Mafia 65: The Pursuit of New Vinci - Abandoned!

[Occult]

If he were to claim scum, what would you think?

"Mafia just wouldn't claim they are mafia so he must be town!"

Now you're just being completely ridiculous.

ORLY?

[Yosarian2]

While a no-lynch would be about the dumbest possible thing we could do right now, as that would probably just let the bad guys kill 2-3 MORE pro-town players without us getting anwhere, I don't really think it's a major scum-tell that Flyinghawk suggested it; I see newbies make that mistake all the time, including newbie town.

[Occult]

I agree, but I'm interested in the reaction from Jordan.

[JordanA24]

If he were to claim scum, what would you think?

"Mafia just wouldn't claim they are mafia so he must be town!"

Now you're just being completely ridiculous.

ORLY?

YEAHRLY

[Yosarian2]

I agree, but I'm interested in the reaction from Jordan.

There I agree with you..."vote occult for pushing a poor argument" and "scum would NEVER vote no-lynch" are both rather extreme statements that go way too far. I don't think a newbie pushing a no-lynch is a great scum-tell, but it's certanly not a town-tell either, and I could see a newbie scum doing it just as easily as a newbie town.

[Stewie]

This is very, very simple. Jordan's side is wrong because he adds to his argument "no scum in their right mind would vote no lynch day one" which is just plain silly. It's not a common

town

mistake, it's a common

newbie

mistake. That means that voting no lynch on day one is not correlated to whether the person is town or scum, but to how new of a player they are. Therefore, the side going after him is also wrong. I'm going to

vote: theopor_COD

because his side seems as if they are being opportunistic, while Jordan not so much.

Also, FOF: people who make "ORLY" and "YEAHRLY" posts.

[JordanA24]

It's not a common

town

mistake, it's a common

newbie

mistake.

I said that it's a common newbie mistake in the first place

, the reason I think him him to be town is because I would think newbie scum would want to avoid saying something contraversial and just go along with the flow.

[Yosarian2]

But would a newbie scum know he was saying something contraversial? If he knew it was a bad play, he probably wouldn't have done it as town, and if he didn't know it's considered a bad play, I don't see how he would know he was saying something contraversial as scum so early in the game.

[JordanA24]

But would a newbie scum know he was saying something contraversial?

I'd imagine he'd taken from the first few posts that people random vote at the start of a game.

If he knew it was a bad play, he probably wouldn't have done it as town

If I knew it was bad play, I wouldn't have done it town or scum.

[Occult]

Also, FOF: people who make "ORLY" and "YEAHRLY" posts.

ORLY?

[Guiness13]

Well, things are certainly off to an interesting start. First off, I'm going to

Unvote

as Occult has an actual vote on him. Granted, two votes isn't much this early in, but I'd still rather not have a random vote on someone who's getting serious votes.

Next, this whole thing with JordanA24. The argument that Flyinghawk is newbie town because newbie scum wouldn't want to cause controversy

is

WIFOM, especially because the response to that would be that if scum knew that they could use it to their advantage. Then it proceeds to go in circles from there, which is what's been going on. (Not with the same counter-argument, but the argument isn't going anywhere.) I'm not sure just how to gague your reaction, though. It's a little suspicious to jump to someone's defense so rabidly so early on, but any argument I can think of for you being definately town or definately scum reeks of WIFOM itself. The reason is, it's too early to tell. Everyone's just starting to talk, and to be so sure of someone this early isn't a good idea. (As a matter of fact, it's a good reason to be suspicious of you.)

Right now I think we should pay more attention to the votes that piled quickly onto Flyinghawk. While Jordan is acting fishy with his seeming certainty that it's a newbie town mistake, piling onto someone over a mistake, (one they corrected when pointed out), is more suspicious to me.

[Yamahako]

No Lynch is a good scum tactic- you don't have to commit to being on the lynch of townies.

No Lynch isn't a good scum tactic, because people who vote for no lynch are likely scum.

