Open 263 - The Wild Life [Game Over]

[parknourie]

Some strange debates going on... i have no comment to make nor to follow anyone just yet.
Random vote stays on Andrew meanwhile...

[kunkstar7]

:: VoteCount 1x3 ::

drmyshottyizsik (2) -

silverbullet999, andrew94

andrew94 (4) -

drmyshottyizsik, Erinyes, parknourie, Guthrie

parknourie (0) -
smashbro_of_the_SSS (0) -
silverbullet999 (0) -
Erinyes (2) -

iamusername, Shattered Viewpoint

Broggly (0) -
Shattered Viewpoint (0) -
Guthrie (0) -
jasonT1981 (0) -
chkflip (0) -
iamausername (0) -

Not Voting (4) -

smashbro_of_the_SSS, Broggly, chkflip, jasonT1981

With 12 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline for Day One is November 30, 2010 9:00PM EST.

Replacement search has begun for Broggly.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Andrew = scum, he has admitted it and acted pro mafia all day.
Lets lynch him

[jasonT1981]

vote: Shotty

Anyone pushing an Andrew wagon/lynch is scum. He is the easy wagon, the one scum will jump on to get lynched because of his game style and push the things that others would not look twice at if it was not Andrew... given his reputation scum see him as an easy lynch and will push whatever to secure it.

I know, I did this in the last game I played with Andrew as Scum.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 02&start=0

Andrew has been lynched something like 8 times on day 1 (Andrew, can you back this up.. I forget the exact number you once said).... most of the time flipping town and having scum on his wagon pushing it for stuff exactly like this from what I am lead to believe.

Andrew is town, anyone pushing otherwise is scum. I sure as hell would be doing it too if I was scum.

[drmyshottyizsik]

No jason, the fact is that Andrew basicly claimed scum, RTFT

[jasonT1981]

Actually, lets back things up here... here is Shotty as town when Andrew was acting scummy... he doesnt push a thing on Andrew

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 02&start=0

Same game, only Shotty in ISO..notice nothing

Yes Shotty, I am aware of what Andrew said... but unlike what your saying he did NOT claim scum

mod, your rule number 7, is there an exception, where you can claim your scumbuddies for a chance to win

He asked about exceptions to the rule.... I see no scum claim there yet lets see how many timeas you push Andrew has claimed scum when he actually HAS NOT and asked a question about scum win conditions... Something town might be interested in knowing... but lets look how many times you misrep what he said by claiming he claimed.

There is no breaking strategy!!!!!!
But go aheah try!
Also Andrew you just claimed scum in post 18

Andrew just claimed scum

Andrew stop trying to make it to where to mafia can win easilly you are just hard core claiming mafia

no andrew then wolves would win

also @ SSSoS- yes good times. But also Andrew has already claimed scum and slipped

Andrew = scum, he has admitted it and acted pro mafia all day.
Lets lynch him

No jason, the fact is that Andrew basicly claimed scum, RTFT

SIX times you push Andrew claiming scum.. but lets see what Andrew says again... shall we?

mod, your rule number 7, is there an exception, where you can claim your scumbuddies for a chance to win

That sure as hell aint no scum claim.. thats a question directed to the mod about scum win conditions that are unique to this games ruleset.

Shotty = Scum pushing BS on Andrew who is the easy lynch.. I rest my case.

[drmyshottyizsik]

mod, your rule number 7, is there an exception, where you c

an claim your scumbuddies for a chance to win

Why would he ask the mod if Mafia can claim in order to win if he was town?! Town doesn't want a mafia win.

no,

mafia wins if

the ratio is 1:1:1 or 2:2:2 read the wiki

Once again why would he be asking for a plan that ends in a mafia win if he wasn't mafia

so they can win if we lynch a werewolf and they derp derp lynch townies

AGAIN!!! He wants mafia to win and he wants the mafia to "derp derp lynch townies".
There is no pro town motives here.

@ mod, what if there is 2 werewolves 2 mafia and 1 townie left? or something similar

it would make sense to claim mafia!

Here he is vehemently arguing with the mod so that he can use a pro mafia strategy!!! WTF people read this! Why would he be fighting for this so hard if he didn't want mafia to be able to do it and win!

and mod, i have seen serial killer claims before... and even mafia claims where the serial killer is bulletproof.

mod if the ratio is equal of werewolves and mafia with no town role, mafia wins

Why would he be pointing out how the mafia could win with his strategy unless he was mafia!?

read the wiki
at 1 1 1 mafia wins

thats why my plan is valid as it forces the scums to mantain balance

He admits that he wants the scum to control the game!!!!!

This is all that Andrew said, not just that one post!
The bolded parts are what make him mafia.

[jasonT1981]

no... what he is saying is it forces scum to maintain balance... as in try not to get lynched because when they lose members they are fucked....I see no scum claim or wanting scum to win. Your really strawmanning this arguement.

He is asking questions of the setup and how various factions can win or lose.. thats town play to me...no where is he saying he wants mafia to win or nowhere does he claim mafia..

All those bolded is pointing out setup issues or asking questions to the mod about the setup.. thats not scummy.. pushing that it is scummy... is in itself scummy as you are completly misrepping and twisting what has been said..

DIE SCUM DIE!

[drmyshottyizsik]

His plan is scummy!
It ends in a mafia win!!!!!!!!!!!!

[parknourie]

drmyshottyizsik's boldified quote under his posts are quite confusing. Fix it? or I might vote you again.

[drmyshottyizsik]

What?

[andrew94]

^shotty.

basically i am saying that the scums have to maintain equilibrim, so mafia have incentive to claim at my plan.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Is there any out come that isn't a wolf or mafia victory in your plan???
no!

[andrew94]

look, town gets more chance to win if the mafia claim. if the mafia claim, they also get a bit more chance to win. screw the werewolves. so mafia will claim, but overall town gets more chance to win

[Guthrie]

I just don't get why would mafia claim. They would sacrifice themselves to give town a better chance at winning??

[Shattered Viewpoint]

@jason: are you saying that andrew is more of a policy lynch/easy lynch than drshotty? If that IS what you're saying, can you somehow align that with, like, reality?

[jasonT1981]

@jason: are you saying that andrew is more of a policy lynch/easy lynch than drshotty? If that IS what you're saying, can you somehow align that with, like, reality?

Yes, Andrew has been lynched something like 7/8 times I believe he once said as town on day 1 due to his playstyle. Therefor is an easy lynch for scum to try and push.

[Shattered Viewpoint]

Nice answer to half the question. What is your experience playing with drmyshottyizsik?

[jasonT1981]

played with him a few times, note the game i linked Shotty was town and did not go after Andrew even though he was playing this exact same way... Scum did however I was scum in that game... now Shotty is going after Andrew for similar things that scum went after him for in the last game yet Shotty didn't as town.

therefor I believe Shotty is scum

[chkflip]

Vote: silverbullet999

Because of werewolves and stuff.

[silverbullet999]

Damn it chk shh!

my avatar (i mean cmon.. he's a lil puppy!) has nothing to do with my role.. i swear!

[chkflip]

^Obvious scum tell.

[silverbullet999]

Foiled again by that no good cruel chkflip...

[jasonT1981]

Somewhat very ironic..

Silver bullets kill wearwolves and Silverbullet has a wolf in the picture..

Its obivious he is town with a name like that and his picture is telling us what he wants to kill

/towntell

[Shattered Viewpoint]

Are you

high?