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Post Post #575 (ISO) » Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:05 am

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A few more questions.

If
you believe ac1983fan is scum, then
if
you believe spectrumvoid is town, she must
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be a naive Cop (since the Godfather has already been lynched and yet she has an innocent investigation on ac1983fan). With that caveat, do you think spectrumvoid would be killed at night if ac1983fan were scum?

In fact, even if we don't lynch ac1983fan, if he is scum he already would already
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that spectrumvoid was naive, and therefore useless for the town.

What are your thoughts about that?
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Post Post #576 (ISO) » Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:17 am

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yes, you are right.. if that's the case: if acfan is scum, and spectrum is naive cop, scum will prob. kill mason. but i don't see the point in this.. why are you making me guess who will get killed by scum?
they too are reading this, and they can only get conclusions about our discussion, and i think this guessing is absolutely usles for the town.

oh and what if they're both scum? i didn't see that scenario in your analysis.
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Post Post #577 (ISO) » Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:22 am

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I'm asking you questions because I don't know your alignment, and getting you to talk is a priority at the moment.

Furthermore, in the post I just linked, I talked about the unlikelihood of an ac1983fan/spectrumvoid pairing, and listed a couple reasons for that. But if you're talking about the analysis I just directed at you to answer, if they were both scum then spectrumvoid could not be killed in any case - in which case it would be pointless in asking you who you thought scum would kill.
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Post Post #578 (ISO) » Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:31 am

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Generally, I'm person who either makes an informed decision or no decision. N0 I randomly roleblocked because it was before day one, which is random time. N1 I blocked barroman and N2 I made no decision. I'm still keeping my vote on your predesccor on you, and I think I know who i am going to block tonight.
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Post Post #579 (ISO) » Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:39 am

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Generally, I'm person who either makes an informed decision or no decision. N0 I randomly roleblocked because it was before day one, which is random time. N1 I blocked barroman and N2 I made no decision. I'm still keeping my vote on your predesccor on you, and I think I know who i am going to block tonight.
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Post Post #580 (ISO) » Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:39 am

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woops. sorry
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Post Post #581 (ISO) » Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:51 am

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ok, but why didn't you randomly block anyone that was unclaimed on N2??
you could have prevented mafia NK if you guessed right.
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Post Post #582 (ISO) » Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:24 pm

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ac1983fan wrote:Generally, I'm person who either makes an informed decision or no decision. N0 I randomly roleblocked because it was before day one, which is random time. N1 I blocked barroman and N2 I made no decision.
This doesnt make sense to me. You like to make decisions when you have info, yet you randomly blocked n0, blocked on little info n1, and then
didnt
block n2 when you had the most info?
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Post Post #583 (ISO) » Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:24 pm

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Because from the information to go on, I couldn't decide who was most likely to be scum.
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Post Post #584 (ISO) » Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:33 pm

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  • Vote Count:
    • 2) spectrumvoid
      • MeMe
      • Nocmen
    • 1) ac1983fan
      • hand banana
    • 1) hand banana
      • ac1983fan
    • 3)
      not voting
      • Elias_the_thief
      • Javert
      • spectrumvoid
  • Lynch:
    4 votes
Last edited by LyingBrian on Sun Nov 04, 2007 10:45 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Post Post #585 (ISO) » Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:38 am

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In my previous posts, but all scattered around, I said earlier that

1. I trust Nocmen = mason. Still do.
2. I like Javert. I still do.
3. I used to like Meme. I'm adjusting Meme back down to neutralist levels though. For a current lack of analysis.
4. I have close to no read on elias due to his on-off activity. (I'm not blaming him though, it's just that I can't ask him to weigh in on things when he's not here.)

vote: ac1983fan
I really wanted to do this earlier, but I wanted us to have a full playing roster (and I wasn't sure if the game was going on.)
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Post Post #586 (ISO) » Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:37 am

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  • Vote Count:
    • 2) ac1983fan
      • hand banana
      • spectrumvoid
    • 2) spectrumvoid
      • MeMe
      • Nocmen
    • 1) hand banana
      • ac1983fan
    • 2)
      not voting
      • Elias_the_thief
      • Javert
  • Lynch:
    4 votes
  • Deadline:
    08/10/07 20:00 GMT
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Post Post #587 (ISO) » Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:44 am

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spectrumvoid, when did you go from thinking you were most likely Sane to voting the only live player you claim to have an innocent investigation on?
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Post Post #588 (ISO) » Fri Jul 27, 2007 9:34 am

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I'd have 3 letters, but I'm not allowed to use them in this game. I'd think you wouldn't vote for someone you *supposedly* got an innocent on, and is actively trying to prevent your lynch here.
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Post Post #589 (ISO) » Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:14 pm

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Most notable lines have been highlighted.
spectrumvoid, 538, July 9 wrote:Ok. I've thought about this.

I think ac1983fan is pro-town
. Here's my thought process: Assume that if scum were sophisticated enough to false-claim, they were good enough to claim decently. I don't think scum would have claimed to not block last night. They had pretty good odds to work with to false-claim, eliminating the mason and me because of my first post, claiming to block either elias or sweeny or anyone else would have made sense. If whoever he claimed he blocked dies and is town, he could have passed it off saying the other scum did it.
spectrumvoid, 541, July 13 wrote:The thing is: I don't see why ac1983fan would have been 'contradicted'. If he was scum, he'd know who to night-kill to not make a contradiction.

But I do recognise this is wifom.
In post 548, on July 18, we were told by LyingBrian that Sweenytodd would be replaced.

