Mini 1040 - Everyone's A Critic! [Game Over]

[Stef]

right isn't not scummy either, myk did you really find stef suspicious?

I know but it was the only thing that struck me as scummy about him. Sometimes wrong = scummy, sometimes it doesn't. This looked like an instance when it would. Anyway.

[XScorpion]

Jack and jelly please unvote and vote for someone else or explain why self-voting is pro-town.

[danakillsu]

^^This.

[jelly jiggler]

Your right I totally forgot to unvote.

unvote

I'll have something to say when I get back.

[mykonian]

I don't see wrong as scummy here

Normally it isn't. However, when pointed out where you are wrong, trying to be consistent, while no more arguing from a point where you believe someone is scum is scummy.

Just ask yourself this: why did Stef post these two posts. He didn't have a scumread from other posts yet. His point is not "myk is trying to make a scumbuddy a confirmed townie", no it is "myk is trying to confirm someone he shouldn't". He is arguing I'm wrong, not that I'm scum.

With this, it suddenly becomes suspicious that he "tunnels" right away, as he has no scumread backing it up. While when it is pointed out he is wrong, he doesn't change anything.

Because I left this post standing for a while, I'll react to the later posts in the next one.

[Jack]

He is arguing I'm wrong, not that I'm scum.

This is what human reason evolved to do:

Short abstract (95 words).
Reasoning is generally seen as a mean to improve knowledge and make better decisions. Much
evidence, however, shows that reasoning often leads to epistemic distortions and poor decisions.
This suggests rethinking the function of reasoning. Our hypothesis is that the function of reasoning is
argumentative. It is to devise and evaluate arguments intended to persuade. Reasoning so conceived
is adaptive given human exceptional dependence on communication and vulnerability to
misinformation. A wide range of evidence in the psychology or reasoning and decision making can be
reinterpreted and better explained in the light of this hypothesis.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... NQ&cad=rja

[mykonian]

Serious question for mykonian. Why is a wagon on XScorpion scummy, whereas a wagon on any of the other players is not?

Reputation

right isn't not scummy either, myk did you really find stef suspicious?

after calling out I was wrong? no
after continuing and using the words "modwifom" which is supposedly bad, and using that to continue that he was "right" which is just an easy way for scum to keep arguing without saying anything? yes.

oh, and backing off doesn't change anything to what happened.

omgus vote Stef

You are assuming a totally unbalanced setup and a possibly pointless mechanic from Kunkstar and his reviewer (who both aren't stupid), just to justify your vote on me. You are the scum here.

Can you explain this paragraph?

my excuses.

Stef assumes that the mod and his reviewer would make a ridiculous inbalanced setup. 2 kills for the mafia would be ridiculously imbalanced. Further, the mechanic would be pointless if mafia had it from the start: there would be no gambling with passing the vig.

This all means that Stef assumes the mod to be a complete moron. He did this, so his vote on me made sense, as I would have been wrong (if those assumptions held)

[mykonian]

He is arguing I'm wrong, not that I'm scum.

This is what human reason evolved to do:

Short abstract (95 words).
Reasoning is generally seen as a mean to improve knowledge and make better decisions. Much
evidence, however, shows that reasoning often leads to epistemic distortions and poor decisions.
This suggests rethinking the function of reasoning. Our hypothesis is that the function of reasoning is
argumentative. It is to devise and evaluate arguments intended to persuade. Reasoning so conceived
is adaptive given human exceptional dependence on communication and vulnerability to
misinformation. A wide range of evidence in the psychology or reasoning and decision making can be
reinterpreted and better explained in the light of this hypothesis.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... NQ&cad=rja

Jack, nice abstract. Do you agree that on ms, you are trying to convince others that someone is scum? (that is, if you are town).

Most reasonings start in a "Stef is scum, because ..."

stef started with a "myk is wrong because". He is arguing, but not hunting for scum (at least, that was not the first thing on his mind)

[Jack]

In the initial post he said you were trying to set up false townie confirmations. That would make you scum, wouldn't it? And he says he's fos'ing scorp, but that you are bigger fish, aka a bigger FOS.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Serious question for mykonian. Why is a wagon on XScorpion scummy, whereas a wagon on any of the other players is not?

