Mini 293: RE4 Mafia (Over)

[Vyolynce]

I don't think we have a serial killer. Otherwise, you (Doctor) or I (Vigilante) would be dead by now, and there would have been more kills.

Hold on one second...

That observation completely ignores the fact that

you're

the only one being suspected as possible SK.

So the only person who "would be dead now" is me, and NK'ing me after I came forth as doc with no other killing roles out there would have made you look

incredibly

suspicious.

As for your other two reasons:

Post 108 by Vyolynce - "if I were to put an SK in this game, the MO would be chainsaw."

That was a guess based on flavor alone, and is irrelevant.

Post 163 by Sotty7 - "I'm also starting to think that an SK may be out of the question here seeing as we have two groups of bad guys already."

That one is a good argument, but only one of those two groups of bad guys were capable of killing. The Mafia could have killed BMQ just as easily as Lloyd did. Starting with four anti-town (2 mafia, 1 cult, 1 SK) doesn't sound too outrageous, especially with two docs and a cop (not that the cop we had was able to provide any help). The difference between Vig and SK is basically just the win condition, which is only relevant towards the end of the game.

Like now.

[Lloyd]

Vyolence,

How about this plan?

- We lynch AniX today

- Tonight, you protect Sotty7

- Tonight, I try to shoot Sotty7

- Tomorrow, if Sotty7 dies, then we lynch you (leaving Quig and I)

- If Sotty7 survives, I'll be convinced that you're a doctor

- Tomorrow, if Sotty7 lives, then we lynch me (leaving you, Sotty7, and Quig)

- Tomorrow night...Probably nothing will happen (unless one of you can recruit)

- The day after tomorrow, you lynch Sotty7

- At that time...If either you or Quig are cult members, then you deserve the win for claiming doctor so early, and getting away with it

[mikeburnfire]

Day 5 - Vote count, Powered by the Count-Counter 2000

AniX- 2 (Quig, Sotty7)
Lloyd - 1 (Vyolynce)
Not voting: AniX, Lloyd,
3 to lynch.

[Sotty7]

I've had a bad feeling lately that Vyolynce is cult. The way he's suddenly turned on Lloyd after being on his side and the way he brought up testing his doc

after

I suggested lynching down the list of AniX, myself and him. Maybe I'm wrong here and recruited people DO keep their powers because Vyolynce seemed just a little

too

eager to remind everyone he was the doctor. Plus this whole thing of the draw... I don't know, it just doesn't sit right.

Mainly though other games I've read.

Could you provide names and links to the other games that you've read?

I'd like to read them, to find out how those games end.

I don't really remember the games I read and thinking back, it was bad play on my part to mention that. I think one was Muppet show mafia but it was all back when I first joined, so my memory is failing on me.

[Sotty7]

Unvote

for now

[Quig]

We either have a SK (Lloyd) or a random cult who I believe is Sotty, Violence or Anix purely because a cult with a killing abilty would be way too good. If we lynch Lloyd now and continue to lynch random people theres the chance that we will be left with 1 townie and 1 cult which would be a draw. But if we don't lynch Lloyd then if he is SK he could win by killing us all. I trust Lloyd the most then Vyolence so think we should lynch anix or sotty for now then have Lloyd kill the other then we should lynch Lloyd.

[Vyolynce]

Vyolence,

How about this plan?

- We lynch AniX today

- Tonight, you protect Sotty7

- Tonight, I try to shoot Sotty7

- Tomorrow, if Sotty7 dies, then we lynch you (leaving Quig and I)

- If Sotty7 survives, I'll be convinced that you're a doctor

- Tomorrow, if Sotty7 lives, then we lynch me (leaving you, Sotty7, and Quig)

- Tomorrow night...Probably nothing will happen (unless one of you can recruit)

- The day after tomorrow, you lynch Sotty7

Why don't we just eliminate the middle-man? If you're not lynched today, shoot

me

tonight.

