Mini 987: Alternative Vote Mafia- Ovah!

[TheButtonmen]

@Volikan:

1) Town players should vote for whom they think is scum
2) Town players should think that other players are scum for good reasons
3) Therefore, town players should vote for other players for good reasons
4) Town benefit from being able to collectively consider good reasons
5) Scum are disadvantaged by having to justify votes with good reasons
6) Thus, votes should be backed up with good reasons

1-6 are completely wrong; like 100% wrong.

Now in regards to obvscum jason; he thought the day was ending yet he did nothing, he was happy to go through the day just coasting along avoid discussion, he didn't give any reads, act in anyway concerend about the day's end.

As for my other point; He was voted for "for being jason". He chose to interpret this to mean "for being scum jason", In my experience thats not a natural way for town to interpret its meaning.

[jasonT1981]

hold on Button, that is an obivious misrep... i thought the day was ending and I was going to do nothing?

I will have to post my ballot later tonight I think as I wont be online tomorrow much as I have family coming to visit.

I had said my ballot would be up later last night because I was not going to be about today...I thought today was deadline, yes... hence why I said it would go up. I came home last night to find I was wrong and had no need to put my ballot up last night.

[jasonT1981]

As for my other point; He was voted for "for being jason". He chose to interpret this to mean "for being scum jason", In my experience thats not a natural way for town to interpret its meaning.

the fact that sentance accompinied a vote for me... then yes, I thouht it was safe to assume he had reason to beleive I was scum Jason

[jasonT1981]

Anyway, this is me out now for the day, I have family coming down in 15 mins and don't think I will be about much.

[Shattered Viewpoint]

As for my other point; He was voted for "for being jason". He chose to interpret this to mean "for being scum jason", In my experience thats not a natural way for town to interpret its meaning.

the fact that sentance accompinied a vote for me... then yes, I thouht it was safe to assume he had reason to beleive I was scum Jason

Now, given the mechanic in this game, every player that is not me gets a vote from me.

Of course

you got a vote. What you didn't get is a ranking within all my votes.

Now, I'm convinced you're scum (and you just moved higher on my list).

[vollkan]

1) Town players should vote for whom they think is scum
2) Town players should think that other players are scum for good reasons
3) Therefore, town players should vote for other players for good reasons
4) Town benefit from being able to collectively consider good reasons
5) Scum are disadvantaged by having to justify votes with good reasons
6) Thus, votes should be backed up with good reasons

1) Agree
2-6) Disagree

Then why not just submit an official ballot right now, using random.org or something?

1-6 are completely wrong; like 100% wrong.

(I'm abbreviating you to TBM from now on)

I detect sarcasm. If not, same question.

Now in regards to obvscum jason; he thought the day was ending yet he did nothing, he was happy to go through the day just coasting along avoid discussion, he didn't give any reads, act in anyway concerend about the day's end.

What should he have done as town?

Of course you got a vote. What you didn't get is a ranking within all my votes.

Now, I'm convinced you're scum (and you just moved higher on my list).

Your argument rests on this:

As for my other point; He was voted for "for being jason". He chose to interpret this to mean "for being scum jason",

In my experience thats not a natural way for town to interpret its meaning.

(bolding mine)

Two questions:
1) Why isn't it a natural way for town to react?
2) (the oft-neglected part of scumhunting) Why IS it a natural way for scum to react?

[Ellibereth]

not using "good" reasons doesn't equal pseudorandom...

[vollkan]

In what way are bad reasons better than random?

[Ellibereth]

Note the parenthetics around good. I meant what I guessed you considered good/bad.

The main one is I don't think it's "bad" to feel someone is scum/town with no reason at all or based off whatever feeling one gets from one post.

[TheButtonmen]

@Volikan:

You misattributed a quote.

Your argument rests on this:

As for my other point; He was voted for "for being jason". He chose to interpret this to mean "for being scum jason",

In my experience thats not a natural way for town to interpret its meaning.

SV didn't say that; I did. Also to answer your question; experience. It's not a matter of motivation for the scum, it's human bias.

Also you continue your trend of only asking questions, never contributing anything.

1) Town players should vote for whom they think is scum
2) Town players should think that other players are scum for good reasons
3) Therefore, town players should vote for other players for good reasons
4) Town benefit from being able to collectively consider good reasons
5) Scum are disadvantaged by having to justify votes with good reasons
6) Thus, votes should be backed up with good reasons

1) Agree
2-6) Disagree

Then why not just submit an official ballot right now, using random.org or something?

1-6 are completely wrong; like 100% wrong.

(I'm abbreviating you to TBM from now on)

I detect sarcasm. If not, same question.

I'm not answering that question, we can discuss it in MD after the game; having that arugement here would be noise not content.

[Ellibereth]

Can someone here be awesome an collect unofficial vote-counts and all that?
And we should treat the votes the same to know when claiming happens and for VA later etc.

I have a feeling the whole question thing is the norm for volken by those two little words over his avatar
And is POMMY still on her weekly weekend V/LA thing?

[vollkan]

Note the parenthetics around good. I meant what I guessed you considered good/bad.

The main one is I don't think it's "bad" to feel someone is scum/town with no reason at all or based off whatever feeling one gets from one post.

Oh god

It's not a matter of motivation for the scum, it's human bias

I didn't ask what the scum motive was. My question was, since you were saying it wasn't a natural play for town, why it was so for scum.

The fact that seomthing is weird (which, I fully accept, his interpretation was) doesn't make it scummy.

Also you continue your trend of only asking questions, never contributing anything.

Define 'contribute' (and see below )

I have a feeling the whole question thing is the norm for volken by those two little words over his avatar

Yes.

[Zachrulez]

Jason is not being as proactive as I would expect him to be.

Pretty much everything I've seen from him is just defending himself, and just noticing a lack of proactive scumhunting from him otherwise, which is something I've come to expect from town Jason.

Don't really like Shattered Viewpoint much either. I don't feel like he's done a particularly good job backing up his reasoning for his suspicions.

Pom's also been off V/LA since yesterday unless I missed something.

[Zachrulez]

In the process of finding my topics.

Stand by.

[TheButtonmen]

Back.

[Pomegranate]

Ooh, hi. I was graduating if you wondered where I was. Currently getting my games together.

[Shattered Viewpoint]

Hi. We're back!

vollkan: Since you asked me a question based on a misattributed quote, do you have any other questions for me?

[TheButtonmen]

Ooh, hi. I was graduating if you wondered where I was. Currently getting my games together.

Congrats!

[Ellibereth]

Ooh, hi. I was graduating if you wondered where I was. Currently getting my games together.

WAITWAT.
I'M VERY CONFUSED BY THE P-FRUIT SISTER AGE TIMELINE NOW.

[TheButtonmen]

Ooh, hi. I was graduating if you wondered where I was. Currently getting my games together.

WAITWAT.
I'M VERY CONFUSED BY THE P-FRUIT SISTER AGE TIMELINE NOW.

I assumed elementary.

[TheButtonmen]

@Mod:

What's the deal with deadline?

[Anon]

Elli, why arent you scumhunting?

[Anon]

jasonT1981
Pomegranate
Zachrulez
Ellibereth
Shattered Viewpoint
TheButtonmen
Jack
vollkan
Anon

Discuss

[Anon]

volkan, Elli stop the argument, its a big unnecesary distraction

[TheButtonmen]

So Anon's scum eh?

Sweet.

1) Anon
2) Jason
3) Zachrulez
4) Volikan
5) Pomegrant
6) Elliberth
7) Jack