227 - You Only Live Twice - Game Over!

[Mr Stoofer]

Yes, we can do a big claim, but it will take us four days to actually lynch them.

That is as fast as we can lynch scum anyway! And if we have a vig we can be quicker.

Just to clarify why the scum are screwed in a mass claim:

1. The scum ?? accounts can't falsely claim to be a normal account which is alive, since the normal account will just log on and say "?whetever? is lying: I'm not ?whatever?'s alter ego".

2. The scum ?? accounts can't falsely claim a normal account which is dead if that normal's ?? account is also dead (because once both accunts are dead, the link is revealed).

3. So a false claim would have to be to a normal account which is dead, but where the corresponding ?? account is alive. In such a case there will be a counterclaim. And it is easy to prove who is right: we just ask both acounts to predict what the first word of that normal account's next post (in another thread) will be. If they are both wrong they are both lying.

[????]

That is as fast as we can lynch scum anyway! And if we have a vig we can be quicker.

Just going for ?? accounts will lead to two good ?? accounts dying today I think, because of the weight scum can put in a bandwagon. In a worst case scenario we will be left with 8 bad accounts out of 14 tomorrow. If we do that claim, we will be left at the mercy of the bad guys. If they decide to work together during the day we are pretty much screwed.

[Mr Stoofer]

Yeah, by the time you do the mass claim and identify all the scum, it might well be too late to do anything about it. Hmm... not such a good idea after all.

[?Allstar?]

I feel I should say speculating this early can be bad.

Seconded. We've got 3 pages now to use to find scum instead of fancy-pants schemes.

I'm happy with my vote on ?Rainbow Brite? - 1 post, no content, just jumped on bandwagon.

[Flying Dutchman]

And it is easy to prove who is right: we just ask both acounts to predict what the first word of that normal account's next post (in another thread) will be. If they are both wrong they are both lying.

Dead people are not allowed to talk..... I think doing something like this simply breaks the rules. It's out of thread communication.... The only solution is lynching both people if 2 claim the same role. However, I don't think a mass claim is a solution. If, for example the doc is outed we'll have a double problem all of a sudden. Not to mention the advantage that a cop can reveal the results of 2 accounts by revealing his identity on one of his names, and can keep the other concealed. The town doesn't have many advantages; we shouldn't be too eager to give away the few we have.

FOS: Everyone suggesting a mass claim.

This is not the way to go.

[StrykkerVerde]

Sorry it took so long in the going up.

The What the hell is everone talking about Vote Count:

Seol

mepmuff

GreenLiquid 1

– Flying Dutchman

Dranko20

d_rouge

Mastermind of Sin

BrianMcQueso 1

- Quailman

Quailman

Flying Dutchman

Mr Stoofer 5

- ?Charlie?, Seol, ?Purple Liquid?, ?Rainbow Brite?, ?Namelessone?

?Clear Liquid?

?YouYou?

1- Mepmuff,

?Allstar?

?Rainbow Brite?

1 - ?Allstar?,

?Purple Liquid?

1 - ?Clear Liquid?

?Colinus?

1 – BrianMcQueso ,

?Charlie?

1 – Green Liquid,

???? 2

– d_rouge, Dranko20

?Namelessone? 2

- ?Colinus?, ?YouYou?,

?Impossible? 1

– Mr Stoofer

Those not voting:

Mastermind of Sin, ????, ?Impossible?

[?Rainbow Brite?]

I'm happy with my vote on ?Rainbow Brite? - 1 post, no content, just jumped on bandwagon.

i happen to like my vote.

although i am gladdened to see stoof realise the dangers of mass claim this early. trying to break a game day one is rarely a clever thing to do. maybe we can shut up about it now?

good.

now, time for some rampant mod-outguessing! "three scum and one sk" doubled up for this game would be equivalent to a six-man and a two-man mafia, each with double-killing powers, in a 24-person game, where the town is hampered by very limited role revelation. that seems like an awful lot to me. so i dont think there's that many. if there are, we're probably screwed from the get-go.

so i think perhaps the portents of doom are overstated, perhaps.

anyway thats my thoughts for now.

[BrianMcQueso]

Mass claiming is dangerous for the following simple reason: If a power role (let's say... doctor) comes up dead, and the scum knows who the matching account is, then we've lost both our doctor accounts.

What this further means is that if the scum fires at different people, their chances of finding one doctor is doubled. If they can easily find the second once they find the first, then it's bad times.

[?Charlie?]

Brian, if a doc dies we don't know it until the other half of him is dead.
So scum can't deduce nothing.
Of course if there's one less kill we could say: "Maybe we lynched one scum yesterday", but we can't be sure about it.

