lynch-leading might not be the right term but you had a certain gusto in the early game that has utterly disappeared, you seemed to just accept lynches since peta's lynch, you've been much more concerned with things like outlandish endgame scenarios ("what if its rolf/kingdom/bacde!") while everyone else actually seemed to think this game would never reach 3 man lylo.In post 1998, Bacde wrote:In post 1994, roflcopter wrote:i mean with your vote and your lynch-leading-nessdo you have a response to this?In post 1995, Bacde wrote:really? I don't really remember ever leading that much in this game
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because you have big brass balls and at this stage in the game you were letting them swing wildlyIn post 1999, Bacde wrote:why would I be more likely to make this post as scum rather than as town?
IMO its not likely for scum to directly buddy their partners, its a large reason of why I didn't want you lynched after peta flipped scum
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I don't think this answer adequately addresses the question tbhIn post 2001, roflcopter wrote:
because you have big brass balls and at this stage in the game you were letting them swing wildlyIn post 1999, Bacde wrote:why would I be more likely to make this post as scum rather than as town?
IMO its not likely for scum to directly buddy their partners, its a large reason of why I didn't want you lynched after peta flipped scum
but you seem to think its likely
I also noticed you mentioned that you wanted me lynched early game, which is true
But do you remember how a large part of that was you associating me with smashbard? I recall you saying that there was an "obv chainsaw defense" on the first page of your posting
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yeah mislynch after mislynch will take the gusto out of meIn post 2000, roflcopter wrote:
lynch-leading might not be the right term but you had a certain gusto in the early game that has utterly disappeared, you seemed to just accept lynches since peta's lynch, you've been much more concerned with things like outlandish endgame scenarios ("what if its rolf/kingdom/bacde!") while everyone else actually seemed to think this game would never reach 3 man lylo.In post 1998, Bacde wrote:In post 1994, roflcopter wrote:i mean with your vote and your lynch-leading-ness
do you have a response to this?In post 1995, Bacde wrote:really? I don't really remember ever leading that much in this game
but it doesn't seem to phase you
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I'm not gonna lie I went into this day thinking it was rofl but the dialogue this last page is making me uncertain and I am second guessing myself all over
I fucking hate being in 3P LyLo and of course, out of the like 5 or 4 times in 3P LyLo, this will be the third in the Hell Hole known as New York.
The innocent on Bacde really fucking screws with me but I am standing behind my belief that the last scum has to be godfather or otherwise investigation immune for any semblance of balance imo but that only adds into more second guessing and questioning myself
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OS, why did you make this post in this manner?In post 1068, Oversoul wrote:
no.In post 1050, Bacde wrote:Also I would not be surprised if Oversoul is scum, Oversoul replaced Go, right? Go "nabbing" MrZepher as scum on page 1 or two looked suspicious as hell
let me just stop you now before you even begin down that road
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I was thinking it was rofl too coming into today tooIn post 2004, Oversoul wrote:I'm not gonna lie I went into this day thinking it was rofl but the dialogue this last page is making me uncertain and I am second guessing myself all over
I fucking hate being in 3P LyLo and of course, out of the like 5 or 4 times in 3P LyLo, this will be the third in the Hell Hole known as New York.
The innocent on Bacde really fucking screws with me but I am standing behind my belief that the last scum has to be godfather or otherwise investigation immune for any semblance of balance imo but that only adds into more second guessing and questioning myself
Rofl, why are you concerned with the way I acted towards being investigated with Zone?
