Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 1:34 pm
I also wouldn't mind a dave lynch, whoever brought it up.
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 1:40 pm
Can we go over why Dave is scummy? I've not gotten that vibe at all. Granted, I've never seen him be scum, either.
Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 1:42 pm
He's passively scumhunting.
Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 1:43 pm
Oh and this.
Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 1:44 pm
In post 1527, Flubbernugget wrote:In post 852, davesaz wrote:The reason I voted PeregrineV is that his post of reads was very comprehensive but mostly really thin. I believe I commented that I didn't see how there could be so many reads with so little information. When I combined that with the aspect that Thor pointed out (Pere seems to be fishing for a 2nd scum team) it pushed Pere firmly into scum territory for me.
I read this as "my vote on PV is shit so maybe sheeping thor will spray enough fabreeze on it for nobody to notice."
Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 2:17 pm
Votecount 1.15
[7]
PeregrineV:
Egg, Thor665, Muffin, Scripten, davesaz, The Fonz, Boonskiies[5]
Thor665:
goodmorning, Nero Cain, flubbernugget, Izariael, TierShift[2]
AxleGreaser:
Garmr, T S O[1]
Aneninen:
WBOCampfire1104[1]
WBOCampire1104:
Grayfoxxxx[1]
Scripten:
PeregrineV[1]
T S O:
AxleGreaser[3]
Not Voting:
Slandaar, hephaestus, AneninenWith 21 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.
Day 1 deadline:
suspendedMod Notes
PeregrineV is V/LA until the 20th.
Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 3:37 pm
@MOD: There are two separate Thor tallies on that VC 
Fixed.
Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 4:10 pm
In post 1875, Izariael wrote:@Thor: Which of your reads in 1022 are strong reads? Are all of them committed?
They are all as committed as I state them to be. This is a weird question that I'm not sure how to answer.
Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:12 pm
In post 1856, AxleGreaser wrote:In post 1851, Garmr wrote:Because Tso is being Tso.
also I am a little intrigued.
When Aneninen said that is just Bonnskies being Boonskies he was referring to a thing that happened.
Your statement seems to be more open ended. (aka: Do you think the whole TSO filter is TSO being TSO?)
Is that an unequivocal town read by you on TSO as, TSO is being TSO?
Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:33 pm
In post 1886, Garmr wrote:@axle oh well the misunderstanding caused me to meta tso which is a positive thing. I did read it but thought a town annenian would back up his reasoning when i said boon is just boon is not an excuse. I felt you held a double standard to something you support and which you don't.
What kind of explanation did you want for "Boonskiies is Boonskiies" in that moment? He hardly posted anything. Should I have linked the game we were link? If so, I could still do it.
@Izariael: so you think PeregrineV is a mislynch. Why do you think that Thor is scum because pushing his wagon? Wouldn't it possible that Thor simply misreads someone?
In post 1902, Flubbernugget wrote:He's passively scumhunting.
Can you define that concept for me?
Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:49 pm
In post 1909, Aneninen wrote:In post 1886, Garmr wrote:@axle oh well the misunderstanding caused me to meta tso which is a positive thing. I did read it but thought a town annenian would back up his reasoning when i said boon is just boon is not an excuse. I felt you held a double standard to something you support and which you don't.
What kind of explanation did you want for "Boonskiies is Boonskiies" in that moment? He hardly posted anything. Should I have linked the game we were link? If so, I could still do it.
In post 1902, Flubbernugget wrote:He's passively scumhunting.
Can you define that concept for me?
A example of town boon skies being conscious of his plays in a past game would of been nice.
Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:58 pm
Aneninen, what exactly are your reads right now?
Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:58 pm
I'm rather disappointed that the Axle wagon hasn't taken off, but my credibility is dead in the water, so yeah.
Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:08 pm
In post 1912, T S O wrote:I'm rather disappointed that the Axle wagon hasn't taken off, but mycredibility is dead in the water, so yeah.
let me help you, with addressing that problem
In post 1887, T S O wrote:In post 1882, Slandaar wrote:TSO can you actually post in one place why you think/thought Aneninen is scum please?
Yeah, yeah, I'm doing it.
nearly half the game ago...
In post 1098, Thor665 wrote:Kind of odd to say seeing as how I haven't said that.
His case is, basically, that you are making flapping arm motions to make your raised issues seem more important than they are,and when questioned on them you get dodgy and don't give clear answers.
I saw it as quite true in, for example, your raised "issue" with the Anemian opening vote andhow youchosetocreativelyinterpret Axle's question to you.
