if it were a town role. And it would be useless as a cult role of course.

thats all well and good to say but i wasn't scared by it. i thought it was BS. my reaction would have been the same had i been protown instead of neutral.

ZONEACE · Sun Sep 21, 2008 1:01 am

Sir Tornado wrote:
ZONEACE wrote: thats all well and good to say but i wasn't scared by it. i thought it was BS. my reaction would have been the same had i been protown instead of neutral.
Which was to try to lynch a pro-town player?

My target was random and different everyday. And I had no info about whether they were protown or not.

ZONEACE · Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:32 am

Sir Tornado wrote:
ZONEACE wrote: My target was random and different everyday. And I had no info about whether they were protown or not.
I was referring to Thyroidectomy/Simenon, who you wanted to lynch, and who was obviously pro-town.

REALLY NOW?????

obviously portown? when? When he continued to lie? When he made up shit about his role. WHe he refused to answer questions?

ZONEACE · Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:48 am

I was attacking him cause I thought he was scum. He may have beeb "obviously protown" to you, but he wasn't to me. He was OBVIOUSLY lying to me, and therefore i went after him.

ZONEACE · Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:49 am

At again, I wasn't ANTITOWN, i was neutral. I tried to play the game as town. When i attacked thyroid, i was attacking someone I thought was scum.

ZONEACE · Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:36 am

mneme wrote:
Anyways, you're always antitown, even when you're the doc. (joke, really--though I don't remember ever getting a protown vibe on you, that's mostly my problem).

There's a reason i'm rarely night killed.

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