Open 261: VasudeVa's Vengeful Villa (Town Win)

[VasudeVa]

Open 261 - Vengeful

Vitals still viable:

MagnaofIllusion

andrew94

jmj3000

charter

Bolded are confirmed

Vapid Victims:

FarCry lynched D1. He was the

Mafia Godfather.

[VasudeVa]

VasudeVa's Ruleset

On Gameplay

• 1. I have the final say in any form of dispute. Refusal to accept is a modkillable offense
  2. Although I am the moderator, I am not infallible. Feel free to point out any mistake by PMing me or by a bolded message in thread
  3. The moderator lieks
  Bolded Green
  or
  Bolded Blue
  (more specifically, #00BF00 and #0000FF). Don't use them. This is a modkillable offense.
  4. All game-related communication between the mod and players STAY between that mod and that player. This is a modkillable offense.
  5. All game-related communication between players STAY in the thread
  unless specifically stated in the Role PMs
  . This is a modkillable offense.
  6. Falsifying the mod is a modkillable offense. I am the sole judge of whether I have been falsified or not.
  7. Small or invisible text as a secret communication is disallowed. Small text may be allowed if they are readable by the mod though.
  8. Loopholes are bad and pretty dick-ish. Modkills ensue.
  9. Modkills revert the player's role into a Neutral Survivor, then die therefore autolossing themselves the game.

On Voting, Activity and Deadlines

• 1. Please aim to post at least once a day. (The more the merrier!)
  2. V/LAs are to be announced in thread.
  3. Players who don't post before 48 hours are to be prodded. Players may request prods on a specific player via a bolded message in thread.
  4. A 'three strikes and you're out' rule on prods and replacement is enforced. That is, three prods and you're force replaced
  5. This game has one week deadlines at the beggining of each game day. Keep in mind that your mod is a busy man on a weird time slot(GMT +9) so I may be a little flexible on this. There will be deadline countdowns to help enforce this.
  6. Votes/Unvotes may be done either by bolding your Votes or using Vote tags like: VOTE: Vas. Usernames may be shortened but it has to be easily discernible.
  7. Unvotes are nice but not required.
  8. Lynches need a majority to go through. No lynches need 50% of the votes.
  9. No Lynches at deadlines without a full lynch majority.
  10. Once you're dead, you stay dead.
  12. The Lynched may speak during Twilight (ie. before the mod posts the death scene). Once the death scene has been posted, s/he may no longer post.
  13. No Bah! Posts.
  14. Play to Win!

Vengeful Mechanics

• 1. This game is
  Nightless
  . The
  Mafia
  have no nightkill inherent to their faction, they may only kill by lynches.
  2.
  Townies
  lynched on Day 1 may send a Vengekill on a player by posting:
  Vengekill: TARGET
  
  3. Town wins if the
  Godfather
  is lynched D1. This does not work if the
  Godfather
  is vengekilled.

[VasudeVa]

Available Roles

The setup consists of the following:

• 3x
  Townies
  
  1x
  Mafia Goon
  
  1x
  Mafia Godfather

Role PMs

Townie Role PM

Player

, You are a

Vengeful Townie

. You have only your vote and your voice to eliminate the scum in your midst!

In the event that you are Lynched D1,

and only D1

, you may submit a kill on any player you want to by posting

Vengekill: Target

in thread.

You win if the

Mafia

are eliminated, or if the

Godfather

is

Lynched

D1.

Game Topic is here

Please confirm by PMing me your rolename.

Goon Role PM

Player

, You are a

Mafia Goon

, scumming along side <Partner>, your

Mafia Godfather

. Welp, Godfather orders you to kill these Townies. Orders are orders, right? If only you guys had guns...

You only have your voice and your vote.

You win when the

Mafia

outnumber the Town or nothing can prevent the same.

Keep in mind, if your

Godfather

is Lynched D1, you also lose. (If he is vengekilled though, you may continue)

Game Topic is here

You may talk to members of your Mafia in this QT at

anytime

as long as you both are alive. (URL Goes here.)

Please confirm by PMing me your rolename.

Godfather Role PM

Player

, You are the

Mafia GodFather

scumming alongside <Partner> who is your

Mafia Goon

. What the hell are these do gooders doing in your Villa? They must be killed...err...

ohshitisthataGUN?

... Hmm.. it seems you must outnumber them first so you can ensue an old fashioned

beatdown

!

You only have your voice and your vote.

You win when the

Mafia

outnumber the Town or nothing can prevent the same.

