Mini 1000: The Brave and the Beautiful (Game Over)

[Muffin]

Well, I mean, you clearly knew you'd been shot at (you wouldn't forget THAT), and you think Kast is scum, so you must have a reason for it. Are you saying you don't, really, or that you hadn't noticed the discrepancy?

@ all -- If I'm overlooking something obvious, feel free to clue me in.

Edit:

a) Shotty claimed he ran out of kills. You think the SK is going to sit on his hands until endgame? (The point is to remind you of this detail.)
b) By "killed" I mean targeted. If there were 2 kills N3, they would've have to have both been blocked, which would've meant targeting Furco (he hid) and MoI (I protected him).

(But that "b" bit is a mistake on my part, because Shotty had run out of kills by N3, so that bit is irrelevant.)

Alternatively scum and vig/sk both targeted MoI who you protected.

[Muffin]

I'll summarize the relevant bit for you again:

1. Muffin claims someone shot him N2.
2. Shotty/Kast claims he shot Muffin N2.
3. Ythan died N2.

Doesn't this imply that Shotty isn't mafia, unless vig/SK killed Ythan or Muffin/Kast are scum together?

You're correct, it implies shotty is not mafia but it doesn't clear him from being SK.

[Muffin]

@MoI/Muffin-
-What do you think about Shotty-SK claiming that he has no more kills?

Easy enough to simply no-action for a night. Alternatively he could have been blocked and then played it off as being "out of kills".

I recognize that the "shot" death flavor would be revealing if it appeared later, after shotty had claimed he was out of kills.

[Muffin]

If MoI is telling the truth, then this is a careless paraphrase:

Any abilities used on Neto during the Night would also be used on the target.

His current claim is essentially:

Any non-kill abilities used on Neto during the Night would also be used on the target. If Neto dies, the target will also die with "destroyed" as the death flavor.

The simple fact is that you don't KNOW that the "shot" flavour would carry over to the grapple target. You're just assuming.

[Muffin]

I've just received a PM from RC indicating that that last N3 PM may have been sent to everyone. That is, I may not have gotten a flavor PM at all on account of using Protect rather than an Investigative ability.

So, you can look at your D4 start PMs to probably see what I'm talking about in terms of the GoW allusion.

Waiting to get confirmation that the first bit of it wasn't personalized for me.

I got a similar PM but didn't make the connection to Gears of War. Mine was only 3 lines long.

[Muffin]

-Shotty received a Night 2 Results PM which included flavor that stated Chun Li's room had an evil smell, though Chun Li herself had nothing evil or anything that indicated her of being evil.

Why did shotty receive a results PM involving Chun Li's room if shotty was at my room trying to kill me? Do you have a 2nd power/ability?

[Muffin]

-Shotty received a Night 2 Results PM which included flavor that stated Chun Li's room had an evil smell, though Chun Li herself had nothing evil or anything that indicated her of being evil.

Also the use of the word "smell" is interesting because that's how Robo's alignment was originally presented to me, as the overwhelming smell of evil. I didn't think anything of it at the time but is it possible we have a role whose abilities involve making targets appear guilty to cop investigations? That might explain why my result was wrong (assuming robo is indeed town).

[Muffin]

@Iec-
-It was included at the beginning of another PM as a flashback memory of Chun Li's room.

-I don't know what game relevance (if any) it has. The flavor emphasizes several times that Chun Li herself did not appear to be evil and nothing in Chun Li's room appeared Evil either. There was just an evil smell.

If I had to guess between Chun Li being a Miller or Chun Li being framed, I'd say the flavor sounds more like Chun Li was framed.

HOWEVER, a framer role so unlikely to ever go off that it's negligible. It also just doesn't seem balanced to have limited reveals & scum misinformation roles.

You know, assuming you're telling the truth it kind of pisses me off that a vig with no investigative abilities who didn't target Robo got more info that night than an alignment cop who specifically targeted robo.

[Muffin]

Muffin, didn't you get information N2 that you'd been wrong about Robo? Was that something similar?

It was mentioned in passing while I was searching for my IDD to investigate magna. Paraphrasing, it was something like "I didn't use the IDD last night and was wrong, so I'm going to find my IDD this time to be sure"

[Muffin]

When had Shotty been to Chun Li's room? You say "flashback," so....

Shotty had apparently been to Chun Li's room twice:

Flashback to the lynch scene. It actually says that EVERYONE went to Chun Li's room after the lynch to see if we could see why Muffin thought Chun Li was Evil. I'm assuming the whole thing visit is flavor (and not a result of any player abilities), however, it raises a possible experiment to try. Everyone should mention trusting or not trusting Muffin's investigation regarding Robo in their PMs tonight.

-Shotty received a Night 2 Results PM which included flavor that stated Chun Li's room had an evil smell, though Chun Li herself had nothing evil or anything that indicated her of being evil.

[Muffin]

Is it possible for us to be in mylo?

[Muffin]

– Furcolow
– Iecerint
– Kdub
– Muffin

Now of these, I couldn't find any claims, but I'm sure there are some, so if anyone feels like fixing it, go ahead.

I claimed Lara Croft early on, I think it was D2.

[Muffin]

it's all too WIFOM to even make a case on really
I'm keeping my vote on MoI

Even after all the evidence that points at MoI being town?

unvote
vote: Furcolow

[Muffin]

Why are you voting Furc on that basis over Kast or me?

Also, what made you wonder whether we were my mylo?

Well firstly you aren't voting for MoI. Secondly I have my reasons

[Muffin]

i'm the only reason we've caught any scum at all

Surely you jest. I tagged millar early on and kept on him the entire day. You chimed in at the very last to hammer.

[Muffin]

unvote

Well guys I've got a bit of a problem. Something came up unexpectedly, and long story short I have to be out of town for a week. I'll be back on Sunday the 29th and I have no guarantees there'll be internet where I am.

Obviously I'd like to stay in the game but a week is a long time to be away. It could very well work out that I'd have internet where I'll be going and you guys wouldn't know the difference but then again it could just as easily go the other way. So, I will leave it to your (and the mod's) discretion; no hard feelings,

and my very sincere apologies.

@mod: I have to be out of town until the 29th and it's unsure if I'll be VLA or not. Please replace me at your discretion.

[Muffin]

Good game everyone, sorry I had to replace out.

If anyone can offer suggestions for improving my game I wouldn't mind hearing them.

[Muffin]

Muffin, I felt that you did fantastically in this game. You nailed two of the scums and made a very convincing attack on Furcolow which l obviously believed. I'm not sure what to say on how you can improve, although I do encourage that you find potentially faults with this game and past games and learn from them. I'm looking forward to playing a game with you.

Thanks very much

[Muffin]

As far as the scum/town balance goes, I think that had millar saved his zerg-rush ability and done a better job staying under the radar this game could have gone a lot differently.