That's the WIFOM. This only really applies to older players though, newer players think No Lynch is good because it prevents a townies death - not understanding that townies are going to die at night regardless, and our only way to kill scum is through a lynch (usually).

That being said, I think there's some people who no better in on this argument.. and that's a bit fishy to me.

[Kison]

Yamahako just said it how it is. As a result, he has earned my

Unvote

.

I'll read more thoroughly later to see which side of the debate wreaks of scum.

[Stewie]

It's not a common

town

mistake, it's a common

newbie

mistake.

I said that it's a common newbie mistake in the first place

, the reason I think him him to be town is because I would think newbie scum would want to avoid saying something contraversial and just go along with the flow.

You did say that, and you were right. The fallacy comes when you think that he's newbie

town

. Newbie scum would also not want to say something controversial, and go along with the flow, so I don't see how your argument works.

Occult: Ye

s

, r

eal

ly.

[YogurtBandit]

It's not a common

town

mistake, it's a common

newbie

mistake.

I said that it's a common newbie mistake in the first place

, the reason I think him him to be town is because I would think newbie scum would want to avoid saying something contraversial and just go along with the flow.

You did say that, and you were right. The fallacy comes when you think that he's newbie

town

. Newbie scum would also not want to say something controversial, and go along with the flow, so I don't see how your argument works.

Occult: Ye

s

, r

eal

ly.

Seal??

[JordanA24]

It's not a common

town

mistake, it's a common

newbie

mistake.

I said that it's a common newbie mistake in the first place

, the reason I think him him to be town is because I would think newbie scum would want to avoid saying something contraversial and just go along with the flow.

You did say that, and you were right. The fallacy comes when you think that he's newbie

town

. Newbie scum would also not want to say something controversial, and go along with the flow, so I don't see how your argument works.

Occult: Ye

s

, r

eal

ly.

You misread, I said that newbie scum wouldn't want to say something contraversial originally.

[Yosarian2]

Right, Jordon, but that's the point. Newbie scum probably wouldn't want to do something contraversial; newbie town definatly wouldn't want to do something bad for the town. Which means that NO ONE would vote no-lynch unless they didn't know that it was contraversial and bad for the town. So if he didn't know, then it dosn't prove he's scum and it dosn't prove he's town.

[JordanA24]

Right, Jordon, but that's the point. Newbie scum probably wouldn't want to do something contraversial; newbie town definatly wouldn't want to do something bad for the town. Which means that NO ONE would vote no-lynch unless they didn't know that it was contraversial and bad for the town. So if he didn't know, then it dosn't prove he's scum and it dosn't prove he's town.

Very good point that, I still have a gut feeling that Flying is town, but, I can't argue against that.

[NanookTheWolf]

Is the No lynch argument over now .. ?

This is starting to become such a burden in the games that I play (Discussing meta game mechanics and what not) ..

I don't really know what to add to the discussion as I usually just play the game as it's thrown at me, but however I'm not a huge fan of continuing with meta game thoughts and ideas.

Unvote: Theopor_COD

[JordanA24]

Is the No lynch argument over now .. ?

Unvote: Theopor_COD

Hope so, I prefer scum hunting.

[theopor_COD]

unvote

Fair to say I was alarmed with FlyingHawk's no-lynch post, but thats all, I've seen newbie scum and newbie town do it, so in essence it's not damning.

[Black-Moon]

And lets be honest, if that debate hadn't happened nothing much would have come from the wagon on FlyingHawk anyway. Not this early.

[YogurtBandit]

Unvote:FlyingHawk

I was more surprised on how pepole reacted to the whole No lynch deal...

[theopor_COD]

It's

obvious

that the stabbing is the SK's work.

How so?

[JordanA24]

It's

obvious

that the stabbing is the SK's work.

How so?

The rest are shootings, I'd presume the mod would give the SK a different kill method to the Mafia, so the stabbings are almost certainly the SK kills.