Your next post in the game was as follows:
spectrumvoid, 554, July 23 wrote:
I really really don't have anything to add at the moment.
Which rather implies that your thoughts had not changed since your last posts (where you posit ac1983fan is innocent). We got our replacement on July 25. Now you claim:
spectrumvoid, 590, July 27 wrote:
vote: ac1983fan
I really wanted to do this earlier
, but I wanted us to have a full playing roster (and I wasn't sure if the game was going on.)
So, I want things absolutely straight:

1.) What day did you start doubting your Sanity?
2.) What day did you "want to do this earlier" (vote ac1983fan, specifically)?
3.) What day did you first think the game might not be going?
4.) What day did you first think we might not have a full playing roster?
5.) Why did you not alert us that you were beginning to change your thought process when you said "I don't have anything to add"?
6.) Who did you plan to vote prior to voting ac1983fan and why?
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Post Post #590 (ISO) » Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:55 pm

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unvote, vote: spectrumvoid


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i might be wrong, and i have a bad feeling about both of them, but spectrum joining me like that out of the blue to vote for acfan gave me a really bad vibe from him.
i'm sure that 1 of them is scum.
and now i'm sure that it's ONLY one that is scum. i hope we choose the right one.
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Post Post #591 (ISO) » Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:15 pm

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I definitely would like a response (and possibly a further inquisition) before anybody thinks to place another vote on spectrumvoid.
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Post Post #592 (ISO) » Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:23 pm

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spectrumvoid, responding to games she has claimed Cop wrote:Newbie 313: I replaced in late game, claimed cop, no one believed me.
Open 9: night-killed after I claimed.

If anyone's interested, here're games where I was scum and fake-claimed cop: open 10, open 13, and maybe newbie 300. Most recently was newbie 376.
I have just skimmed the games where you said you fake-claimed Cop as scum.

1.) Open 10 you did
not
claim Cop - you said you believed the claimed Cop [ChannelDelibird], who was in fact the Cop. Did you mean to refer to a different game here?
2.) Open 13 you claimed Cop at LyLo Day Two, with an unspecified innocent investigation very quickly.
3.) Newbie 300 you claimed Cop at LyLo Day Two, with an unspecified innocent investigation very quickly (you later clarified the innocent investigation after counter-claimed).
4.) Newbie 376 you claimed Cop at LyLo Day Two, after a townsperson had already voted incorrectly and you voted that same person claiming a guilty reaction and simply waiting for your partner to hammer.

You seem to have a pattern of trying to be as nonconfrontational as possible when you claim Cop as scum - you claim as fast as possible such that people are either forced to counter-claim you, or you will be the only claimed Cop. You also seem to claim innocent investigations, so that all you do is 'narrow down' your list of people you will lynch instead of directly going against somebody (this way you can have people 'weigh in' without forcing you to stick your foot in any more doors than necessary).

The only time you claimed a guilty was at a time where you could have just placed your vote saying absolutely nothing and wait for your partner to hammer - in other words, you only did it because it was a way to try and 'ensure' that the townsperson voting incorrectly would not unvote - again, being nonconfrontational.

Your play in this game is reminiscent of that - you have only claimed innocent investigations, and not only that, but on as few people as possible (only one of them is alive). The largest difference in play is that you seemed to be more 'playful' in the other games - and you went to great lengths to look 'busy' in the two Newbie games by explaining things. You also had a habit of weakly distancing from your partner in each of those four games (since I am including Open 10 as nugget of your scumplay in general) and then backing off so that you weren't forced into actually lynching them.

Note: could you link me to some games where you were forced to bus your scum-partner? In all three of those games where you claimed Cop, you only distanced and did not bus.

Would you mind describing how you feel your play in this game is different than the examples you cited as scum? I still need to read your games where you were town and Cop, but I figured these games were the priority of the two for reading.
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Post Post #593 (ISO) » Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:55 pm

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My main argument for thinking ac1983fan is pro-town: that if he's smart enough to false-claim, he's smart enough to claim decently.

1.) What day did you start doubting your Sanity?
I've never doubted my sanity, but I've always noted that I could be naive.

2.) What day did you "want to do this earlier" (vote ac1983fan, specifically)?
Sometime after post 539, 541 I realised my argument was wifom.

3.) What day did you first think the game might not be going?
When the mod disappeared.

4.) What day did you first think we might not have a full playing roster?
When the mod posted that he was looking for replacements.

5.) Why did you not alert us that you were beginning to change your thought process when you said "I don't have anything to add"?
Because I wanted to hear from the replacement first. Imagine if I dropped a vote earlier, we get replacements, and a quick-lynch... (This has happened.)

6.) Who did you plan to vote prior to voting ac1983fan and why?
Mainly by process of elimination (refer earlier post), sweenytodd.

Don't have time atm to go metagame myself, I'll do it later.
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Post Post #594 (ISO) » Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:58 pm

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Edit: insert after first line something along the lines of 'But I've since realised ac1983 isn't smart (reference: latest posts.)
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Post Post #595 (ISO) » Fri Jul 27, 2007 9:09 pm

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Please answer my question again with
days
in them. July 13, July 18, July 22, and so forth. I want an exact time-frame.
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Post Post #596 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2007 3:41 am

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*sigh* well, it looks like my plan for the night isn't going to work out...
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Post Post #597 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:37 am

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um....is that hammer? if so that was a little bit fast ac...
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Post Post #598 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2007 6:02 am

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yep...thats the hammer...now to find out the results.
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Post Post #599 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:42 am

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After the mod imposes a deadline, the town decides they really don't need to wait that long... spectrumvoid has claimed Cop, and the town has already lost a Cop... plus, she doesn't even have a guilty result, so how helpful could she be, even if she was telling the truth... it's time to hammer, and hammer quick... the town leads spectrumvoid to the gallows where a pirate's death awaits her...


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    • MeMe
    • Nocmen
  • Status:
    Night 3
  • Deadline:
    TUE 07/31/07 21:00 GMT
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