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In post 3723, Nero Cain wrote:I find Nacho scummy. Bacde is playing different then I've seen him as town + it looks like he's being pretty fickle. Weather they are bussing or from different scum teams, I don't really care. Its also possible that one is town (bcade?) and the other is scum.

How have you seen me play as town before?

I ask because in the only other large game we both played in (Pikmin), I played pretty much the exact same except I didn't claim scum in this game

At least I assume I played the same cuz I don't see why it would be different

Are you like sane? You ask how I've seen you play as town and then you proceed to note that we've played together but I'm pretty sure its still ongoing so I'm not going to talk about it.

I don't mean "HOW" I mean like "how"

like, how do I play when you've seen me as town, and how is that different in this game

In post 3717, Slandaar wrote:The case on ThAd is very simple; he doesn't consider redscum in his analysis.

Thats it, very simple, but very brilliant.

Do you think I'm that much of a fucking idiot that if I was redscum I would forget to pretend to consider them in my analysis? Give me some credit please.

Rena - 2 (Seanald, Human Destroyer)
Nachomamma8 - 1 (Nero Cain)
Cephrir - 1 (ArcAngel9)
Amethyst Kitty - 1 (Nachomamma8)

Not Voting - 6 (CrashTextDummie, PeregrineV, penguin_alien, ThAdmiral, Amethyst Kitty, ffullisade)



Last votecount was page 149, post 3703.

UNVOTE: rena
town to the bowwown

VOTE: Cephrir

ill admit im having trouble keeping up, but im still in the game baby, and caught up.

I still find cephrir scummy from the previous day, and he's still playing pretty much the same in this day.

and corrrect me if im wrong, but pere and thad are the neighbors with supposedly the same win condition right? or am i mixing peoples names up?

VOTE: Seanald

who's down for this lynch?

VOTE: Seanald

I'll sheep

~mara

actually

VOTE: KK

I want this. His justification for Bacde scum looks like a reach and him not following through on the Kitty scum read after the toasty flip leads me to believe that he didn't really didn't really believe in that in the first place which means he probably was, in fact, looking to go after two mislynches.

Thing is, if we were town, based on what he has stated on us yesterday us not posting much should have triggered suspicion on his part. He hasn't even mentioned us at all today. He needs to die.

~Mara

You're pulling on my heartstrings with that bait-and-switch Mara

Why can't we just lynch ThAd?

In post 3728, ThAdmiral wrote: Do you think I'm that much of a fucking idiot that if I was redscum I would forget to pretend to consider them in my analysis? Give me some credit please.

I give you your credit.

So, now I consider you town.

But, if you were town I don't think your analysis would forget redscum so often I mean afterall I gave you credit to be good as scum so I must do the same as town.

Now I think you are scum again.

Didn't help you much.

I'm voting ThAd as much for his overall shitty play as Slandaar's case.

I'd be willing to lynch Seanald by the same token, though ThAd and probably a couple others are better options info-wise today. He certainly can't be allowed to survive the game though.

*as much as Slandaar's case

Buddy analysis, part deux

Again I'll be ignoring my overall town/scumreads to what extent I can.

CTD- Light suspicion of thezmon early D1 and (lol) said he was "clearly not scum with RR". No conclusion.
Nacho- has thez as 'strong town' early on, later votes him. Could be blue.
PV- nothing
Nero- not much interaction, but among the earliest thez voters. With RR dead, I don't think there's any chance blue would have voted him until his death became inevitable. So I'm giving Nero a free pass.
Bacde- ahahahaha no
Bulb- not much interaction
Desp- big argument with thez + myself about essentially nothing. I don't think thez would have gone this far attacking his scumbuddy.
PA- defended thez after his claim; end of 3279 sounds potentially like someone who helped thez craft his claim (doesn't see the glaring issues with it, possibly wasn't paying attention when thez botched it). Likely partner, because if you're PA, who is widely suspected and grade A useless, if you're scum with only thez, your only play is to try to save him.
Sland- Light scumread on thez eventually, suggests lynching him long before anyone else does, which I would think was possibly safe bussing except he then presents a somewhat compelling if brief argument. Good point wrt those who were on the wagon and got off, I'll keep that in mind.
Sean- nothing, shocker
ThAd- Maybe-fake rage about thez's continued survival (this is after his death is inevitable). Also that one Hanzo post. Analysis today based on the premise that scum must have bussed thezmon is kind of bluey.
Rena- fuzzy and thez has a small but pissy argument about his activity level (frustrated scumbuddy?). Rena asked someone why they were voting thez at one point and then never mentioned him again.
KK- initially hesitant about Bacde's case but ultimately becomes an early voter.
AK- has thez listed as town, but doesn't know why. Not sure I see the scum motivation is jumping on thez then immediately jumping off because they apparently needed to ask me a question.
ffull- effectively an early voter
Om- Defended thez after claim with suggestion that he should live for now. Don't like it.
AA9- suspected thez early; his explosive reaction = not scumbuddies.


