NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

[Cephrir]

I think there is a compelling reason not to do this. Stoppit.

I could be wrong though.

This is starting to make assumptions that are useless and a little stupid, yet easily exploitable. Don't do this.

I don't think we are talking about the same thing

[Nero Cain]

I still think that Haylen/Rena is still very possible sum, even with the claim

you were saying, Mollie?

[ffullisade]

okay thanks!

[mastin2]

Seventy-Ninth Votecount

:

(Twelfth Votecount of Day Three,

AKA, the "ffffffffffffff! F!" votecount.

)

Rena - 3 (Cephrir, Seanald, Human Destroyer)

Bacde - 3 (Kublai Khan, Bulbazak,Rena)

ThAdmiral - 3 (Desperado, Bacde, Slandaar)
Nachomamma8 - 1 (Nero Cain)
Cephrir - 1 (ArcAngel9)
Amethyst Kitty - 1 (Nachomamma8)

Not Voting - 6 (CrashTextDummie, PeregrineV, penguin_alien, ThAdmiral, Amethyst Kitty, ffullisade)

With

18

alive, it's

10

to lynch.

Day Three's deadline is Monday, July 1st, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-01 12:30:00).

Bulbazak is V/LA over weekends indefinitely.
Haylen is V/LA until Sunday, Jun 16th.
mastin2, the moderator, is V/LA for...a while.

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Rena - 3 (Cephrir, Seanald, Human Destroyer)
Bacde - 3 (Kublai Khan, Bulbazak, Rena)
ThAdmiral - 3 (Desperado, Bacde,

Slandaar

)
Cephrir - 1 (ArcAngel9)
Nachomamma8 - 1 (Nero Cain)
Amethyst Kitty - 1 (Nachomamma8)
Desperado - 0 (

Slandaar

)

Not Voting - 6 (CrashTextDummie, PeregrineV, penguin_alien, ThAdmiral, Amethyst Kitty, ffullisade)

Last votecount was page 148, post 3675.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History D3

CrashTextDummie:
Cephrir: Rena
Nachomamma8: ThAdmiral->Nero Cain->PeregrineV->Slandaar->Amethyst Kitty
PeregrineV:
Nero Cain: Rena->Nachomamma8
Bacde: Nachomamma8->Rena->Nachomamma8->Unvote->ThAdmiral
Bulbazak: ffullisade->Bacde
Desperado: ThAdmiral->Rena->ThAdmiral
penguin_alien:
Slandaar: Amethyst Kitty->Rena->Desperado->ThAdmiral
Seanald: Rena
ThAdmiral:
Rena: Bacde
Kublai Khan: Bacde
Amethyst Kitty:
ffullisade: Rena->Unvote

Om the Destroyer

Human Destroyer: Rena
ArcAngel9: Cephrir

Spoiler: Votecount History D3

On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 02:30p,

Bacde

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3367.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 02:40p,

Nachomamma8

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3375.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 05:23p,

Nero Cain

votes

Rena

in post 3385.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 06:01p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Nero Cain

in post 3388.
On Mon, Jun 6/10/13 @ 11:14p,

Kublai Khan

votes

Bacde

in post 3397.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 04:18a,

Slandaar

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3406.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 08:55a,

Desperado

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3417.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 12:32p,

Bubazak

votes

ffullisade

in post 3432.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 03:04p,

ArcAngel9

votes

Cephrir

in post 3444.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 06:46p,

ffullisade

votes

Rena

in post 3462.
On Tue, Jun 6/11/13 @ 09:08p,

Seanald

votes

Rena

in post 3467.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 11:07a,

Desperado

votes

Rena

in post 3489.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 12:41p,

Bacde

votes

Rena

in post 3522.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 01:45p,

Slandaar

votes

Rena

in post 3528.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 02:15p,

Bulbazak

unvotes

ffullisade

and votes

Bacde

in post 3537.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 02:42p,

ffullisade

unvotes

Rena

in post 3543.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:04p,

Bacde

unvotes

Rena

and votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3548.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:48p,

Nachomamma8

votes

PeregrineV

in post 3584.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:49p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Slandaar

in post 3585.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 03:50p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Amethyst Kitty

in post 3586.
On Wed, Jun 6/12/13 @ 06:07p,

Nero Cain

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 3623.
On Thu, Jun 6/13/13 @ 03:49a,

Slandaar

votes

Desperado

in post 3625.
On Thu, Jun 6/13/13 @ 10:02a,

Human Destroyer

votes

Rena

in post 3633.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 10:06a,

Bacde

unvotes

Nachomamma8

in post 3671.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 11:16a,

Desperado

unvotes

Rena

and votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3672.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 11:30a,

Bacde

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3673.
On Fri, Jun 6/14/13 @ 12:08p,

Slandaar

votes

ThAdmiral

in post 3678.