You are the

Godfather

. If you are Lynched D1, your pathetic goon can't handle the job. (Although if you are vengekilled, He may continue.)

Game Topic is here

You may talk to members of your Mafia in this QT at

anytime

as long as both of you are alive. (URL Goes here.)

Please confirm by PMing me your rolename.

[VasudeVa]

Vote Count 1.0

Players still alive and voting!

MagnaofIllusion -

[L-3]

Far_Cry -

[L-3]

andrew94 -

[L-3]

jmj3000 -

[L-3]

charter -

[L-3]

Not Voting: MagnaofIllusion, Far_Cry, andrew94, jmj3000, charter

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to Lynch

Deadline Countdown

Day One ends: at October 26, 2010 4 p.m. GMT+8

It is now Day 1

Players, feel free to post!

[andrew94]

fos jmj3000

for not giving spoilers in dead quicktopic wahhhhh

[MagnaofIllusion]

VOTE: andrew94 for using a FOS instead of actually voting.

I'd like to bring a few points for discussion to the table -

1. Despite this being a Vengeful let's try not to rush through at Mach speed, shall we? My last Vengeful (234) was very quick and didn't end well as a consequence.
2. If any of you are not familar enough with Vengefuls keep this in mind - any lynch on a Town must have at least one Scum on the wagon. I know it seems obvious but I've had people ask for claims in these games before so it is worth putting out there.

[charter]

If scum get caught, they get lynched. No need to pussyfoot around just because they may have been caught on page three.

Andrew, have you played in a vengeful before?

Right now I'm pretty suspicious of Magna because his discussion points are actually just a bunch of muck that town is going to have to swim through (I realize that I fueled this a little bit, but I feel quite strongly his 1 is wrong). Not voting at this time, however.

[charter]

That being said, it also looks like Magna is giving a serious reason for voting, and that reason is bad.

[andrew94]

are you serious magna?
this is lylo, the scum can just quickhammerz and vs kills the hammerer and we go into day 2 with 3 p pl with NOTHING MAN

and so for my rvs, i use fos.


havent played in vengeful

[Far_Cry]

Hmmm. So we already have some serious discussion. That's what I like about a setup like vengeful.

VOTE: andrew94 for using a FOS instead of actually voting.

I'd like to bring a few points for discussion to the table -

1. Despite this being a Vengeful let's try not to rush through at Mach speed, shall we? My last Vengeful (234) was very quick and didn't end well as a consequence.
2. If any of you are not familar enough with Vengefuls keep this in mind - any lynch on a Town must have at least one Scum on the wagon. I know it seems obvious but I've had people ask for claims in these games before so it is worth putting out there.

1. So you're saying we should play things nice and slow. But your vote seems to contradict that IMO. Anyways, what exactly makes this game different from others? I mean, why are we supposed to "not rush it" and play slowly in vengeful? I think the same advice goes for any other game. Therefore, this is somewhat of a nothing statement to me.

2. This too, is quite a "duh" statement. Look, I see with this statement (and the last) that you are trying to avoid any sort of problems and/or mistakes. But how is this bringing discussion to the table, as you said? I don't see anything beneficial in this post that will help further play, other than making you more suspicious. I'm not impressed.

Right now I'm pretty suspicious of Magna because his discussion points are actually just a bunch of muck that town is going to have to swim through (I realize that I fueled this a little bit, but I feel quite strongly his 1 is wrong). Not voting at this time, however.

What exactly do you mean by "muck to swim through?"

are you serious magna?
this is lylo, the scum can just quickhammerz and vs kills the hammerer and we go into day 2 with 3 p pl with NOTHING MAN

Wait, what? There is only one vote on the table at this point. Your above scenario won't come into reality unless somebody gets a second vote. So I'm not getting what you are trying to say.

[jmj3000]

Vengeful has 5 players, meaning 3 to lynch. MoI putting his vote down already is dangerous, as unless he is one of the scum, the scum can come in and throw down two votes to finish the day. However, if they do that, then they have painted themselves with a nice, bug, "VENGE KILL ME PLEASE!" target.

1. So you're saying we should play things nice and slow. But your vote seems to contradict that IMO. Anyways, what exactly makes this game different from others? I mean, why are we supposed to "not rush it" and play slowly in vengeful? I think the same advice goes for any other game. Therefore, this is somewhat of a nothing statement to me.

True about going slow and being methodical with your lynches should be the same in every game, but most other games have 2 or 3 mislynches before town is in danger of losing. In a vengeful, one mislynch can lose the game for town. Therefore, we have to be extra careful.