I'm either a doc or cult. If you're really a vig and not an SK, then my role is essentially reduced to vanilla so I'm expendible either way. Plus, I'm more suspicious than Sotty, apparently.

[Quig]

Nah, lynch Anix, kill sotty, lynch Llyod then we of already won or its a draw.

[Vyolynce]

Nah, lynch Anix, kill sotty, lynch Llyod then we of already won or its a draw.

Well, the problem there is "kill Sotty". If she dies, then

I'm

the next lynch, not Lloyd.

Plan A ("lynch AniX, test Vyo"): If I'm telling the truth about being doc, then Sotty lives tonight and we lynch Lloyd, leaving Quig and myself to win (or draw* if Quig is somehow cult). If Sotty dies, then I get lynched tomorrow, leaving Quig and Lloyd; if both are town, congratulations, but if Lloyd is SK he wins on his own.

Plan B ("lynch AniX, shoot Vyo"): I come up doc, Lloyd ges lynched and it's the same draw*/win scenario only this time with Sotty and Quig; I come up not-doc, then Sotty, Quig, and Lloyd have to figure out where to go from there if the game isn't over. Lloyd could still be SK, in theory, so lynching someone other than him could be dicey.

Plan C ("lynch Lloyd"): there will be no more night kills. If the game isn't over, then the four of us have to figure out how many cultists we have left -- knowing that Quig is most likely clean -- and lynch accordingly, without the spectre of an SK win hanging in the air. Potential snag in that it would be three to lynch, so having two cult left might cause problems.

Both Plans A and B have the same end result: tomorrow's lynch ends the game one way or the other, unless the game is ended at night as a result of Lloyd's kill. Also, "Sotty" and "AniX" are still interchangeable as far as I'm concerned.

Plan C gives the town two chances to clear out the cult without the possibility of SK win if there's only one cultist left; even if we lynch wrong tomorrow, then it's still two townies to one cultist. If there are two, then it's a draw*.

*Note that in all cases I'm assuming that if there are an even number of cultists and townies then the game ends in a draw and not a cult win. The only way the cult can win right now is if this is not the case; it would also be helpful for them if there are two cultists left.

[AniX]

I fucking hate the e-mail system. It does alot of wacky shit with me like not tell me about games that I am playing in.

I say we no lynch or lynch me. I say this because up until last night, I was cult. Then, last night, I suddenly go all "the reformed". So basically, I think all the cult are reverting back now the big boss is dead. So eventually the town will win since the cult will just cease to exist because all the members will revert back.

But if you guys don't believe me, lynch me, you'll see I'm townie, so you'll know I'm not a liar, then just sit and wait until all the cults turn back.

[AniX]

Also, I'm going to kill you in real life, Llyod. You don't file a false scully sighting report.

[Lloyd]

Then, last night, I suddenly go all "the reformed".

My gut feeling says you are pulling a stunt. If you were reformed last night, how come it took you so long (real life days) to tell us?

I don't really remember the games I read and thinking back, it was bad play on my part to mention that.

I don't understand why it was bad play.

I think one was Muppet show mafia

I found cult references in Muppet Show Mafia, WORST ROLE EVAR, and TT; Book 1: Bible Verse Mafia. I don't want to spoil the endings. You should read them to draw your own conclusions.

I'm either a doc or cult.

Vyolence, why would a doctor and a cult member necessarily be mutually exclusive?

By the way...Couldn't you be pulling a Der Hammer-like stunt (a Townie pretending to be have other roles)?

Plan B ("lynch AniX, shoot Vyo"): I come up doc

Can you self protect?

If you cannot self-protect, then Plan B makes no sense.

Your post of different plans reminds me of post 58, where BrianMcQueso laid out different scenarios. I'm not sure yet if laying out plans is a cult-tell or not.

[Quig]

I used my power on Anix last night. Maybe it can cure cultness. So for now I think we should lynch Lloyd just incase he is infact a serial killer.

