along with ces
kilm is echoing fonz, and not giving a whole lot of content.
ces just isn't giving content
id like to see pressure on them, and the one with the most votes presently is kilm
so,
Where there's smoke, there's fire.OTM wrote:I read through this game already, knowing I was going to be replacing into it. I decided I was most suspicious of thorgot and kilmenator.
Flamboyant is not an adjective often used to describe me...I'll take it as a complimentNanookTheWolf wrote:The only other person really sticking out to me is Gorckat ..
I've found his play in this game to be flamboyant when voting for one. He had a sudden change of heart when Kilmenator had 4 votes and seemed to take advantage of throwing on the 5th. Originally he had voted Kilmenator, retracted his vote and placed it on Thorgot aka Off the mark, based on what? .. Joke logic?
Now goofyOff the Mark wrote:I do agree with him somewhat about Gorckat, though... a couple of his posts seemed "off" to me too, while reading through, but overall I felt his suspicions made sense, if you can ignore the jokes. So I came away thinking, "goofy but pro-town"
Pie_is_good wrote:This is a shameless "Hi, I'm here" post.I'll try and skim over the weekend, then read in depth the weekend after that.
Scum may begin enjoying their last week of the game.
The part that's underlined .. Shameless maybe, but it's really all I got right now.Dasquian wrote:Nanook - what in Pie's post elicited your somewhat defensive reply?
As you may have stated this earlier, it's ok for me to disagree with your point .. You can fos me all you like, however I'm not looking for an ally, just stating the facts from my perspective.Off the Mark wrote:As I explained a little bit earlier, anyone pushing for a role claim from CES seems fishy to me at this point.
I find this statement contradictory to the next ..gorckat wrote:I'm in favor of not lynching CES. I think we learn more having a 'known unknown' than not having it. Rather than do the mafia's job for them, I say let them kill the doc and let's turn our attention towards the other 10 unknowns (12 minus CES and my/yourself). If he's around tomorrow we can deal with him.
I looked through all of gorckat's posts and honestly nothing really sticks out as necessarily being scummy on his part. The quotes above are just to show an example of why I call Gorckat flamboyant.gorckat wrote:vote:CES
One, to get some discussion (hopefully). Two, for ducking and running with an itty-bitty post that adds little, if anything.
and then, anyone who hammers is almost certainly scum, Dodgy should have known that at least.Sweenytood wrote:I have to agree with Dodgy on this one, while promoting discussion at this point is what we need to do, liberal use of the FOS would be my preference to willy-nilly bandwagonning, especially to put someone halfway to lynch before we have had any kind of discussion at all seems reckless. Though I see him in no danger I am also going to remove my random vote Unvote: Superstring91 until we have more discussion.
If I would have been here when this was made, I would have asked for examples, just for a read.SweenyTodd wrote:Here is what I meant... It is day 1 page 2... I understand we don't have much to go on at the moment but I have seen many times when a careless early bandwagon got out of control and the scum were able to mislynch and cover it up the next day... I have seen this from experienced players and inexperienced players so all I was saying is that we need to moderate the bandwagons and not let them get too big unintentionally
Dodgy, you were on page 3 of this game. Votes are going to be pretty flippant for a while.Dodgy wrote:Iv'e heard some real crap in my time but that has to be some of the best LOL.
Also, the fact that you then voted me just adds to my suspicions about you.
You throw your votes around too easily.
This is often the game play of scum as when it comes to jumping onto a band wagon, they can use the defense that they have flippently voted all game.
No no no, FoS is too loose for most. Votes are usually how it starts out. FoS's are mainly for when you have your vote on someone you don't want to move it to, or that's how I use it.Dodgy wrote:Random voting came in after a few months of the games invention.
It wasn't a planned thing, it just caught on as it was quite dreary just saying Hi.
Once random votes have been placed (which is merely a ritual) then often people unvote and then FOS for a day or two until one or more players get a stronger hunch and vote or scum decide to jump onto someones back. Having said that, any player is free to act as they wish.
This is untrue, unless an actual case springs up, and there is real danger in him being lynched.Pete D wrote:By not unvoting, in effect you are saying that you support the wagon that formed after your random vote. Just because your vote was random when you put it on, doesn't mean that it stays that way; It should be viewed the same as the other contributors to the wagon. Pretending otherwise is sneaky.
