Mini 987: Alternative Vote Mafia- Ovah!

[Anon]

Claim: town.

Vote: Pomegranate.

[Anon]

By page 2, my top candidates for scumbags are Pom and jason. Maybe Zanch and Eli.

[Anon]

By page

2

4, my top candidates for scumbags are Pom and jason. Maybe Zanch and Eli.

I havent changed my mind.

I think we should post ballots here.

[Anon]

jason and Pom, top suspects in next post tia.

[Anon]

any particular reason why I get the silver medal?

[Anon]

Active lurking: meh

town claimed lacked pizzaz:

Claim: town.

Vote: Pomegranate.

I pretty much agree with your list with the exception of pedobear and Elli. Why is he so high on your list?

[Anon]

Elli, why arent you scumhunting?

[Anon]

jasonT1981
Pomegranate
Zachrulez
Ellibereth
Shattered Viewpoint
TheButtonmen
Jack
vollkan
Anon

Discuss

[Anon]

volkan, Elli stop the argument, its a big unnecesary distraction

[Anon]

So Anon's scum eh?

I disagree with you. He is not obvtown but its still early. How did you get to that conclusion?

[Anon]

I would like a good damn reason, besides not being in the game, (check my other games for checking my massive inactivity), that explains clearly why I am so high on your lists.

In the meantime, Ill reread what I missed and come up with some scumbags for dinner.

[Anon]

Ok, Pom is very likely scum.

But we can still vote unofficially.
Like this.

Vote:Jack

I don't think that what Jack did (not read the rules properly) makes him scum. It's a nulltell, IMO. Why does it make him scum, Zach?

This is the kind of questions Ive seen scum do more than townies and that caught my attention in page 1. Not only you try to appear active, you also try to generate a fight against two townies. (Yes, if Pomscum -> Jacktown and Zachtown).

I dont like the tone of the question as well. Its like Pom is trying to generate a fight when using the "why does it make him scum" instead of "why are you voting him?"

By page 2, Pom keeps talking about game generals (and enforcing it) instead of scumhunting.

Zach, why do you have to seem so much like scum jumping a quick, early wagon?

Vote: Zach

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mmhmm, in a game that doesnt lynch with wagons...

Because everyone else's vote makes sense to me except for Elli, but that's just his playstyle. Your less so. Still, looking back at the post in which you voted me, I will Unvote.

backtracking with ellibuddying and even wrong since there were a lot of people that were voting without reasons. Pom voted Zach with NO VALID REASON.

I dont need to read more to put Pom at the top of my list.

Now lets hunt for the scumpartner.

[Anon]

The exchange on page 6 between volkan and buttonmen smells bad. Specially when we analyse this ballot:

Offical Ballot:

1) Jason
2) Anon
3) Shattered
4) Volkan
5) Pomegranate
6) Zachrulez
7) Jack
8) Elliberth

I dont like it, considering Buttonmen was pretty right and aggressive on attacking volkan for posting a lot of fluff but nothing remarkable. Why is he lower than lets just say, Anon and Shattered, players that were useless scummy?

I also dont like how buttonmen and volkan totally ignore pom's scumminess and are staying out of the wagon. Even more interesting is how they agree after the big argument on page 6;

A) Holy crud no questions and B) I agree with Vollkan

Either one of these guys is scum with Pom and is using the other to give her a small chance of surviving, or these guys are both scum and bussing softly while appearing protown ignoring the easy target.

Pom is gut scummy. Vollkan is over analyzing a low activity game.

wow QFT, I was about to write that.

Your push on Pom didn't make sense to me because you hadn't backed it up with anything. Everything I said before was valid - you've only now supplemented yourself with additional reasoning.

is volkan saying here that pushing people with no reasoning is something he has serious issues with? Volkan, is this the first time you see someone pushing without explaining his reasoning?

[Anon]

Im thinking more and more on Volkan-TBM scumteam. They sound so informed its not funny. Buttonmen was the first to catch volkan's fluffiness when everyone was putting him as the towniest of the game. And they both ignore Pom's scumminess for players with slight scumtells (Anon for being useless, Zach for pushing without reasoning).

I dont even know who vollkan truly suspects (besides the soft attack against Zach) despite he spamming the thread with game theory.

The problem is that I cant get over Pom's scumminess. Why hasnt she claimed yet?

[Anon]

you really have no idea how to play this game.

why wanting quick ballots is scummy to you?

why do you think nonreasoning scumhunting (the scumhunting I used on previous pages) is not valid scumhunting?

do you think your little actual content (one of the reasons you are using to suspect me) is a good reason to suspect you as well?

[Anon]

I'm not reading Pom as scum.

Vollkan is lower then you because your scum, he's just scummy at the moment.

lol wtf?

[Anon]

Button and volkan, why are you not seeing Pom scum?

[Anon]

I do not think attacking somebody without reasons (what I call 'gut voting') is scummy. I do, however, consider it completely anti-town and I generally cajole the hell out of people who gut vote to make them give me my reasons.

You should be wasting posts hunting for scummy things, not anti-town stuff. You are not thinking like a townie.

Anon Crappy attack against Pom for her tone in asking a question, and then making a lazy line of attack against me for posting 'fluff' and spamming the thread. 55

Explian clearly why my attack against Pom is crappy.

And second, Buttonmen attacked you first for the "fluff" thing. Its interesting I get 55 and he gets less or equal than 50. Mmmm.

Just curious, what do you think about button's reasonings that explain why I am scum?

[Anon]

Pom is currently writing her catchup post, so if you could wait a bit for her, she would be very grateful.

Pom, just claim.

[Anon]

As much as I hate jason way to play the game, all the accusations against him are unfounded basically for this post:

not really, my post was taken from the point of my last post. at that time I didnt seem to sure on Pom. things progressed between my previous last post and the post I just made. I think she is scum, as is Jack and Anon. I was actually already in the process of writing my catch up when I was called out on my posts in other games.

if we work under the assumption that there is max 2 scum in a 9 player game, which seems reasonable enough, jason just told us he is not scum since he is working under the assumption that there is 3 scum in this game.

@Pom, of course youd think Button and volkan are town. They are basically the only people that think you are town with no valid reasoning. If you are town, you should claim in your next post.

[Anon]

@Pom [...] If you are town, you should claim in your next post.

Why? Anon, if you are scum you would want me to claim in my next post.

Not at all.

My process of scumhunting needs a flip or a good damn reason (non lynchable claim, powerful town tell, etc) to stop pushing for the lynch or my top suspect. In the balance of my reads, you are the person that has committed more scumtells and nothing in your posts makes me think you are town.

Thats why I want you to claim.

Additional reason is that if you are town, then Buttonmen and volkan scumteam becomes even more evident. But I need to have a certainty that you are town and the only way I can get that is with a flip or with a good damn reason. (non lynchable claim, powerful town tell, etc)

[Anon]

But I don't feel like I'm at the equivalent of L-1. And if that's the case, I shouldn't claim. Right?

With 9 players, its 5 to lynch.

People that have expressed desire to lynch you are : Zach, Jack, Elli and Anon.

You, good lady, are at L-1.

[Anon]

Anon is being obvscum.

WHY

Pom isn't scummy.

WHY

Lynching her is a bad move.

WHY

Lynch Anon or Jason, I'd actually prefer an Anon lynch at this point.

WHY

[Anon]

Sorry my grandma died and I lost total access. I dont think it would have helped much though. Go town.

[Anon]

fisrt of all sorry about dissapearing and getting modkilled. I would never be able to predict what would happen with my grand......

so yeah, about Pom being scum, did I mention that?