Vote: Lloyd

and then I will cure a different person each night.

[Vyolynce]

I like that idea. If Lloyd is town then he still wins when the last cult member is cured.

[Lloyd]

Night 1 I covered Lloyd and Night 2 I covered sotty7. Night 3 I covered Der Hammer.

I didn't do it to anyone.

I used my power on Anix last night.

Quig, you should target Vyolence tonight.

Plan B ("lynch AniX, shoot Vyo"): I come up doc

Can you self protect?

If you cannot self-protect, then Plan B makes no sense.

Vyolence, you didn't answer my question whether you can self protect or not.

1) If you can self protect, why are you concerned about a possible serial killer?

2) If you cannot self protect, why did you list plan B as an option?

If Lloyd is town then he still wins when the last cult member is cured.

Not necessarily. To paraphrase, my winning condition requires eliminating all threats from our village.

So what you're asking us to believe is that, in a 12-person mini, there were two mafias -- one of which had only a leader (leading whom, one would well ask) --

and

a cult.

That's exactly what I'm saying. I have no reason to lie to you about scumgroups that aren't related to me. There are likely two more mafiates in this game. I suspect that those two mafiates are you and Lloyd.

You have every reason to lie about every/anything, because it's the only possible chance you have to survive today after claiming cop yesterday and leading the town to a townie lynch/suicide.

It's posssible that you and Glork purposely tried to distance yourselves from each other.

Was referring to Kelly chen and your bizarre claim that a "Mafia Leader" was the

only member

in the mafia you joined at the start of the game.

Vyolence, what if you are a Mafia doctor or roleblocker?

I still want to test your doctor claim tonight. Thus,

Vote: No lynch

Who will you be protecting tonight?

[Lloyd]

Correction - I misspelled "Vyolynce" above. Sorry about that.

[AniX]

It took so long for me to tell you because I rely on my e-mail alerts to tell me about new posts on various threads. I, for whatever reason, did not recieve this e-mail so, this game was going on and I wasn't aware. Eventually, I decided to do my usual search for various terms, which includes Scully. I go "shit, I forgot about this game." go here, and post what you saw. If you really think I'm pulling a stunt, I fully support lynching me today, because my death will prove cult can be reformed, and thus you guys can "no-kill" and just wait until whomever reformed me to reform everyone.

[Lloyd]

AniX,

Good thing we started discussing Scully

I am voting no lynch, because I want to test Vyolynce's doctor claim tonight while Quig attempts to cure.

- That way, we can eliminate the possibility of Vyolynce being a Mafia doctor.

- If Vyolynce is a Mafia roleblocker, he might get away with it.

Quig, I suggest that you target Vyolynce tonight.

[Vyolynce]

No doc in the history of Mafia can self-protect. Why would you even ask that?

[Vyolynce]

Oh, and I won't be protecting anyone tonight.

Because I'm the last cult member and cult members lose any power they had.

Now, you can either lynch me and win if Lloyd isn't SK, or you can lynch Lloyd to make sure he's not SK and then cure me tonight for the win. I've really given up caring at this point.

[Sotty7]

Yay I was right! AniX and Vyolynce were cult

Vote: No Lynch

So Quig needs to target Vyolynce tonight and we should be all good

[mikeburnfire]

Day 5 - Vote count

Lloyd - 2 (Vyolynce, Quig)
No Lynch - 2 (Lloyd, Sotty7)

Not voting: AniX

3 to lynch.

[AniX]

I guess I should vote. well, Quig, remember to target vyolynce and we all should wake up helluva awesome tommorow. Helluva awesome.

Vote No Lynch

[Lloyd]

Helluva awesome.

Would "Helluva awesome" be a cult win or a town win?

[mikeburnfire]

Day 5 - Vote count

Lloyd - 2 (Vyolynce, Quig)
No Lynch - 3 (Lloyd, Sotty7, AniX)

3 to lynch.

The sunsets and you go to sleep. Night actions please.