p_a
ThAd
Om
Nacho
Rena


Bacde
Desperado
KK
AA9
ffull
Nero


CTD
PV
Bulb
Sland
Sean
AK

Considering thezmon's posts and both of my blue lists, I conclude that the most likely blue scum are Rena, Penguin, Om, ThAd and Slandaar.
Bacde, Nero, Kublai and AA9 are pretty much clear of being blue in my book.

In post 3739, Cephrir wrote:PA- defended thez after his claim; end of 3279 sounds potentially like someone who helped thez craft his claim (doesn't see the glaring issues with it, possibly wasn't paying attention when thez botched it). Likely partner, because if you're PA, who is widely suspected and grade A useless, if you're scum with only thez, your only play is to try to save him.

I saw the issues, if by that you mean that he claimed it hadn't kicked in yet despite us being down a couple PRs. I was initially accounting for the possibility that he'd gotten the BP after Oversoul's lynch and was trying to eat a bullet at night. His continued insistence that he didn't have anything when he had nothing to lose at L-1 changed my mind in combination with him having been on a scum team that used Universal Back-Up as a fake claim in a game I played with him before.

Cephrir, how likely is it that Rena is blue scum who claimed Watcher while on a team with Red Ryu? It seems massively improbable to me, especially given that no one's CC'd her.

I'm also not seeing what Om would have to gain by arguing for thez's survival for another night if he knew the claim was false unless scum has a protective role. The only part of this:

In post 3284, Om the Destroyer wrote:Lynching Thez right now isn't a good idea whether he's scum or not. Someone vig him tonight. If he's lying scum, then he dies. If he's town then it means we're not wasting a lynch on a townie. If he got the BP role unknowingly, then he survives. If he actually did get the Friendly Neighbour role then we'll have someone able to confirm him as town tomorrow.

that doesn't track is the Friendly Neighbour part, since presumably thez would be dead and so confirmed anyways.

It's a bit scummy, but it doesn't seem like a great payoff unless blue scum has a protective role. In which case I'd have thought they'd have used it on their Ninja and prevented his death.

As far as ThAd and Slandaar go, Slandaar seems to be trying to make a case for ThAd being red scum on a day where it sounds like consensus is that we want to lynch the potentially last blue scum. Given that you're showing where ThAd could be blue, I don't know why bluescum-Slandaar wouldn't go with that slant on the analysis.

Which leaves me thinking ThAd is a pretty good candidate for getting rid of all the blue scum, and even if it's not that optimal case, he stands a better-than-random chance of being red scum. So either we take a stab at eliminating a scum faction or get a red flip to get a toehold on that team. I didn't want to lynch into the neighbors at this juncture, but he and PV's weird purported interactions in their QT

I don't know about Bacde still, but I do know that his play was scummy enough as town in just-completed Mini 1439 to eat a vig bullet Night One. Although it overlapped with scum killing him too, it leaves me disinclined to lynch him here. The thing about Nacho is that if he was scum here, given the pressure he was putting on Baby Spice and that as scum he's successfully pushed town-me's lynch, I wouldn't think he'd have me in his town pile now. At best I'd expect scum-Nachomamma8 to keep me as a less forceful read he could try to run up later.

