Mini 424 - Game Over

[MeMe]

I'm a little confused by that phrasing, Nocmen. You don't like hand banana for pointing it out? Or you don't like spectrumvoid based on what hand banana said?

[Nocmen]

I don't like the info that hand banana pointed out, which was that SV did survive through the night.
Sorry for the vague description, I wasn't compleltely thinking earlier.
I am satisfied with my vote on SV.

[Javert]

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if she [spectrumvoid] is not scum, and really is a cop, she would not survive the night, unless mafia gets roleblocked (and the big question is do we really have a RB-er, cause this town definitely has way too many power roles, and can guarantee we have a faker).
this post kinda sets some red lights in my head.

Riddle me this, hand banana:

If spectrumvoid is town, which do you think scum would kill: the unconfirmed and untrusted claimed Cop, or the

confirmed

and trusted Mason (Nocmen)? Claiming Cop at this junction is perfect for scum specifically because it is highly likely that since yesterday, the Masons would have to die in a 1-2 punch - the more confirmed innocents in the game, the more likely the scum get lynched. In other words, there is a ready-made explanation for why a claimed Cop would continually survive nights, and furthermore, the fact that spectrumvoid claims to have only innocent investigations so far makes it so when (as scum) she finally does claim a guilty investigation, she can make sure she does so a LyLo.

[Elias_the_thief]

Good points Javert. It does seem more likely to me that scum would take out the confirmed players. Spectrums claim still seems questionable to me, but I'll hold off on the vote.

[hand banana]

any guessing of which player gets killed by scum is wifom, and can only confuse us.

i re-read last 8 pages, and decided to vote for acfan..

I didn't block anybody becuase I couldn't make a decision, and the first week of summer prevented me from rereading.

"roleblocker" who doesn't block anyone in a situation of mass role claim, with all power roles outed??
i mean, if he gets away with that, i don't know what to think anymore.
what possible damage could he make??
and if he blocked one of the unclaimed players he could have prevented mafia NK, without ANY risk whatsoever in blocking a possible town power role.

vote: ac1983fan

[Javert]

any guessing of which player gets killed by scum is wifom, and can only confuse us.

You're missing the point. The point is

you

were claiming that if spectrumvoid were town, she would be nightkilled. The point

I

was claiming that if spectrumvoid were town, the better kill would probably be Nocmen, seeing as he is confirmed innocent, and does not have even the slightest chance of being lynched.

There is nothing here which should confuse you.

Now answer my question: Do you think scum would prefer to kill the claimed Cop, or the guaranteed Mason?

[hand banana]

sorry man, english is not my native language, i can get confused.

and your question.. i don't know.
if i was scum, i would kill a cop over mason anytime.
but all this is crap wifom logic.
mafia may let him live if he's the real cop because he is not trusted enough and can get lynched..

what do you think about acfan?

[Javert]

Current thoughts on ac1983fan.

[Javert]

A few more questions.

If

you believe ac1983fan is scum, then

if

you believe spectrumvoid is town, she must

necessarily

be a naive Cop (since the Godfather has already been lynched and yet she has an innocent investigation on ac1983fan). With that caveat, do you think spectrumvoid would be killed at night if ac1983fan were scum?

In fact, even if we don't lynch ac1983fan, if he is scum he already would already

know

that spectrumvoid was naive, and therefore useless for the town.

What are your thoughts about that?

[hand banana]

yes, you are right.. if that's the case: if acfan is scum, and spectrum is naive cop, scum will prob. kill mason. but i don't see the point in this.. why are you making me guess who will get killed by scum?
they too are reading this, and they can only get conclusions about our discussion, and i think this guessing is absolutely usles for the town.

oh and what if they're both scum? i didn't see that scenario in your analysis.

[Javert]

I'm asking you questions because I don't know your alignment, and getting you to talk is a priority at the moment.

Furthermore, in the post I just linked, I talked about the unlikelihood of an ac1983fan/spectrumvoid pairing, and listed a couple reasons for that. But if you're talking about the analysis I just directed at you to answer, if they were both scum then spectrumvoid could not be killed in any case - in which case it would be pointless in asking you who you thought scum would kill.

[ac1983fan]

Generally, I'm person who either makes an informed decision or no decision. N0 I randomly roleblocked because it was before day one, which is random time. N1 I blocked barroman and N2 I made no decision. I'm still keeping my vote on your predesccor on you, and I think I know who i am going to block tonight.

