Mini 1040 - Everyone's A Critic! [Game Over]

[mykonian]

good, people have noticed you aren't the most experienced player.

Now, if you want a full theory discussion why selfvoting is not the best choice, please go to md. Further, you might also want to think if this really was random (or if you had a thought with it, which you kept hidden). If you like philosofy, you might want to do that. It should keep you busy for at least an hour.

Please play the game.

[XScorpion]

jelly get your hypocrisy outta my FACE

[kunkstar7]

:: VoteCount 1x1 ::

Antihero (1) -

DavidParker

MagnaofIllusion (0) -
RedCoyote (0) -
danakillsu (0) -
Jack (0) -
Haschel Cedricson (1) -

mykonian

jelly jiggler (2) -

Antihero, jelly jiggler

XScorpion (3) -

Haschel Cedricson, danakillsu, Jack

Stef (1) -

Xscorpion

imaginality (0) -
mykonian (0) -
DavidParker (1) -

Stef

Not Voting (3) -

MagnaofIllusion, RedCoyote, imaginality

With 12 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

September 19, 2010 5:00PM EST.

[mykonian]

Mykonian, I think you're taking them too seriously. The rest of town is in RVS, even if you aren't.

Theory discussion.

Why are we in RVS. To start the game.
what is the game? hunting scum and scum hiding.
what do we do in RVS? starting to hunt scum, or starting to hide.


Are you scum?

[Jack]

Scorpion, vote yourself please, I want to see something.

[XScorpion]

Are you scum?

Am I hiding? Doesn't look like it to me.

Scorpion, vote yourself please, I want to see something.

Too bad.

[Jack]

Are you scum?

Am I hiding? Doesn't look like it to me.

That's not...that's not what he...

Scorpion, vote yourself please, I want to see something.

Too bad.

Don't be a spoilsport

unvote, vote:jack

ok?

[XScorpion]

That's not...that's not what he...

My answer to both questions is "doesn't look like it to me," in case you were confused.

[jelly jiggler]

Now, if you want a full theory discussion why selfvoting is not the best choice, please go to md.

I'd rather not, why don't you fill me in on this though.

[RedCoyote]

I agree with mykonian's opening post. That's good thinking. Jack also has a good point about the two mafia thing, but I wouldn't up and write off a three man scumteam.

Scum:
XScorpion
Antihero

I think I get why you put XScorp there, but why Antihero?

Vote: MagnaofIllusion

for being the last to make a post.

[Stef]

2. if scum would get the Vig ability, they would pass it around the team, thereby creating a second mafia kill. The mechanic would be useless, and almost never 2 mafia kills are balanced in a mini, so the current Vig is a townie.

tomorrow, the first thing this "vig" must do, is claim that he was the vig the first day. He is from then on a confirmed townie

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3.

[*]

A clarification of Action Resolution:

The passing of the Vigilante ability onto another player occurs last in the series. Therefore, a kill targeted at the owner of the ability on night start will successfully eliminate the ability.

2. Hmmm...

Following the use of the Vigilante ability (or lack thereof), the current holder must select

a player

to pass the ability on to.

The ability will then move on to the selected player for their use.

The Vigilante Ability stacks with any ability you may have in your original Role PM.

What you are saying could look like you are trying to set-up false townie confirmations. Just saying.

Unvote Parker, Vote mykonian

Scorp get's just a fos for now but we got bigger fish to fry right now.

[XScorpion]

I don't see what you're getting at. How would it be a false confirmed townie?

[mykonian]

stef, please read it again.

You are missing that I'd like today's vig, after he has passed his ability on, to claim.

[mykonian]

to clarify what you are missing, seen your post:

2. if scum would get the Vig ability, they would pass it around the team, thereby creating a second mafia kill. The mechanic would be useless, and almost never 2 mafia kills are balanced in a mini, so the

current

Vig is a townie.

tomorrow, the first thing this "vig" must do, is claim that he was the vig the first day. He is from then on a confirmed townie

.