[Far_Cry]

1. So you're saying we should play things nice and slow. But your vote seems to contradict that IMO. Anyways, what exactly makes this game different from others? I mean, why are we supposed to "not rush it" and play slowly in vengeful? I think the same advice goes for any other game. Therefore, this is somewhat of a nothing statement to me.

True about going slow and being methodical with your lynches should be the same in every game, but most other games have 2 or 3 mislynches before town is in danger of losing. In a vengeful, one mislynch can lose the game for town. Therefore, we have to be extra careful.

I understand what you are saying, but MoI didn't state it this way, did he?

[andrew94]

err but even if the guy who got hammered was venge killed

the next day theres 3 ppl, with absolutely no discussion

[Far_Cry]

err but even if the guy who got hammered was venge killed

the next day theres 3 ppl, with absolutely no discussion

What case are you talking about? If two scum quickly jump on a wagon they are obviously screwed. And I doubt any town player would jump on a wagon so soon without info.

[andrew94]

ok..

imagine if i used an actual vote on jmj as a random vote

soneone jumps on

someone hanmers

obs if jmj is townie the hammer guy dies.
but we dont know if they person who jumps on or the first person is suspiciojus,..
get it>

[MagnaofIllusion]

are you serious magna?
this is lylo, the scum can just quickhammerz and vs kills the hammerer and we go into day 2 with 3 p pl with NOTHING MAN

I’m quite serious. Vengeful games are quite a different animal. Regardless of whether the situation is LYLO the ability of all Town players Day 1 to enact a Vengeful kill makes scum quicklynching to be a suicidal and stupid play.

Your reaction that borders on fear mongering isn’t the reaction I’d expect from Town. Your posts at 12 and 14 are continuations of that fear mongering. You are asserting a very unlikely scenario.

1. So you're saying we should play things nice and slow.

But your vote seems to contradict that IMO.

Anyways, what exactly makes this game different from others? I mean, why are we supposed to "not rush it" and play slowly in vengeful? I think the same advice goes for any other game. Therefore, this is somewhat of a nothing statement to me.

1. My statement was a warning against running through Day 1 and 2 in less than 10 hours. There is no harm in having a Day 1 that lasts long enough for people to make a reasonable assessment of relationships based on voting.

The bolded portion is incorrect. Laying down a vote in no way means I am attempting to rush the Day. It is the first real vote on someone and is providing good reactions by which to judge alignments.

Vengeful has 5 players, meaning 3 to lynch. MoI putting his vote down already is dangerous, as unless he is one of the scum, the scum can come in and throw down two votes to finish the day. However, if they do that, then they have painted themselves with a nice, bug, "VENGE KILL ME PLEASE!" target.

So you are saying that a first vote is dangerous because of the chance of a quick-lynch by scum but then saying that said quick-lynch would result in scum basically outing themselves.

Under the scenario my vote can’t be dangerous to Town if it results in both scum outing themselves.

[andrew94]

we have no idea if 1st or 2nd person on wagon is scum

[MagnaofIllusion]

we have no idea if 1st or 2nd person on wagon is scum

Let’s revisit your first statement –

this is lylo, the scum can just quickhammerz and vs kills the hammerer and we go into day 2 with 3 p pl with NOTHING MAN

Fact – there is a single vote in the game right now. My vote for you.

For scum to ‘just quickhammerz’ they would have to both add a vote to you.

Otherwise your scenario would require a Town player to place a second vote for scum to quickhammerz. But your initial post doesn’t indicate that scum “can quickhammerz” after a second vote is placed. One vote appears and you cry "Quick Lynch, quick lynch".

In summary your follow-up statement doesn’t connect with your initial stament.

But please answer the following question –

Why are you so worried about a quicklynch when everyone else in the game has posted and not a single other vote has been cast?

[Far_Cry]

I'm null on Andrew at this point with his faulty ideas (in fact, ideas that make just about no sense.) But I would like him to answer MoI's question.

1. So you're saying we should play things nice and slow.

But your vote seems to contradict that IMO.

Anyways, what exactly makes this game different from others? I mean, why are we supposed to "not rush it" and play slowly in vengeful? I think the same advice goes for any other game. Therefore, this is somewhat of a nothing statement to me.

1. My statement was a warning against running through Day 1 and 2 in less than 10 hours. There is no harm in having a Day 1 that lasts long enough for people to make a reasonable assessment of relationships based on voting.

The bolded portion is incorrect. Laying down a vote in no way means I am attempting to rush the Day. It is the first real vote on someone and is providing good reactions by which to judge alignments.