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no, I don't crumb investigative roles like thatIn post 2005, Bacde wrote:
OS, why did you make this post in this manner?In post 1068, Oversoul wrote:
no.In post 1050, Bacde wrote:Also I would not be surprised if Oversoul is scum, Oversoul replaced Go, right? Go "nabbing" MrZepher as scum on page 1 or two looked suspicious as hell
let me just stop you now before you even begin down that road
At the time, i thought you were crumbing a protective role or something
It was me saying 1) if you go into speculation about my predecessor I will not comment on it, 2) that type of speculation is especially reaching, and 3) I am town in a very blunt manner
About why I thought it was rofl and now I am having second thoughts? I don't know he just seems genuine from his tone and the questions he is asking here that makes me doubt
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so you feel his aggressive tone is genuine despite some of his points being invalid (such as me being more "timid" in the past few days)?In post 2007, Oversoul wrote:
no, I don't crumb investigative roles like thatIn post 2005, Bacde wrote:
OS, why did you make this post in this manner?In post 1068, Oversoul wrote:
no.In post 1050, Bacde wrote:Also I would not be surprised if Oversoul is scum, Oversoul replaced Go, right? Go "nabbing" MrZepher as scum on page 1 or two looked suspicious as hell
let me just stop you now before you even begin down that road
At the time, i thought you were crumbing a protective role or something
It was me saying 1) if you go into speculation about my predecessor I will not comment on it, 2) that type of speculation is especially reaching, and 3) I am town in a very blunt manner
About why I thought it was rofl and now I am having second thoughts? I don't know he just seems genuine from his tone and the questions he is asking here that makes me doubt
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uh huh, a large part, but not all of it. so, strawman much? my gut wanted you lynched early in the game. i'm waxing philosophical, gee wouldn't it be nice if after all this time i was right about you in the beginning.In post 2002, Bacde wrote:But do you remember how a large part of that was you associating me with smashbard? I recall you saying that there was an "obv chainsaw defense" on the first page of your posting
holy shit this is a terrible defense. "you made an association case on peregrine and he flipped town therefore all association cases are wrong" is pretty much what you are saying. i was also wrong about jacob, and about actiondan, and about smashbard early in the game, and i was crazy wrong about peta. so should i just stop playing mafia because i was wrong so much? or could it just be that i'm *town* so i get things wrong sometimes and when that happens all i can do is come back the next day and try to get it right this time? my being wrong about peregrine-hd interaction literally has zero bearing on whether or not i'm right about hd-bacde interactions.In post 2002, Bacde wrote:You also made an association case on Peregrine for the way he interacted w/ HD, but that ended up being incorrect. Why do you think this association case is correct?-
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cause it was sketch as hell man, the possibility of an investigation comes up and you're all 'zomg don't investigate me it would be a waste of time hur dur!"In post 2004, Oversoul wrote:Rofl, why are you concerned with the way I acted towards being investigated with Zone?
but really, like i said, that is the only time this entire game that my radar even perked up in your direction. for you to be mafia, go would have to have 1) bussed zepher like mad, 2) been bussed in return by hd for bussing zepher (which was actually a major, major example of a chainsaw defense) and 3) turned right around and bussed hd too. its just not something i consider plausible.-
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I didn't remember it that way then lolIn post 2013, roflcopter wrote:cause it was sketch as hell man, the possibility of an investigation comes up and you're all 'zomg don't investigate me it would be a waste of time hur dur!"
I just want this game to be over
Bacde I kinda agree with rofl's sentiments about being wrong. It doesn't mean that you are automatically scum. I was wrong about Zone, I was wrong about Konowa, I was wrong about Zepher, and I was REALLY wrong about Jacob
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I've been wrong a lot too this gameIn post 2014, Oversoul wrote:Bacde I kinda agree with rofl's sentiments about being wrong. It doesn't mean that you are automatically scum. I was wrong about Zone, I was wrong about Konowa, I was wrong about Zepher, and I was REALLY wrong about Jacob
Why are you only going after him over those things?
I was wrong about Zone, and was wrong about NS, and was wrong about Peregrine
I was also wrong about the number of scum left, I thought there would be 5
Its how he responds to my question that makes this important--I'm scumhunting
and tbh rofl's answer really does sound townie to me, you both do right now
so whoever of you is scum, really gj
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Ok so first of all, I want to say that I think the last scum is a godfather
I think this for a couple reasons:
1) Balance. With 4 scum, thats less than 25% of the town. Considering that the town was somewhat strong with informative/protective roles (with daymasons, a gunsmith, a bodyguard, and a jailkeeper), which really would screw over the scum unless they had roles to counteract that. The rolecop was a part of it, but would a rolecop + 3 goons be balanced against that much town power? Probably not
2) The mod had an answer as to whether or not a godfather would investigate as w/ a gun or w/o a gun, and the mod posted it in the thread. What really makes this argument convincing, however, is that the mod answered in a non-standard fashion. I'm pretty sure that generally godfather's investigate as "with a gun". The fact that the mod would clarify a nonstandard aspect of a role makes me believe that he already had an answer to the question prepared because the role was in the game.-
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Ok so I've got two things that I think will greatly improve the chances of finding me to be town.
