Mafia 60: Face-to-Face - Game over!

[Adele]

huh? Man, if I

had

just stated a rule, then okay. I have before; I've probably quoted LAL more than anyone else (I appear to be the only person who still truly believes it) and I'm probably a relative newbie here. I don't always have time to write an essay like the opne this post's gonna be, and if I wait 8 hours until I

am

free, I might have another page to deal with (I cannot believe I signed up for another normal; I'm a sucker for punishment).

However, I wasn't stating a rule, but my opinion; that a vote for no lynch is a vote for scum power. Pardon me for being concise about the crux of the issue: no lynching is of greater benefit to the scum than town, since scum have more strength at night and the town has the lynch to balance it out.

This whinging that it was so obvious that scum'd never try it, though? Honestly, it looks WIFOM to me.

You suggested a plan of action which held only potential harm for the town if it was taken up, then backtrack that it never

would

be, and you did it for the reactions. Well, we all reacted negatively toward your scum-friendly plan. Shock horror.

[Adele]

btw, check out IH's post 99. I missed it when I wrote the above.
/agree with IH

[Ether]

Andrew: "No lynch!"
Buncha people: "Endangering the town. Die."
Andrew: "Just kidding."
Buncha people: "Were not."
Andrew: "Well, I wasn't

actually

endangering the town."
Buncha people: "WIFOM."

unvote; vote: IH

. Watching Adele and Mgm; I'm not really focused on IH in particular.

I don't know if I'd believe Andrew if I came in to see his reaction before anyone else posted. I do know that I

really

dislike the responses to him. I thought the original vote was a null tell. Where's the WIFOM? Just what are you people arguing?

Voidie, you've acknowledged this without really touching it: posts 53 and 57. Thoughts?

[Mr Stoofer]

Vote Count

AndrewS: 5 (Thesp, Adele, Glork, IH, CES)
Thesp: 2 (Patrick, Zindaras)
Cogito Ergo Sum: 2 (ChannelDelibird, Mgm)
Glork: 2 (MrBuddyLee, spectrumvoid)
spectrumvoid: 1 (Fritzler)
Adele: 1 (AndrewS)
IH: 1 (Ether )

Not voting: Nightfall

8 to lynch!

[Zindaras]

unvote; vote: IH

. Watching Adele and Mgm; I'm not really focused on IH in particular.

I don't know if I'd believe Andrew if I came in to see his reaction before anyone else posted. I do know that I

really

dislike the responses to him. I thought the original vote was a null tell. Where's the WIFOM? Just what are you people arguing?

Essentially, his defense is "I wouldn't do this as scum, because that'd be stupid."

That's your WIFOM right there.

I've seen more than my fair share of these arguments, and more often than not, lynching people over them hits a townie. I think it is most definitely stupid to lynch Andrew over it, especially at this point in the game.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

But he mentioned no-lynch...

And it'll be fun, Zind.

[Mgm]

I don't get you, Zindaras.
You agree it's WIFOM, yet you don't think it's lynch-worthy.
I've seen a lot of scum, who attempted something just because scum wouldn't do that so they could use that argument. (I even did it myself over in DragonPhoenix Mafia on the GL)

If you're not going to vote someone for WIFOM, then do you have a better idea? The only reason I'm not voting yet is because I don't like fast lynches. But I'm all ready to pile up.

Unvote:Cogito Ergo Sum

[Mgm]

FOS AndrewS

[Patrick]

The way the wagon built up, I'd be more inclined towards thinking Andrew is town. I'm still unsure as to what sort of benefit Andrew would be gaining by suggesting no lynch if he were scum. Can one of his attackers explain this to me please.

[Glork]

Unvote, Vote: CES

[AndrewS]

Unvote, Vote: CES

You don't care about my intentions you keep saying to lynch me, "Because it'll be fun", and you've been avoiding my questions.

[spectrumvoid]

unvote, vote CES

I've never ever seen scum suggest no lynch, especially a non-newbie scum. Also, it's pretty obvious that no one here will support it, since this is an invitational. Like Patrick, I think the people using this as a reason to attack are scum.

[Glork]

Sheesh. This town is so bandwagon.

[Zindaras]

I don't get you, Zindaras.
You agree it's WIFOM, yet you don't think it's lynch-worthy.
I've seen a lot of scum, who attempted something just because scum wouldn't do that so they could use that argument. (I even did it myself over in DragonPhoenix Mafia on the GL)

Yes, but town

also

do it. So it's a null tell, or at most a weak scum tell.

[Zindaras]

EBWOP: The above is important because I don't want to lynch someone Page 5 over a weak scumtell (nor, really, to be honest, past Page 5. I still prefer stronger cases).

[Patrick]

I think the ppl who just shouted Wifom are suspect. Like Ether, there are several ppl I could vote.

[Mgm]

The way the wagon built up, I'd be more inclined towards thinking Andrew is town. I'm still unsure as to what sort of benefit Andrew would be gaining by suggesting no lynch if he were scum. Can one of his attackers explain this to me please.

I don't like the speed of that CES wagon any better.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I've never ever seen scum suggest no lynch, especially a non-newbie scum. Also, it's pretty obvious that no one here will support it, since this is an invitational. Like Patrick, I think the people using this as a reason to attack are scum.

Then why are you voting for me? I'm not attacking him over it.

AndrewS, I answered your question, didn't I? I don't care about your intentions because I don't nearly have enough information to discern between the possibilities. I don't think your post is more than a weak scum tell and it's only a weak scum tell, because I don't see town doing it, personally.

[Adele]

The wifom argument is fallacious, but I don't think use of it is necessarily scummy; I think that it's a fallacy that a lot pf players are easily prone to, and not indicative of scummyness. All it does is invalidate the argument. So, I don't think AndrewS is scum because he used it, but I do distrust him quite a lot (enough for a vote) for what he

did

do and I don't consider his defence good enough to merit an unvote.

[Thesp]

As for what information I gathered, I was hoping to see who was lynch-hungry.

Are you implying that this information was unavailable at the time? :rolleyes:

Thanks for the quote in your sig, though.

I'm still unsure as to what sort of benefit Andrew would be gaining by suggesting no lynch if he were scum. Can one of his attackers explain this to me please.

In my experience, scum tend to suggest "no lynch" more than town do, perhaps because it eliminates an early voting record (sometimes it's hard to go after a non-scum in a game where you're scum), or for who knows what reason. Regardless of justification, it tends to be somethings scum do more frequently (yes, town does it too, but not as often, I believe).

I've never ever seen scum suggest no lynch, especially a non-newbie scum.

Here's at least one example. See ambic, who is experienced, is scum, and suggests no lynch. He gets out of the lynch largely because few think scum would do that. We were wrong.

[Glork]

Guys we should No Lynch.



Just sayin'.

[Adele]

Um, does Glork usually say helpful stuff? Because looking at his posting record, he's changed votes 4 times, Fos'd a bunch, made flip comments, and not really said anything useful. But, I don't know if that's his MO offhand.

[Glork]

Honest answer?

Depends on the game, the players, and how I feel at the time.

[Glork]

EBWODP: But that suggestion of No-Lynch was totally serious, I assure you.

Unvote CES, FOS/IGMEOY: CES
Vote: No Lynch

[Patrick]

If it was serious, then can you explain why you think it would help?