VOTE: ThAdmiral

Two other players have been given near-prods, and two other players have been poked.

Seriously, guys. That's a third of the living playerlist that I'm managing activity-wise. (Excluding the two who are currently V/LA!) Stop slacking off with this game.

In post 3740, penguin_alien wrote:I don't know about Bacde still, but I do know that his play was scummy enough as town in just-completed Mini 1439 to eat a vig bullet Night One. Although it overlapped with scum killing him too

dude you made me reread that game and I feel waaay better knowing that I was NKed by scum, I thought I was just vigged which sucked

Still waiting on Rena to claim those results...

In post 3740, penguin_alien wrote: Cephrir, how likely is it that Rena is blue scum who claimed Watcher while on a team with Red Ryu? It seems massively improbable to me, especially given that no one's CC'd her.

I think this is entirely possible, actually. I'm sure she probably does have a watcher ability, but this doesn't preclude her from being blue scum (there could be a town tracker, or even a watcher who thinks 2 town watchers is possible).

I'm also not seeing what Om would have to gain by arguing for thez's survival for another night if he knew the claim was false unless scum has a protective role.

Theoretically, he would have known that the vig probably wouldn't actually listen to him. It's a little bit of a longshot though. I don't suspect Om anyway, independently.

As far as ThAd and Slandaar go, Slandaar seems to be trying to make a case for ThAd being red scum on a day where it sounds like consensus is that we want to lynch the potentially last blue scum. Given that you're showing where ThAd could be blue, I don't know why bluescum-Slandaar wouldn't go with that slant on the analysis.

That's kind of an okay point. Except for the possibility that Slan is focusing on hunting redscum because he's blue, but still, maybe.

oh wait ThAd is Dan's slot?

VOTE: ThAd

Om told me he had a super-sexy meta scumread on Dan before he left me.

In post 3692, Bacde wrote:Nacho are you serious about this nero scumread

cuz I'ma need you to walk me through this

if you're right, you would completely change my read on you

so I wanna see this

you can answer my question first.

In post 3693, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 3690, Nachomamma8 wrote:it was a lazy bullshit vote. there are a lot of slots that haven't done shit to scumhunt (ThAd's is a big one), but why do you single out Rena?

yeah 'cause I haven't been scumreading that slot since day 1. Fucking die scum.

You were scumreading Fuzzy's slot for "not scumhunting", while not scumreading ActionDan for "not scumhunting" or Hanzo for "not scumhunting" or ThAd for "not scumhunting".

In post 3700, Cephrir wrote:I don't think we are talking about the same thing

Good.

In post 3705, PeregrineV wrote:After ActionDan propositioned DLG and DLG, weeping, stated how that love must remain unrequited, they decided that even though there love was never meant to be, at least they shared a win condition. And dammit, that was good enough for them.
Then, I came in, and not to be an ass, I decided that I too, loved Hanzo the mute. Hanzo the mute said nothing, but ThAd came and promised not to screw me over like last time. And dammit, that was good enough for us.

Well, that's not good enough for me.

In post 3710, Cephrir wrote:I can probably do that at some point. Honestly, I've thought this whole game that part of the reason Nacho's townreading me when most people aren't is because I'm playing totally differently (and worse) from that game.

Yup. Your read changes in particular that game were opportunistic as hell, whereas here you end up waffling, you express being unsure a LOT more in thread, everything feels more natural here. But if PV wants to hear a "detailed analysis", then he's going to have to actually put some effort into the game.

In post 3713, Kublai Khan wrote:Also, I'm disappointed in a lot of you for not even looking at my Bacde case.

I seriously, seriously don't think Bacde is scum.

In post 3723, Nero Cain wrote:Bacde is playing different then I've seen him as town + it looks like he's being pretty fickle.

Since when is Bacde being fickle a scumtell?

Bacde, get off Seanald. He isn't likely to be scum and he definitely isn't getting lynched today.

*yawn*

Wake me when I get to -1

In post 3748, ThAdmiral wrote:*yawn*

Wake me when I get to -1

we'll probably just lynch you when you get to L-1 if all you're going to do when getting wagonned is "why me? why me?"
who do you think is scum?