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[ika]

i want a page top

[Bins]

Fucking hell, can't we just get you cop investigated or something? I don't want to lynch the MAYBE doctor.

Soooo you want the cop to out?

Come to think of it, I'm not sure if I'm even going to bother to look back as to who has suggested a play where the cop outs within the next day, but they're all getting scum points if I get around to it.

yes i think the cop should claim once they get a guilty

not an inno

[tn5421]

Cop only reveals to stop wagons on innos until cop has at least 2 guilties, then?

[Flubbernugget]

@ Varsoon what was your read on Team 9 when you wrote 2472

[Bins]

well if a lynch is about to happen and he has an inno then sure ?

[The Bulge]

I think our current plan is:
Cop never full-claims unless he's at L-1 or he gets a guilty and any wagon other than the guilty hits L-1 or a wagon on one of his innos hits L-1. (subject to change)
At Daystart, we all claim a cop result in-thread. This way, if our cop dies, we can ISO hip for all his results.
Doctors protect folks.

This plan is pretty badly flawed. Think of it this way. Scum knows whose reads are incorrect. Every player with an inaccurate result is PoE'd from scum's kill-pool. Even after just one day, scum's options for who might be the cop are limited and they have a much higher chance of nailing him.

[Flubbernugget]

well if a lynch is about to happen and he has an inno then sure ?

Later in the game sure.

[ika]

Fucking hell, can't we just get you cop investigated or something? I don't want to lynch the MAYBE doctor.

Soooo you want the cop to out?

Come to think of it, I'm not sure if I'm even going to bother to look back as to who has suggested a play where the cop outs within the next day, but they're all getting scum points if I get around to it.

yes i think the cop should claim once they get a guilty

not an inno

how it should go (regardless of lynch)
day 2: cop keeps quite and we all claim
(assume 3 scums still)
day 3: if cop has 2 guilties he should announce and we POE
-if cop has 2 innos he keeps quiet
-if cop has guilty and inno, he keeps quiet

after that if cop alive i would be amazed

[ika]

I think our current plan is:
Cop never full-claims unless he's at L-1 or he gets a guilty and any wagon other than the guilty hits L-1 or a wagon on one of his innos hits L-1. (subject to change)
At Daystart, we all claim a cop result in-thread. This way, if our cop dies, we can ISO hip for all his results.
Doctors protect folks.

This plan is pretty badly flawed. Think of it this way. Scum knows whose reads are incorrect. Every player with an inaccurate result is PoE'd from scum's kill-pool. Even after just one day, scum's options for who might be the cop are limited and they have a much higher chance of nailing him.

yes thats the counter to it. but its a price we have to pay to do this

[ika]

yes i kinda said i would be away but this is dicussion i want to give imput on...

anything else im not responding to atm

[Bins]

if cop has 2 guilties he should announce and we POE

?

wouldmt we just lynch the two guilties

[Varsoon]

@ Varsoon what was your read on Team 9 when you wrote 2472

Null-town. I think that's the point where I threw up my hands and decided to just read the slot as town for the sake of hoping it would be so because it'd make the game so much easier.

I think our current plan is:
Cop never full-claims unless he's at L-1 or he gets a guilty and any wagon other than the guilty hits L-1 or a wagon on one of his innos hits L-1. (subject to change)
At Daystart, we all claim a cop result in-thread. This way, if our cop dies, we can ISO hip for all his results.
Doctors protect folks.

This plan is pretty badly flawed. Think of it this way. Scum knows whose reads are incorrect. Every player with an inaccurate result is PoE'd from scum's kill-pool. Even after just one day, scum's options for who might be the cop are limited and they have a much higher chance of nailing him.

I guess so. I'm thinking of ways to further randomize it, like having alternating claims of guilty/inno and the true cop can step in the order whenever they want.

[Bins]

uhm alternating guilty claims will confuse the fuck out of everyone

why are we fakeclaiming guilties??

[The Bulge]

I think our current plan is:
Cop never full-claims unless he's at L-1 or he gets a guilty and any wagon other than the guilty hits L-1 or a wagon on one of his innos hits L-1. (subject to change)
At Daystart, we all claim a cop result in-thread. This way, if our cop dies, we can ISO hip for all his results.
Doctors protect folks.

This plan is pretty badly flawed. Think of it this way. Scum knows whose reads are incorrect. Every player with an inaccurate result is PoE'd from scum's kill-pool. Even after just one day, scum's options for who might be the cop are limited and they have a much higher chance of nailing him.

yes thats the counter to it. but its a price we have to pay to do this

Or we could just not fakeclaim results that could get our cop killed? The plan is too risky.

PEDIT - @Varsoon: if you can think of any modifications like that (probably nothing too random/confusing), definitely share. Because I do like the plan besides that one problem.

[ika]

if cop has 2 guilties he should announce and we POE

?

wouldmt we just lynch the two guilties

obviously....

but i mean in terms of associative and unaligned. we can turbo lynch them but then we will just end up:

A) losing cop firt go around
B) another town voice in second

what i mean is that we have everyone talk first then we turbo lynch

[Varsoon]

For instance, the first person to claim can claim either guilty or inno on any player.
So let's say I was first to claim D2:
I call guilty on Team 9.

Whoever claims after me can claim any target, but then HAS TO claim inno on whoever they claim target.

In this way, the real cop can slip in unnoticed and scum have an extra layer of WIFOM to sort through, because there will inevitably be inno and guilties that are correct.

[The Bulge]

@ Varsoon what was your read on Team 9 when you wrote 2472

Null-town. I think that's the point where I threw up my hands and decided to just read the slot as town for the sake of hoping it would be so because it'd make the game so much easier.

But in 2657 you said they're a hard town read?

[Flubbernugget]

@ Varsoon what was your read on Team 9 when you wrote 2472

I guess so. I'm thinking of ways to further randomize it, like having alternating claims of guilty/inno and the true cop can step in the order whenever they want.

That would out the cop.

[Varsoon]

How would that out the cop, flubber?

Bulge, I was hard-reading them as town at that point, but decided against it. I'm pretty sure the rhetoric put forth by GiF was meant to manipulate me and set me up.

[ika]

How would that out the cop, flubber?

Bulge, I was hard-reading them as town at that point, but decided against it. I'm pretty sure the rhetoric put forth by GiF was meant to manipulate me and set me up.

cop would have to time his post to be in sync as well as hope for it to not overlap

[Bins]

hmm tbh i like it

try to make the claims as believable as you can. like, someone you would investigate if you were the cop, etcetc

pedit - inb4 dave is cop and we're fucked

[ika]

hmm tbh i like it

try to make the claims as believable as you can. like, someone you would investigate if you were the cop, etcetc

pedit - inb4 dave is cop and we're fucked

im almost tempted to buy into that tbh

[ika]

im afird to iso theis game, i started and quickly got reminded why i dont, i start to see the obviousness of a person role

[Bins]

ughh my problem is that what if theres three people with a correct result on scum. the scum just has an easy time picking off the cop.

[Varsoon]

And then we trade a cop at a 1 for 1 town to scum basis.
Which is still a gain for town.