He has been very clear about stating this - why have you failed to even think he has?
Whether or not you agree with his case on you, he has certainly presented it.
Are you reading his posts?
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:06 am
In post 1909, Aneninen wrote:Can you define that concept for me?
He's barely interacting with anyone. He's just posting enough passive analysis to fly under the radar.
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:26 am
@everyone else (probably totally ignorable, (by you) )
@Flubbernugget a question
@Flubbernugget a question
Spoiler: personal interest atm
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:38 am
Poking boonskies. Lol.
Where was he talking to (not at) GM? What percentage of his play entail?
I would say your analysis is more active that most players (even if it is tunneling bullshit). I haven't really tried to parse his posting but I also get the impression that Garmr is actively scumhunting and having actual conversations with people.
What do you think of dave's current vote?
Where was he talking to (not at) GM? What percentage of his play entail?
I would say your analysis is more active that most players (even if it is tunneling bullshit). I haven't really tried to parse his posting but I also get the impression that Garmr is actively scumhunting and having actual conversations with people.
What do you think of dave's current vote?
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 2:12 am
I think Thor and PV are both town.
Lets lynch someone else.
VOTE: GoodMorning
GM is good as scum so she hasn't made any huge mistakes or slips and this makes it hard to make an argument against her but her tone doesn't feel right and she never seems to have much point to what she says.![:]](./images/smilies/icon_smiling.png "Cheerful Smile")
But seriously; The way she acted during Csareo's time was incredibly scummy. She asked him multitudes of questions and argued lots of what he said because
Now here is a more physical point;
She implies scummy. While never voting him.
GM thinks rolefishing is scummy, now think about this response;
GM is scum. She is thinking on different levels when it suits her.
The End.
Lets lynch someone else.
VOTE: GoodMorning
GM is good as scum so she hasn't made any huge mistakes or slips and this makes it hard to make an argument against her but her tone doesn't feel right and she never seems to have much point to what she says.
But seriously; The way she acted during Csareo's time was incredibly scummy. She asked him multitudes of questions and argued lots of what he said because
it was easy
. It looks good when you argue with someone like Csareo because you will always win and thus come out looking good but at the same time she wasn't pushing the wagon or really doing anything with the questions she asked or points she disputed. You can see this later where she never again questions anyone to such an extent, take Thor she never questions him.Now here is a more physical point;
In post 34, goodmorning wrote:
Does Town need to know whether a claimed Reviver can self-Revive? No.
Does Scum? Yes.
Does that make my dislike of your question clearer?
She implies scummy. While never voting him.
GM thinks rolefishing is scummy, now think about this response;
In post 1802, goodmorning wrote:It's terribly transparent,trying to lynch a PR.trying to rolefish.Your answer is too simple- it doesn't take consequences into account.
GM is scum. She is thinking on different levels when it suits her.
The End.
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 2:57 am
In post 1917, Slandaar wrote:It looks good when you argue with someone like Csareo because you will always win and thus come out looking good but at the same time she wasn't pushing the wagon or really doing anything with the questions she asked or points she disputed. You can see this later where she never again questions anyone to such an extent,
This is something I'd very much like to hear goodmorning address.
@Garmr
@TSO
There are limited players available to snag for a wagon since this game is a total lurkfest.
Could each of you tell me - in a sentence or two - why you do not support the Pere wagon (and, to stave off 20 questions, if your answer is 'I think Pere is town' my immediate followup question will be 'why do you think this?' so feel free to skip to that answer to speed things along).
@Goodmorning - as long as we're discussing things, I would like to see you analyze the Thor wagon as it currently exists and express your thoughts on its current movement and what you think about it.
Also, I'm off v/la, so I'm planning to push the Pere wagon to L-1. You're all welcome.
Seriously guys, the wagon action in this game is embarrassing - what is up with you all? Surely I'm not the only one who thinks this is bad and weird, right?
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:00 am
@Axle - oh, and as far as the compare contrast thing. If you're using weak examples (as I think you are) and aren't going to show all of them in one fell swoop..what do you think the endgame point of the exercise is? I'll still do it on TSO, but I want you to state that you have a goal and maybe even clue me in enough on the goal so I can obligate you to do it once you get the answer. I am too lazy to do busy work for the sake of busy work.
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:37 am
In post 1917, Slandaar wrote:But seriously; The way she acted during Csareo's time was incredibly scummy. She asked him multitudes of questions and argued lots of what he said becauseit was easy. It looks good when you argue with someone like Csareo because you will always win and thus come out looking good but at the same time she wasn't pushing the wagon or really doing anything with the questions she asked or points she disputed.
