Ultimate Videogame Topic 3: The Next Generation
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In post 3123, Ythan wrote:
I'm not so sure, shotgun is awesome too.In post 3114, Ythan wrote:Chaingun's better than shotgun.
checkmateOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I briefly messed around with Ultimate Doom Builder a while back. Would not recommend unless you want to dedicate a significant amount of time learning not only how the program works, but what makes a good Doom map. And that's just the beginning. If you want to make a playable 32-map WAD, especially with no prior map-making experience, say goodbye to all of your other hobbies and accept that this is going to be your life for the next couple years. I very quickly decided it wasn't worth it. YMMV though.In post 3125, Ythan wrote:I wanna make Doom wads anyone ever done that?
Yes, Warrens is fantastic, and having it come right after Mt. Erebus is nice. Two fantastic maps in a row. Most of the secret missions from the official/licensed IWADs are pretty "meh", but Warrens is one of the rare great ones.In post 3129, Ythan wrote:Doom level e3m9 is very cool.-
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I've recently been teaching myself how to do all the maps from Doom 1 and 2 from pistol starts on Ultra Violence. I can't see myself bothering to learn all of the TNT: Evilution or Plutonia Experiment maps from pistol start. A little more time than I'm willing to invest.
Just went and did Warrens for the hell of it though from scratch. It's an easy enough map to do from a clean start since it has literally every weapon in it (including the BFG) and 2 invulnerability spheres. Up until the Cyberdemon, the only other tipoff that it isn't the exact same map is that they use different music tracks.
As far as I can recall, the secret entrance to Warrens from Mt. Erebus is the only instance of a mandatory rocket jump in the official classic Doom games. There's a pretty sick one in Map 29 of Doom 2 (The Living End) that you'd realistically only see in speedruns, and plenty of strafe-running, but the aforementioned rocket jump is the only mandatory one I can think of.-
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Yeah, Ultimate Doom is basically the defacto version of Doom 1. Thy Flesh Consumed is significantly harder. I've never 100%'ed E4M1 because there's barely any ammo and it requires taking out 4 Barons at the end if you activate the NIN secret. The only health in the map is 9 tiny health bonus potions.
As hard as E4M2 is, it's an easier map to 100%. Episode 4 is interesting but has some problems. There's 2 untaggable secrets in E4M3 and 1 in E4M7 (you can get them with no-clipping turned on though). E4M6 is just a nightmare in general. A lot of Romero's maps go a little overkill on damaging floors.-
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Ways to tell if the map you're playing was designed by John Romero: half the floor is lava or poisonous slime.
If you can do E4M6, you can do any map in Ultimate Doom (the final 2 maps of Episode 4 are two of the easiest in the episode for some reason), and more or less any map in Doom 2. There's going to be a learning curve to Doom 2 though because of some additions that aren't in the first game.
While Doom 1 is a lot of small rooms and corridors for close combat, Doom 2 has a lot of out in the open maps (in the style of Mt. Erebus). This gives you a lot more room to work with, but you're also going to be pelted by a lot more nonsense, face a higher monster count per map, and have a lot of secrets/routes to memorize. Doom 2 is harder than the first game (minus the 4th episode), and in my opinion, the highs are higher and the lows are lower. Most of Doom 1 is pretty consistent. There's very few really bad maps. I'd say 1/3 of the maps in Doom 2 are incredible, 1/3 are good enough/enjoyable, and 1/3 should have been scrapped during the planning stages.-
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It can, but it's not always a good thing. The pistol and the chaingun (and I believe the plasma rifle) will hit with 100% accuracy on the first two rounds fired (as long as your aim isn't way off). After that, holding down the fire button will give you less accurate results. So the proper way to use the chain gun is to fire it in short bursts (just a few bullets at a time). Hold the fire button for a couple shots, release, quickly hold it again, etc.
So in, for example, maps in Doom 2 where there are enemies far away on rooftops, you can take them down with 100% shooting accuracy with stuff like the pistol or chaingun by doing quick bursts instead of just holding down the fire button continuously.
I'm playing through Ultimate Doom tonight start to finish. Somehow missed one item in E1M6 and couldn't find it even after circling the whole map twice, so just moved on. I know it was some miniscule health or armor bonus, but I can't find it. Other than that, I 100%'ed all of Episode 1 so far. On to Episode 2. There's a handful of maps in E2, E3, and E4 where I don't remember how to get all the secrets.-
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I did know that about the pistol but I had no idea it applied to the automatic weapons as well thank you.
And I would bet the item you missed is in that annoying area with the identical rooms with cruciform walkways through nukage. Or maybe one of the health bonuses in the blue room with all the yellow doors.-
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