Micro 201 - Venging Ball - Over

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Vote Count 1B

Player	L-4 Vote	L-3 Vote	L-2 Vote	L-1 Vote	L-0 Vote (Hammer)	Total Votes
Shadi1337	Alexcellent	MP5	DoctorPepper			3
DoctorPepper	SalmonellaDreams	Guyett				2
Makiavel	Shadi1337	Siveure DtTrikyp				2
Siveure DtTrikyp	greygnarl					1

Not Voting Makiavel
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline:

(expired on 2013-07-21 08:00:00)

[Alexcellent]

UNVOTE: Shadi
VOTE: Makiavel

Going to agree with Siv, #27 looks off.
Makiavel, why did you panic when Shadi got to L-1?

[SalmonellaDreams]

Kudos to dr.pepper for trying, even if it's early. His analysis is fair.

Salmo, do you have any other leads you'd like to follow? (You were on Maki's rvs omgus vote before?)

Are you trying to subtly push me onto Maki right here?

The relationship between Maki and Shadi is interesting. It's still to early to learn anything of it, but we'll definitely have to go back to look at it.

Anyways, VOTE: Shadi

I liked the pressure that was on him, and he seemed like he was trying to subtly get me to vote for Maki.

[greygnarl]

vote: shadi

Have fun at L-1, I don't like your play thus far.

[SalmonellaDreams]

greygnarl, how come you didn't push harder on siv? He ignored your question.
What have you noticed about his play? That was a very open ended statement and it seems like you're just hopping on the bandwagon.

VOTE: greygnarl

[Makiavel]

UNVOTE: Shadi
VOTE: Makiavel

Going to agree with Siv, #27 looks off.
Makiavel, why did you panic when Shadi got to L-1?

It wasn't my intent to get him to L-1, nor was it my intent to get someone hammered for a lulzy vote & without any real reason. In what language should I explain that for you to understand ? Because I've been repeating that forever.

[Makiavel]

UNVOTE: Shadi
VOTE: Makiavel

Going to agree with Siv, #27 looks off.
Makiavel, why did you panic when Shadi got to L-1?

Also, isn't it funny that you'd be willing to put someone to L-1 that easily because a post looks "odd" ?

[Makiavel]

Oh wait, I'm L-2.

[Shadi1337]

Kudos to dr.pepper for trying, even if it's early. His analysis is fair.

Salmo, do you have any other leads you'd like to follow? (You were on Maki's rvs omgus vote before?)

Are you trying to subtly push me onto Maki right here?

The relationship between Maki and Shadi is interesting. It's still to early to learn anything of it, but we'll definitely have to go back to look at it.

Anyways, VOTE: Shadi

I liked the pressure that was on him, and he seemed like he was trying to subtly get me to vote for Maki.

I guess it got off the wrong foot because we know each other out of the game, and Maki likes to look suspicious you can go check his latest finished game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=28794 it often comes out as that. I guess you already know Sal, you played a game with him I think.

Also I might already have mentioned it but remember I'm V/LA until around the 13th. Right now I'm having not the most positive reads on Grey and Maki; I will see how the thing processes though.

[Guyett]

You're at L-1 now maki, your play seems very odd so far.

[Alexcellent]

UNVOTE: Shadi
VOTE: Makiavel

Going to agree with Siv, #27 looks off.
Makiavel, why did you panic when Shadi got to L-1?

It wasn't my intent to get him to L-1, nor was it my intent to get someone hammered for a lulzy vote & without any real reason. In what language should I explain that for you to understand ? Because I've been repeating that forever.

I never asked you if you intended to put him at L-1, I'm asking why you're so against him being at L-1. What language would you like me to ask that in?

So I'm pretty happy with my vote sitting where it is right now, given Makiavel's overly defensive reaction to having a bit of pressure put on him. I'm okay with a Makiavel lynch today.

[Alexcellent]

You're at L-1 now maki, your play seems very odd so far.

He's at L-2.
You should also do some scumhunting of some kind Guyett.

FoS

Guyett

[Guyett]

Oh didn't see salmon changed vote... Deep moment

[Guyett]

Derp even... Bloody spell check

[Shadi1337]

You're at L-1 now maki, your play seems very odd so far.

He's at L-2.
You should also do some scumhunting of some kind Guyett.

FoS

Guyett

Although it's early it does seem like there's a bit dodging going on over here; but I'll have to wait and analyse whether it continues or not. (and how)

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Yuck the makiavel/shadi out of game relationship is really going to screw with this, isn't it. Given how maki has been defending I think this is probably just playstyle issues.

Anyway *sees maki overexplains in a post* "Maki has to explain" is not a very good train of thought imo.

VOTE: guyett

[DoctorPepper]

I find sal's change in voting weird. He seems to be voting for shadi, he thinks he is scummy, but twice now he's voted for the L-1 vote, as if to look town, even if he is suspicious of Shadi. And he votes for gray for not pushing his siv vote, when he himself cannot commit to pressuring shadi.

Im starting to doubt shadi/maki. Scum are not this obvious.

Alex, why are you okay with a lynch today? We've had like what, 3 days irl?

VOTE: SalmonellaDreams

[SalmonellaDreams]

So you're criticizing me for not being able to commit to a lynch this early, and you're criticizing Alex for committing to a lynch this early?

[greygnarl]

@Salmonella, I decided that pressuring siv wasn't interesting at that time.

As for Shadi, he seems to be very out of his depth. He's going really far trying to show that he's friends with maki whne nobody really even cared about that. He's ignoring msot of the case against him to defend himself for doing something else.

[DoctorPepper]

So you're criticizing me for not being able to commit to a lynch this early, and you're criticizing Alex for committing to a lynch this early?

Im not saying you cant commit to a lynch. Im saying you voting for someone who put someone at L-1 was like its made to look like your going off townie points. You criticize someone for not pressuring, yet you cant commit to pressuring someone. L-1 =/= autolynch. L-1 = PRESSURE. There is no dear of quickhammers because they might be venged if the person lynched was Vengeful Townie. The thing is, you criticize someone for not pressuring, yet you yourself also disengages in pressure

[SalmonellaDreams]

I'd be uncommitted to pressuring someone if I just let it go when they didn't answer.
Here's the thing: They did answer.
Since Shadi beat around the bush for part of my question, I'll ask again, with additional L-1 pressure.
VOTE: Shadi

Kudos to dr.pepper for trying, even if it's early. His analysis is fair.

Salmo, do you have any other leads you'd like to follow? (You were on Maki's rvs omgus vote before?)

Are you trying to subtly push me onto Maki right here?

Answer this.

Siv, since grey isn't going to push you, I will.
Is there any other reasoning behind your vote in 35 besides the fact that you don't like a post of his?
Additionally, elaborate on what you didn't like about his post.

Anyways, here's another thing I'm noticing about Shadi: His play seems different from when him and I played together last.

@Pepper: I know L-1 isn't an instant lynch, but with Makiavel around, it very well could be.

[SalmonellaDreams]

Speaking of that, Maki, don't hammer without a claim, and don't ask for a claim for no reason.

[DoctorPepper]

then quickhammerer gets venged unless they hit scum.

[Shadi1337]

What question

[SalmonellaDreams]

in post 32, we're you trying to push me onto maki?