Quit trying to use your experience as a tool to convince people of a case. We do have a wiki you know. Plus, Mafiascum isn't the only site that people can play mafia on. Just because you are experienced on this particular site doesn't mean you are exempt from others claims. This was not justifiable.Dodgy wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but you have only been playing for a couple of weeks and being privy to all members lists and their IP addresses, I can see that you havn't been a player before that date under a different name, so I ask again, are you really experienced enough to make such a statement?
<3Dodgy wrote:I'm not rattled at all. I agree that discussion has to take place and this certainly got it going but I think some people are taking my comments rather more seriously than they need to be taken.
@ Dasquian, I'm guessing your voting me because you think I'm scum? Well just for the record, I'm not.
As for my1.That was the lamest defense ever.move to discredit The Fonz's provenance as a mafia player
I was under no circumstances trying to discredit him as a player in any way, just merely asking if his "Classic scumtell" comment could be justified with only a couple of weeks under his belt on this site.
Anyway, I have said my bit and discussion has started. Keep your votes on me if you like but I will have the last laugh.
2.Way to backpedal, you were clearly challenging him on that point with your experience, along with your comments about if he played on another site, and you were sure on who was who.
That's pretty much the essence of mafia..... looking for tells, and you forget when some claims town, it's either because their town... or scum! LAWL!Dodgy wrote:Quit it with your Scumtells and just play the game mate!
Youre forgetting one other reason why someone claims Town, because they are Town! LOL
Mischaracterization. You've made them out to be three people who are attacking you for no reason and are doing it irrationally, but you don't even mention the possibility that one or two of them are scum. Or that they don't even know you're town (which I doubt at this point) because SK's are common in mini regulars.Dodgy wrote:There is a VERY good chance that we have 3 Scum in this game and my guess is that you've all be outed in day 1.
I think the 3 scum are The Fonz, Dasquian and superstring91.
All 3 of you know that I'm not scum and thats why you are all going in for the kill and to get people onside.
If however you do manage this, please town, remember the mob!
As for your scumtells The Fonz, I hope for your sake you are scum because if by small chance that youre not, youre very bad at reading this game.
Not only that, he never even addresses their concerns, he's just attacking them in an OMGUS way.
Hmmmm, didn't you just make a post that said "When someone claims they are town, that means they are town?"Dodgy wrote:Thats very true most of the time Southpaw but when everyone starts to presume such a thing is when the dinamics of the game can change and scum can do the most obvious things and people just say, nah, thats far too obvious.
Thats the fun of the game, you never know who is telling the truth or not, not for sure anyway.
Why? I have said this before, and I'll say it again.SS wrote:i have to agree. i dont think pointing out scumtells is a great idea right now keep those ideas to yourself, and maybe analyze them later.
Mafia is a game of an informed minority versus an uninformed majority. A faction wins when they become the informed majority. Town's object is to become informed (find scum), scum's object is to become the majority (kill town).
So, unless you have power role information, if you are town you should not with hold any information, as that furthers the town's objective of becoming informed.
About Classic Scum tells. Whenever you use them, they should be explained I believe. The only reason you should ever hold it against someone is if they just say it, and stick a vote on someone. (I personally spot appeal to emotion alot and point it out)
I like Kilem's post 82
I'm not sure of Eletriar's post 94, Panicky is viewed as scummy usually, not to mention how he tried to throw his weight of experience around.
Why point out breadcrumbs so early? Not to mention, Fonz's arguments were not irrational, and breadcrumbs really do mean NOTHING, especially if you point them out in the early game.Dodgy wrote:Hi people, sorry for not posting but I've just gotten out of Hospital.
To The Fonz, I think I have answered your questions fully.
I claimed myself town and I agree with whoever said, its an insignificant thing to do (or words to that effect) but I also laid a few hints in with my posts. Its a shame that I need to point this out again, as its really not good for the town to do so but it all helps in the learning for newish players.
Anyway, I've read the thread and I'm still a little concerned at the players that hav'nt posted much.
Hopefully will be able to post Tomorrow.
Dodgy, no one forced you to claim. You're mischaracterizing the Fonz's intentions. Like i said, Breadcrumbs mean nothing, and the only obvious hints that you layed down were scummy enough to be voted for. You were the only one who proclaimed extreme mafia experience I believe......Dodgy wrote:P.S To The Fonz, go back and read my posts, if you're not scum and you know how to read into this game like you claim to, with all your "scumtell expretise" LOL, then get off my ***king back!
If youre Town, you need a good kick up the arse for pushing me into what amounts to a role claim.