[Haschel Cedricson]

is this the "vote xscorpion till the game blows" game?

sorry, I'm not playing. I'll give you a hint. What you want, is to make xscorpion the

second

bandwagon target. By then, he has usually done something that could be explaned as scummy. Bandwagoning him then will make the case grow, discusion starts, everybody happy.

But starting with xscorpion is opportunistic. Scum knows he has trouble at the start of the game, so they will vote him right away. This is easy, and scum hopes this sets them up for an easy day.

VOTE: haschel

Hey mykonian, I have a question I've always wanted to know. What's it like?

[Stef]

He's using nothing but mod wifom (scum couldn't possibly get two night kills because that would be unblanced) to state that any person who has been the vig is a townie.
1. Most Mini games are unbalanced and biased towards scum, even after they are reviewed.
2. You don't know the rest of the PRs in the game.
3. You have no way of knowing if the Vig role hasn't been assigned completely random for today.

By what the mod is telling us the vig can be scum as well as town because he repeatedly used the word "player". By what mykonian is telling us,

tomorrow, the first thing this "vig" must do, is claim that he was the vig the first day. He is from then on a confirmed townie.

Therefore my problem with what he's saying. He is outguessing the mod and using that guess to call the D1 vig a confirmed townie.

Preview edit:
I've read what you are saying. You are still wrong for the reasons above.

[XScorpion]

Two kills a night for scum seems like a pretty far stretch though.

[mykonian]

He's using nothing but mod wifom (scum couldn't possibly get two night kills because that would be unblanced) to state that any person who has been the vig is a townie.
1. Most Mini games are unbalanced and biased towards scum, even after they are reviewed.
2. You don't know the rest of the PRs in the game.
3. You have no way of knowing if the Vig role hasn't been assigned completely random for today.

By what the mod is telling us the vig can be scum as well as town because he repeatedly used the word "player". By what mykonian is telling us,

tomorrow, the first thing this "vig" must do, is claim that he was the vig the first day. He is from then on a confirmed townie.

Therefore my problem with what he's saying. He is outguessing the mod and using that guess to call the D1 vig a confirmed townie.

Preview edit:
I've read what you are saying. You are still wrong for the reasons above.

So you assume that the mod would let his mechanic being ruined by accidentaly giving it to scum (who would then pass it on between them)

In stead of letting town have it at first and see if they could pass it on between them or if scum would look town enough?

omgus vote Stef

You are assuming a totally unbalanced setup and a possibly pointless mechanic from Kunkstar and his reviewer (who both aren't stupid), just to justify your vote on me. You are the scum here.

[mykonian]

Two kills a night for scum seems like a pretty far stretch though.

and it would make the mechanic pointless (nobody would have to guess who to pass the vig to, as scum know each other)

Stef is assuming a situation which isn't there, just to

justify

his vote on me.

[Jack]

I don't see wrong as scummy here

[Haschel Cedricson]

Serious question for mykonian. Why is a wagon on XScorpion scummy, whereas a wagon on any of the other players is not?

[Stef]

Hmm... I was wrong. Scum having the vig ability would mean they could just pass it on among themselves and thus completely breaking the game. Mykonian is therefore probably right and not scummy for that post.

Unvote, Vote Scorp

[Jack]

right isn't not scummy either, myk did you really find stef suspicious?

[Antihero]

I don't see wrong as scummy here

True, if anything is suspicious on Stef's part here, it would be trying to start a distracting, stupid theory debate. Preview Edit: Stef backed off, never mind.

Speaking of distracting, stupid theory debates:

I'd rather not, why don't you fill me in on this though.

No

[Haschel Cedricson]

omgus vote Stef

You are assuming a totally unbalanced setup and a possibly pointless mechanic from Kunkstar and his reviewer (who both aren't stupid), just to justify your vote on me. You are the scum here.

Can you explain this paragraph?