I don't know if you know this, but I IC a lot of Newbie games. I tend to get in that habit when I see people behaving newbishly in games that are not Newbie games.
I wasn't questioning him to win an argument. I was questioning him to clarify his stance on TSO. I wasn't questioning him to build a case on him. I was questioning him to attempt to read him.
You can see this later where she never again questions anyone to such an extent, take Thor she never questions him.
Nobody else has made a point that someone hasn't asked them to clarify, besides which I hardly ever question people like that. I love when it happens though, it's great for reading people, getting down into their thought processes and watching them tick.
Now here is a more physical point;
In post 34, goodmorning wrote:
Does Town need to know whether a claimed Reviver can self-Revive? No.
Does Scum? Yes.
Does that make my dislike of your question clearer?
She implies scummy. While never voting him.
GM thinks rolefishing is scummy, now think about this response;
In post 1802, goodmorning wrote:It's terribly transparent,trying to lynch a PR.trying to rolefish.Your answer is too simple- it doesn't take consequences into account.
GM is scum. She is thinking on different levels when it suits her.
You're kidding me. The rolefishing set is aimed at a single newb newb newb player (who actually tried to rolefish). The second set is thinking of a hypothetical reasonably experienced set of Scum (who are apparently not taking the "lynch Boonskiies" action).
Of course I'm thinking on different levels - one of them is labelled "Inexperience Challenged."
In post 1918, Thor665 wrote:@Goodmorning - as long as we're discussing things, I would like to see you analyze the Thor wagon as it currently exists and express your thoughts on its current movement and what you think about it.
If you're asking me for any kind of VCA... I don't do that. If you're asking me to discuss the stated reasoning for each vote on your wagon and whether that looks kosher then I'll ask you to do the same for the Pere wagon.
Just let me know which it is.
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:49 am
In post 1920, goodmorning wrote:Nobody else has made a point that someone hasn't asked them to clarify, besides which I hardly ever question people like that. I love when it happens though, it's great for reading people, getting down into their thought processes and watching them tick.
So you feel good about how everyone else has answered those questions?
In post 1920, goodmorning wrote:In post 1918, Thor665 wrote:@Goodmorning - as long as we're discussing things, I would like to see you analyze the Thor wagon as it currently exists and express your thoughts on its current movement and what you think about it.
If you're asking me for any kind of VCA... I don't do that. If you're asking me to discuss the stated reasoning for each vote on your wagon and whether that looks kosher then I'll ask you to do the same for the Pere wagon.
Just let me know which it is.
I have already done that for the Pere wagon.
Yes, I'd love to see you do it for mine.
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:10 am
In post 1918, Thor665 wrote:
@TSO
There are limited players available to snag for a wagon since this game is a total lurkfest.
Could each of you tell me - in a sentence or two - why you do not support the Pere wagon (and, to stave off 20 questions, if your answer is 'I think Pere is town' my immediate followup question will be 'why do you think this?' so feel free to skip to that answer to speed things along).
His a town read of mine but to anwsers the follow up questions mind if anwser in three sentences
?He shared a similar thought process earlier in the game with me on reads I said and some reads I didn't. This is how he has behaved in pretty much all the games his been in with me except his not scum reading me for a change lol. Finally I don't like some of the players on the pere wagon.
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:58 am
@Garmr - have you ever played with scum Pere?
Also, what players on his wagon do you dislike and why?
Finally, you say you liked his thought process earlier...do you still like it now?
Also, what players on his wagon do you dislike and why?
Finally, you say you liked his thought process earlier...do you still like it now?
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:09 am
In post 1902, Flubbernugget wrote:He's passively scumhunting.
In post 1904, Flubbernugget wrote:In post 1527, Flubbernugget wrote:In post 852, davesaz wrote:The reason I voted PeregrineV is that his post of reads was very comprehensive but mostly really thin. I believe I commented that I didn't see how there could be so many reads with so little information. When I combined that with the aspect that Thor pointed out (Pere seems to be fishing for a 2nd scum team) it pushed Pere firmly into scum territory for me.
I read this as "my vote on PV is shit so maybe sheeping thor will spray enough fabreeze on it for nobody to notice."
This is how I play. I prefer to read the thread and decide who is scum by what they post. I have enough time to post a few times total per day across all my internet activity, everywhere. Deal with it.