Reputation

That's a fair enough point, but your vote on me makes no logical sense. I've never played with XScorpion before and I know absolutely nothing about him. Also, if you honestly believe that a wagon on XScorpion was scummy, wouldn't it make sense to vote for one of the people who turned it into a random wagon?

Would you have voted for the first person to vote for XScorpion in the RVS stage regardless of who it was?

[Jack]

Scum:
XScorpion
Antihero

I think I get why you put XScorp there, but why Antihero?

Why did he put xscorp on there, I can't tell.

Vote: MagnaofIllusion

for being the last to make a post.

He's v/la on weekends I tihnk.

[mykonian]

weird. I thought the "you know why" showed you knew him well enough.

I usually wait a little time to vote, as to make my vote not completely random (which is something I hate). My first post always provides content though. If nothing else would come up, I would vote for the person at the start of the Scorpion bandwagon, as that would give less trouble later. (scum wouldn't be accused of bandwagonning, wouldn't need reasons to start a wagon, and wouldn't get in the spot where they were accused of forcing through a mislynch) Sitting at the start of the scorpion wagon without actually having to fuel the wagon is by far the best spot for scum to be in this game (where no other players with a reputation of being an easy lynch are playing)


Don't want to insult you scorpion. It probably has already become a selffulfilling profecy that you are an easy lynch

[Stef]

Just ask yourself this: why did Stef post these two posts. He didn't have a scumread from other posts yet. His point is not "myk is trying to make a scumbuddy a confirmed townie", no it is "myk is trying to confirm someone he shouldn't". He is arguing I'm wrong, not that I'm scum.

Your interpretation of what I wrote =/= my intention. If I am not specific ask for clarification. Otherwise it's just a misrep. I never implied that I didn't think you were scummy for using wrong logic. Being wrong can be intentional if your stake is that others won't pick up on it or will be as wrong as you are. I voted for you because to me it looked like you were preparing as scum gambit to confirm one of your partners/yourself D1.

Once I understood that you were right the whole scumminess of what you did disappeared and pending other scummy things I have no reason to keep voting for you.

[Haschel Cedricson]

If nothing else would come up, I would vote for the person at the start of the Scorpion bandwagon, as that would give less trouble later.

Why would you be concerned about your vote giving trouble later?

[XScorpion]

you know why

No, I don't. Explain now.

[Haschel Cedricson]

you know why

No, I don't. Explain now.

Wait, you're only addressing this now?

[Jack]

Scorp you still happy with your vote on stef?

[XScorpion]

Don't want to insult you scorpion. It probably has already become a selffulfilling profecy that you are an easy lynch

I haven't played with anyone on my wagon except danakillsu and stef (who i haven't finished a game with). How many of them do you think are voting me based on my reputation?

Wait, you're only addressing this now?

Were you serious or not? If you weren't serious then feel free to not answer, but if you were, explain.

Scorp you still happy with your vote on stef?

He's not giving any reason for voting me, so yeah I like my vote.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Were you serious or not? If you weren't serious then feel free to not answer, but if you were, explain.

Oh, I was absolutely serious that you knew why.

[XScorpion]

I don't, so explain.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Think about it. Why might I vote for you?

[XScorpion]

For the lulz?

[Haschel Cedricson]

Not quite; any lulz are a byproduct of the actual reason.

You're on the right track, though.

[XScorpion]

For great lulz?

[mykonian]

If nothing else would come up, I would vote for the person at the start of the Scorpion bandwagon, as that would give less trouble later.

Why would you be concerned about your vote giving trouble later?

It would mean less trouble for scum, sitting at the start of the bandwagon. I explained this further in that post. Sorry for the weird sentences. It is getting a little late, and when I am trying to type something quickly, things are going wrong, and it becomes hard to understand.