Well, I see what you're saying about not running the game so quickly. But that applies for virtually every single game. And as for that second sentence (about it not being harmful in having a long Day 1): why are you saying this? I never proposed doing the opposite of what you suggested and rushing the game. So this once again, is a statement that means nothing.

As for your second point, why do you call it a "real vote?" You voted andrew because he used an FoS instead of a vote, but you failed to back this up in any way. Thus I assumed your vote was random.

[andrew94]

u want me to answer what question? i see no question in that quote u provided

[Far_Cry]

u want me to answer what question? i see no question in that quote u provided

The question came from MoI:

Why are you so worried about a quicklynch when everyone else in the game has posted and not a single other vote has been cast?

Answer it please.

[charter]

Vote Far Cry

About 95% sure he's scum with the extreme passiveness in his posting so far. Pretty sure he's commented on everyone so far, but has avoided actually saying anything about everyone. Doing an inordinate amount of active lurking. I find it impossible to believe he's town and posted as much as he has and hasn't formed an opinion on anyone.

Amazingly, I find Andrew's hyperparanoia about being quickhammered null right now. On the one hand, he might freak out if he's the GF, on the other, he could be town who has his panties in a bunch. There isn't much pointing in one direction or another, but my gut says he's slightly town, since being at L-2 when you need all three townies to vote you if you're the GF isn't much of a reason to freak.

I'm also finding jmj suspicious, as his post said a bunch of nothing everyone didn't already know AND agreed with something Farcryscum said.

Magna, I question if you know anything about vengefuls. You say scum quickhammering would be suicidal, when scum quickhammering early in a game in just about any game (especially page one in vengefuls) is good play. Like 1000 times better strategy if the GF can get vengekilled and the goon has done even the slightest distancing. It would be unwinnable for town if goon was voting the GF, and GF quickhammered.

All this said, Magna is slightly scummy, mostly null to me right now. I disagree with a lot of what he's saying, but I feel that he believes what he's saying, and isn't trying to pull one over on us. Whether or not he believes that as scum or town, I'm not sure. But what I am sure on is Far Cry being scum.

Magna and Andrew, your read on Far Cry right now?

preview edit. His last post cements it. My vote is only going to move if I can determine the scumteam and who the GF is. At this point, not sure, but I am sure FarCry is scum.

[andrew94]

quicklynch of a townie = the hammerer getting killed

but the hammerer can say 'o i ddint realise L1' he might not be vengekilled...
so mafia can win

if he gets vengekilled
its wifom on the 2nd person OR THE 1ST PERSON.
with little or no info.


@charter. scum doesnt lose if gf dies to vengekill

[charter]

I know. I'm saying scum would most likely win if the GF gets vengekilled and the goon voted the GF or did some other kind of distancing.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Well, I see what you're saying about not running the game so quickly. But that applies for virtually every single game.

If are suggesting that either –

1. MS games have a history of rushing Day 1.
2. or the Vengeful games are not significantly different enough to warrant the clarification

then I disagree with you completely.

As for your second point, why do you call it a "real vote?" You voted andrew because he used an FoS instead of a vote, but you failed to back this up in any way. Thus I assumed your vote was random.

It’s a real vote for the reasons I stated – FOS in a Vengeful game is pointless. Vengefuls don’t run like regular Mafia games with a cute little RVS period. Do these questions actually make you think I am scum?

Magna and Andrew, your read on Far Cry right now?

Looking at FarCry in ISO (which is sort of comical since we don’t even have 1 page yet) –

0 – Lots of questions to three different players. Offers up the opinion that my questions are ‘duh’ statements.
1 – Fluff response to JMJ
2 – Asks Andrew about his quick-hammer thoughts.
3 – States he is null on Andrew. More questions related to my vote and initial questions.
4 – Directs Andrew to answer a question from me.

The only real assertion that even closely resembles an opinion is his suggestion that Andrew is Null. His interactions are weakest with Jmj.

He certainly may be scum but looking at Andrew and JMJ I’m not solidly convinced.

I don’t share your null leaning Town opinion on Andrew simply because his entire ISO is filled with the following

ISO 0 – FOS
Remaining ISOs – AHHH quicklynch alert AHHH.

Not anything remotely looking like questioning there and nothing in the way of an opinion on anyone’s alignment.

Jmj has exactly one post and it is filled mostly with set-up jargon.

@Charter

– If FarCry is scum, who do you think is likely to be his Partner?

@FarCry, Andrew, and JMJ

– All three of you have 24 hours to make a post that takes a stand on who your most likely scum candidates are.