[PeregrineV]

I don't understand how a QT that includes ActionDan, lurker extraordinaire, could possibly have convinced you of anything. Like, can you give me a general idea of what makes you view ThAd as basically confirmed?

QT meta, ActionDan had 10 of the first 15 posts. Suffice to say the interaction and the responses, while not what I would have made, give a strong enough indication of town that I'll say it in the thread- ThAd is town.

Convince me you aren't one blue and one red who figured out they were both scum and decided to work together, because that's what it sounds like if you won't clarify.

Although not relevant in this game, this sentence fascinates me. Where have you ever seen this occur?

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine...you claim that DLG and actiondan confirmed themselves as town before day one started. You are more than capable of paraphrasing how they came to this conclusion. Or maybe you could even offer a hypothetical scenario where this would be possible. Because I'm drawing a blank.

After ActionDan propositioned DLG and DLG, weeping, stated how that love must remain unrequited, they decided that even though there love was never meant to be, at least they shared a win condition. And dammit, that was good enough for them.
Then, I came in, and not to be an ass, I decided that I too, loved Hanzo the mute. Hanzo the mute said nothing, but ThAd came and promised not to screw me over like last time. And dammit, that was good enough for us.
We also chatted somewhat, but let's be honest, we both replaced in 100+ pages, so current events are way more relevant to us at this point.

[PeregrineV]

Are you suspicious of your partner? Do you know why his claiming is so awkward?

Not really.
I read it and it didn't seem awkward. Just the normal reluctance to claiming, one that I certainly share.

[Slandaar]

slaandy, I asked you what your opinion was on rena's claim

I said something like I don't see how it fits in the setup as town, but then ThAd said; Why would Blue have a ninja if Town doesn't have a watcher??? and I replied, well there is this team called redscum who can make the ninja useful... oh wait you are redscum who knows they don't have a watcher making Rena town. Thanks ThAd!

[PeregrineV]

I think Rena is probably town Watcher, and will until evidence provides otherwise.
I think her n1 target was Om, based on 3540. If not, she can clear that up when she gets back.

[PeregrineV]

Since LOL Mafia just finished, and it featured a scumteam of Cephrir and Nachomamma, I would like to hear a detailed analysis by each of them on the other person, especially comparing their play here to their scum play in LoL.

[Cephrir]

I don't understand how a QT that includes ActionDan, lurker extraordinaire, could possibly have convinced you of anything. Like, can you give me a general idea of what makes you view ThAd as basically confirmed?

QT meta, ActionDan had 10 of the first 15 posts. Suffice to say the interaction and the responses, while not what I would have made, give a strong enough indication of town that I'll say it in the thread- ThAd is town.

Peregrine...you claim that DLG and actiondan confirmed themselves as town before day one started. You are more than capable of paraphrasing how they came to this conclusion. Or maybe you could even offer a hypothetical scenario where this would be possible. Because I'm drawing a blank.

After ActionDan propositioned DLG and DLG, weeping, stated how that love must remain unrequited, they decided that even though there love was never meant to be, at least they shared a win condition. And dammit, that was good enough for them.
Then, I came in, and not to be an ass, I decided that I too, loved Hanzo the mute. Hanzo the mute said nothing, but ThAd came and promised not to screw me over like last time. And dammit, that was good enough for us.
We also chatted somewhat, but let's be honest, we both replaced in 100+ pages, so current events are way more relevant to us at this point.

Okay, these two posts make me think I was wrong and that we should pursue this wagon.

Convince me you aren't one blue and one red who figured out they were both scum and decided to work together, because that's what it sounds like if you won't clarify.

Although not relevant in this game, this sentence fascinates me. Where have you ever seen this occur?

I don't think I actually have, but it sounds really cool.

Since LOL Mafia just finished, and it featured a scumteam of Cephrir and Nachomamma, I would like to hear a detailed analysis by each of them on the other person, especially comparing their play here to their scum play in LoL.

I can probably do that at some point. Honestly, I've thought this whole game that part of the reason Nacho's townreading me when most people aren't is because I'm playing totally differently (and worse) from that game.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: ThAd

[ThAdmiral]

*sigh*

[Kublai Khan]

I don't think so. Given that they have history, it looks more like scum-Bacde obfuscating any potential read that Nachomamma8 can get on him.

Eh, Nacho looks like scum to me. I guess they could be scum from different teams.

Given the thezmon221 lynch, it's very unlikely Bacde is bluescum. So Bacde would have to be redscum. So, is Nachomamma8 bluescum?

because I promise you that I am town in this game

Well, scum would

never

promise to be town.

the reason that my reasoning on nacho switched from red to blue scum was

because I saw thezmon as a partner of nacho

, and thezmon flipped blue

The bolded part is the sort of thing that you need to explain in convincing detail.