[ac1983fan]

Generally, I'm person who either makes an informed decision or no decision. N0 I randomly roleblocked because it was before day one, which is random time. N1 I blocked barroman and N2 I made no decision. I'm still keeping my vote on your predesccor on you, and I think I know who i am going to block tonight.

[ac1983fan]

woops. sorry

[hand banana]

ok, but why didn't you randomly block anyone that was unclaimed on N2??
you could have prevented mafia NK if you guessed right.

[Elias_the_thief]

Generally, I'm person who either makes an informed decision or no decision. N0 I randomly roleblocked because it was before day one, which is random time. N1 I blocked barroman and N2 I made no decision.

This doesnt make sense to me. You like to make decisions when you have info, yet you randomly blocked n0, blocked on little info n1, and then

didnt

block n2 when you had the most info?

[ac1983fan]

Because from the information to go on, I couldn't decide who was most likely to be scum.

[LyingBrian]

• Vote Count:
  • 2) spectrumvoid
    • MeMe
    • Nocmen
  • 1) ac1983fan
    • hand banana
  • 1) hand banana
    • ac1983fan
  • 3)
    not voting
    • Elias_the_thief
    • Javert
    • spectrumvoid
• Lynch:
  4 votes

[spectrumvoid]

In my previous posts, but all scattered around, I said earlier that

1. I trust Nocmen = mason. Still do.
2. I like Javert. I still do.
3. I used to like Meme. I'm adjusting Meme back down to neutralist levels though. For a current lack of analysis.
4. I have close to no read on elias due to his on-off activity. (I'm not blaming him though, it's just that I can't ask him to weigh in on things when he's not here.)

vote: ac1983fan

I really wanted to do this earlier, but I wanted us to have a full playing roster (and I wasn't sure if the game was going on.)

[LyingBrian]

• Vote Count:
  • 2) ac1983fan
    • hand banana
    • spectrumvoid
  • 2) spectrumvoid
    • MeMe
    • Nocmen
  • 1) hand banana
    • ac1983fan
  • 2)
    not voting
    • Elias_the_thief
    • Javert
• Lynch:
  4 votes
  
• Deadline:
  08/10/07 20:00 GMT

[Javert]

spectrumvoid, when did you go from thinking you were most likely Sane to voting the only live player you claim to have an innocent investigation on?

[ac1983fan]

I'd have 3 letters, but I'm not allowed to use them in this game. I'd think you wouldn't vote for someone you *supposedly* got an innocent on, and is actively trying to prevent your lynch here.

[Javert]

Most notable lines have been highlighted.

Ok. I've thought about this.

I think ac1983fan is pro-town

. Here's my thought process: Assume that if scum were sophisticated enough to false-claim, they were good enough to claim decently. I don't think scum would have claimed to not block last night. They had pretty good odds to work with to false-claim, eliminating the mason and me because of my first post, claiming to block either elias or sweeny or anyone else would have made sense. If whoever he claimed he blocked dies and is town, he could have passed it off saying the other scum did it.

The thing is: I don't see why ac1983fan would have been 'contradicted'. If he was scum, he'd know who to night-kill to not make a contradiction.

But I do recognise this is wifom.

In post 548, on July 18, we were told by LyingBrian that Sweenytodd would be replaced.

Your next post in the game was as follows:

I really really don't have anything to add at the moment.

Which rather implies that your thoughts had not changed since your last posts (where you posit ac1983fan is innocent). We got our replacement on July 25. Now you claim:

vote: ac1983fan

I really wanted to do this earlier

, but I wanted us to have a full playing roster (and I wasn't sure if the game was going on.)

So, I want things absolutely straight:

1.) What day did you start doubting your Sanity?
2.) What day did you "want to do this earlier" (vote ac1983fan, specifically)?
3.) What day did you first think the game might not be going?
4.) What day did you first think we might not have a full playing roster?
5.) Why did you not alert us that you were beginning to change your thought process when you said "I don't have anything to add"?
6.) Who did you plan to vote prior to voting ac1983fan and why?

[hand banana]

unvote, vote: spectrumvoid

L-1
i might be wrong, and i have a bad feeling about both of them, but spectrum joining me like that out of the blue to vote for acfan gave me a really bad vibe from him.
i'm sure that 1 of them is scum.
and now i'm sure that it's ONLY one that is scum. i hope we choose the right one.

[Javert]

I definitely would like a response (and possibly a further inquisition) before anybody thinks to place another vote on spectrumvoid.