1) On day 3, I was voting for Nobody Special. The two wagons built up to L-1, and were both competing with each other almost all the way to deadline. Now I want to emphasize here that OS was voting for NS, while roflcopter was voting for HD. Neither of these votes are inherently scummy or townie. I was voting for NS. However, right before deadline, I moved my vote to HD. This is a move I can't imagine making if I were scum. If I were scum, I would have kept my vote on NS, and just stopped posting. I think this move is a major towntell. Here is the VC from right after that move:
2) Peta started pushing on me right before he was outted as w/ a gun. After lynching two of his teammates, I can't imagine him gunning for his last teammate.In post 1325, Maestro wrote:MattP's back so he can do some marvelous flavor after the flip now! Yay!RANDOM FACT:
Human Destroyer was Lynched. He was aMafia RoleCop
EVERYONE SHUT UP AND WAIT FOR MATTP/DR. PRODUCER - I CAN'T LOCK THE THREAD
In post 1159, petapan wrote:bacde is not posting goodIn post 1544, petapan wrote:its probably bacde or oversoul and he saw his partner was throwing him under the bus and gave up-
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Ok, now for why I think roflcopter is scum, and not just scum but a godfather.
1) The way a godfather is supposed to play. On Epicmafia there are TONS of setups that have godfathers. This has given me a lot of experience in playing as one. As a godfather, it is in your best interest to bus often. As you are investigation immune, if you bus AND get investigated you can build up a RIDICULOUS amount of town cred and basically ride the gravy train to victory. roflcopter's play correlates with optimal godfather play.
2) Smashbard died first between the 3 gunsmith clears (I realize that the clear doesn't guarantee that I'm town but walk with me here). Though Smashbard WOULD make sense to kill over KingdomAces as he was more active and generally recognized by the town as protown, he also was the strongest proponent of linking petapan's and roflcopter's alignments. I don't think the choice to kill him first was a coincidence.
3) Petapan pushed on me AND on OS, AND defended roflcopter
In post 1159, petapan wrote:bacde is not posting goodIn post 1544, petapan wrote:its probably bacde or oversoul and he saw his partner was throwing him under the bus and gave up
4) OS asked to NOT be investigated, which is a HUGE not-GF tell.In post 1579, petapan wrote:
his scumgame from the last time i played with him was super weak, he pushed retarded reads and avoided bussing there's nothing to be skeptical ofIn post 1578, Bacde wrote:I mean, a ZONEACE lynch does sound tempting but I'm super skeptical of roflcopter right now
5) roflcopter seems to have trouble keeping his thoughts straight:
This post indicates to me that if roflcopter was keeping a smooth train of thought, he would be more suspicious of OS right now. Yet I had previously expressed suspicion about roflcopter, so as scum it would be more beneficial for him to instead try to spread suspicion onto me, rather than continue along that train of thought.In post 1907, roflcopter wrote:and i think the game is going to end if we lynch right today, and even if we lynch wrong today there exists no scenario that will involve anyone even entertaining the idea of lynching you
And finally, something subjective
This post here:
Sounds like its rofl trying to force a not-GF tell. It is not as genuine as OS's asking to not be investigated.In post 1909, roflcopter wrote:gf is not supposed to be a gunsmith negative. if that exists in this setup and has had an effect on the game, it is a large mod error/oversight.-
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A few minor notes:
1) The way that Go attacked both zepher and HD felt legitimate, eg not like a bus. He had solid reasoning for scumreading them both. Also, it read as genuine because (as I think actiondan said "tempers were flared")
2) Roflcopter threw a softball question at peta and accepted his answer fullheartedly:In post 1026, roflcopter wrote:zomg thanks for saving me konowa
(i'll read the dead thread soon enough to find out if you really did)
vote: human destroyer
@peta, at the end of day one, why did you not sheep me onto zepher, as promised?In post 1031, petapan wrote:i would have but i think it wasn't viable at the time i wasn't paying a lot of attention
plus greygnarl pissed me off
basically i'm shit this game and i'm going to be taking a long break after this
tbh i thought konowa was scum going into today because his read on zepher disappeared yesterday3) Roflcopter hasn't really been explaining his reads that well. Explaining the reasoning behind reads is one of the hardest things to do as scum.
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