If you really were as ofait with this game as you like to portrait, as town, you would have picked up on all the "so" obvious hints I have given and packed up your crap.
I can only conclude that you are either bullshitting about your Knowledge/experience of this game or you are Mafia
Therefor...
Vote: The Fonz
Instead of attacking the Fonz, why didn't you answer his arguments? It was pointless to even play if you're not going to listen and actually play the games...Dodgy wrote:I've so FUCKING had enough of inexperienced players that talk fucking shit and try to pretend to everyone, that they know how to play this game with insight, ie The Fonz.You pointlessly claim, and then complain because you came under some heat from a player with rational arguments?Dodgy wrote:I only joined this game because my fellow creators/friends, Jeep, mathcam and MEMe convinced me to.
I thougfht this was a mini with no theme, not a newbie with a certain pereson that talks bollocks!
I quit and I can because I set this fucking site up, co-wrote the "Wikki" that people keep refering to and thought that I would be in a game with players that had the intelligence to read between the lines.
Here goes peeps....
I am/was The Doctor
I hate to say it, but Dodgy is a MORON. Seriously, he got mad over a RATIONAL case, and just tried to flaunt his experience instead of actually using it.Dodgy wrote:Now listen up, yes I've given up and its its really not good for the town but I thought, being in a mini game,which by the way, was my origional concept, that the far majority of players would have experience.
Town listen...... either The Fonz is full of shit or he is Mafia! My guess, he's both.
Have fun and next time you see me in a game, make sure you know how to fucking play the thing!
I'm not refereing to the majority of players in this game but just to those that claim to have knowledge yet refer to "my Wikki" which I sat down and wrote all those years back, for back up.
The Wikki was never set up to be a bench mark for quotation, just a point of reference for people to use as they joined the game as a new player.
Last post.
I see how Eletriar tried to get the game started back in post 122Now this warrants anFonz wrote:There has to be a serious motion to lynch CES, though. LynchAllLiars. I don't know about anyone else, but I would like to see CES genuinely claim here.
FoSI think. If that's not CES's real claim, you don't push for the real one from a replacement.
Lynch All Liars has it's place. This is not one of them.
I think this was more Fonz following a meta he's heard instead of a scummy action trying to out a power role.
Dodgy probably claimed Doc, so his role would get killed on night 1 so his actual role would be taken out of the game.
FoS:SweenyI think.
Dasquian is protown IMO
I'm not sure of The Fonz's obstinance on the point of CES.....
Actually, LAL was probably created to make telling the truth a protown action and lying an antitown action. That way, telling the truth is encouraged, and town becomes the informed majority (win condition) quicker.Fonz wrote:But the only situation in which that seems to have us coming out ahead is if Dodgy/CES was a townie, lying about being a doctor, which is the precise situation for which LAL was created.I disagree. Dodgy could have claimed doc for a number of reasons (Mad scum trying to clear his replacement, bitter town trying to get killed, SK with a safe claim to go ahead and use before he leaves)Dasquian wrote:You know what? Neither do I. It's supposed to have been a trivial bit of flippancy, but I was wrong to assume that dead doctor == scum Dodgy/CES. As I've been saying, Dodgy could have been pro-town and lied about being the doctor. So I retract that. However, I would not like to be in CES' shoes tomorrow if someone else dies overnight and is the doctor.
I agree with Pete that Superstring looked a little opportunistic in post 207.
FoS:Kilemwho was clearly watching the game, but didn't post at all. She immediately responded when Pete brought it up.
FoS:Gorkfor his post 271.Shea wrote:I'm really tempted to edit that last post to take out the "off"
1) Lurking: Had a week w/o access at work and too much going on at home to post, which was during the Dodgy drama. Also had several days out of town early-mid May.Pie_is_good wrote:Gorckat
Lurked through most of the beginning of the game. Unlike dom's posts, Gorc's posts seem to be deliberately agreeing with the crowd - nobody can look back on the general wave of arguments being made and single Gorckat out to be accused of anything. Which is scummy.
He then turns around and votehops like CRAZY (votes for 4 different people, three of them twice, in the span of 13 posts). Echoes the crowd when asked for reasoning (plus some crap reasoning of his own - generating discussion this late in day 1? C'mon). He then accuses Thorgot of lurking, after doing it himself for the first half of the game. Has crappy reasons for not voting CES ("What if he was town?"). In a particularly hypocritical post, he goes from playing the n00b card to saying he's learned from experience that votehopping is effective. Glorckat has twirked my scumdar quite a bit as well.