Also, why are you basing everything on scum bussing each other. Why would scum bus each other hard in a multiball setup?

I helped you lynch scum before, just work with me til it stops paying off at least?

Should I take that as an admission of guilt?

See how ThAd doesn't think about the possibility of redscum having a watcher or 'something like a watcher'? thats because he is redscum and knows they don't hence I coloured him red.

I'm kinda on ThAdmiral's side on this issue. Even in multiball, scum have ability that counter town PR, not generally each other's PR. Even if the redscum team has a watcher, then town would still likely have a watcher/tracker.

I'm going to ask you this Khan, because I figure you'd know: Is a vengeful townie even a normal role?

It's not an explicitly normal role. However, large normal setups allow for 1-2 new/variants roles. I'm pretty sure a vengeful townie would be OKed.

That said, Bacde claimed "reflexive night-vengeful townie". Which sounds like a bullshit way for saying "bomb". Which falls under the same category of "likely allowed variant", but given that Rena visisted him and he unvoted her (aka, didn't call out clashing claim conditions), then Bacde is lying about his role. Again.

---

Thad isn't DLG, Peregrine is.

Seriously, WTF? A case is made against DLG's actions, but a different guy is wagoned?

I mean, why the hell is even Cephrir voting ThAdmiral? I'm not saying that ThAdmiral is town, but the case presented is against someone else.

Also, I'm disappointed in a lot of you for not even looking at my Bacde case.

[Kublai Khan]

Mod(s): Please prod the lurker (Seanald)

<<< Though Seanald

was

eligible for a prod, he posted before a moderator could hand it to him. Thus, he escapes prod-hood. However, other individuals are not so fortunate. >>>

[Bacde]

Well, scum would never promise to be town.

and neither would town, apparently

The bolded part is the sort of thing that you need to explain in convincing detail.

Also, why are you basing everything on scum bussing each other. Why would scum bus each other hard in a multiball setup?

Again, I didn't think they would. That's why I thought nacho was redscum, because Red Ryu was voting for him and pushing him so hard.

Thezmon I saw as a link to scumcho, since he was the one being THE MOST fency and weird about me voting for nacho. So I strung him up. But he flipped blue--

the only natural conclusion I could make, that continued my train of thought of the thezmon-nacho link, was to assume that nacho is indeed bluescum

.

This is actually pretty easy to follow

Should I take that as an admission of guilt?

No, no you shouldn't

Also, I'm disappointed in a lot of you for not even looking at my Bacde case.

I've looked at it, and quite frankly so has everyone else probably.

[Slandaar]

KK Bacde is town just trust in Slandaar

ThAd is redscum.

And if its not obvious I knew the case on PV wasn't on ThAd, I was looking into potential bluescum and noticed it so posted it and I think its a good case.

[Slandaar]

The case on ThAd is very simple; he doesn't consider redscum in his analysis.

Thats it, very simple, but very brilliant.

[Bacde]

Peregrine...you claim that DLG and actiondan confirmed themselves as town before day one started. You are more than capable of paraphrasing how they came to this conclusion. Or maybe you could even offer a hypothetical scenario where this would be possible. Because I'm drawing a blank.

After ActionDan propositioned DLG and DLG, weeping, stated how that love must remain unrequited, they decided that even though there love was never meant to be, at least they shared a win condition. And dammit, that was good enough for them.
Then, I came in, and not to be an ass, I decided that I too, loved Hanzo the mute. Hanzo the mute said nothing, but ThAd came and promised not to screw me over like last time. And dammit, that was good enough for us.
We also chatted somewhat, but let's be honest, we both replaced in 100+ pages, so current events are way more relevant to us at this point.

Do you have reason to believe that your lover-ship is alignment indicative?

[Nero Cain]

Given the thezmon221 lynch, it's very unlikely Bacde is bluescum. So Bacde would have to be redscum. So, is Nachomamma8 bluescum?

sure

[Kublai Khan]

Given the thezmon221 lynch, it's very unlikely Bacde is bluescum. So Bacde would have to be redscum. So, is Nachomamma8 bluescum?

sure

Are you just telling me anything I want to hear to get someone lynched?

[Bacde]

Are you just telling me anything I want to hear to get someone lynched?

That's what I did to get thezmon lynched

[Kublai Khan]

Are you just telling me anything I want to hear to get someone lynched?

That's what I did to get thezmon lynched

At what point did you realize that I wasn't talking to you there?

[Nero Cain]

???????????????????????????

*sigh*

I find Nacho scummy. Bacde is playing different then I've seen him as town + it looks like he's being pretty fickle. Weather they are bussing or from different scum teams, I don't really care. Its also possible that one is town (bcade?) and the other is scum.

[Bacde]

Are you just telling me anything I want to hear to get someone lynched?

That's what I did to get thezmon lynched

At what point did you realize that I wasn't talking to you there?

I still haven't realized it