But scum can't never know if the doc is still alive with both accounts, except if two kills are prevented.

Your argument is basically crap.

[Dranko20]

mepmuff is gay

?charlie?, calling b-macs agrument crap is stupid cause maybe he didn't know that they don't reveal until both halves die?

eh?

I don't know, just seemed to me that you were reaching for reasons to eventually vote brian, even though you havent yet

[BrianMcQueso]

I forgot that roles aren't revealed until both halves die. Nevertheless, I think it would benefit the scum to completely eliminate a player from the game, though I'm less sure why.

[Mr Stoofer]

Unvote: ?RainbowBrite?

for posting content (which I happen to agree with).

Vote: ?NamelessOne?

for not posting any content.

[mepmuff]

unvote: ?YouYou?
vote: Dranko20

[d_rouge]

Nevertheless, I think it would benefit the scum to completely eliminate a player from the game, though I'm less sure why.

You're saying that this thought that it would be an advantage for scum to completely kill somebody, is more of a gut feeling?

Well, it's wrong anyway: scum would be much happier to kill half a doc and half a townie than killing the two halves of the same townie.
Well, they would feel happier if they could know about it, but you got my point.

unvote: ????, vote: BrianMcQueso

[?YouYou?]

It doesn't look like there's any claiming or voting strategy that helps us. So let's lynch ?Nameless One? and BrianMcQueso and see where that gets us.

[BrianMcQueso]

This is straight-up metagaming, but I know (well not

know

, but I'd bet serious money) there are no townies in this game. StrykkerVerde abhors putting basic townsfolk in his games. I'm not sure whether it would benefit the scum more to knock out two identical roles, or two different roles, and that's just pure speculation on my part.

I guess what I've been trying to get at is that this double-life system was implemented for a reason, and whatever that reason may be, if we're not taking advantage of this opportunity somehow, then we're just playing a regular Mini.

It doesn't look like there's any claiming or voting strategy that helps us. So let's lynch ?Nameless One? and BrianMcQueso and see where that gets us.

vote: ?YouYou?

I know my ideas have been a bit confusing, and maybe even voteworthy, but I don't think it's worth lynching me over. Your last post makes it seem like you're eager to start a real early bandwagon over something so little. There's been one vote on me for a real reason and one randomly. If you think I'm worth lynching, maybe you should vote me instead of trying to stir up support.

[Seol]

FOS BrianMcQueso.

Your avatar-switch program is misleading and confusing!

[Flying Dutchman]

Vote: ?YouYou?

Trying to get someone lynched without voting yourself is a standard mafia tactic, since not being on the bandwagon will appear innocent if the person is lynched and turns out innocent.

[Seol]

It doesn't look like there's any claiming or voting strategy that helps us. So let's lynch ?Nameless One? and BrianMcQueso and see where that gets us.

I agree with the first part, at least for now, but - Why those two?

[?Charlie?]

vote: ?YouYou?

I know my ideas have been a bit confusing, and maybe even voteworthy, but I don't think it's worth lynching me over. Your last post makes it seem like you're eager to start a real early bandwagon over something so little. There's been one vote on me for a real reason and one randomly. If you think I'm worth lynching, maybe you should vote me instead of trying to stir up support.

Vote: ?YouYou?

Trying to get someone lynched without voting yourself is a standard mafia tactic, since not being on the bandwagon will appear innocent if the person is lynched and turns out innocent.

Well, I think it's quite scummy ?YouYou?'s post for giving no reason behind the choice of those two names, but you can't really blame him for not putting his vote where his mouth is: he can't vote twice and his vote is on ?Namelessone?.

[????]

Unless he's already half-dead, he CAN vote twice

[Seol]

Vote: ?YouYou?

Trying to get someone lynched without voting yourself is a standard mafia tactic, since not being on the bandwagon will appear innocent if the person is lynched and turns out innocent.

She's* voting one of her nominees, and suggested ?Namelessone? first. Misrepresentation?

FOS: Flying Dutchman.

*: Meme connection, I think of ?YouYou? as female.

[Flying Dutchman]

Unvote: ?YouYou?

Sorry, I missed the vote.

[mepmuff]

Sorry for not posting more people. A site I'm coding for has been hacked, which took quite a bit of my free time. More attention for mafiascum for mafiasum in th week to come.

[BrianMcQueso]

I missed the part where ?YouYou? was voting for their other suspicious target. Nevertheless, I'd prefer a bit of explanation as to why I'm being marked as a candidate for quick lynch, or why that's even being suggested.