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Post Post #100 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:46 pm

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Ellibereth wrote:If/When he starts playing anti-town, are you guys planning to meta-excuse him?
I'll agree to not policy lynch him if we all agree to throw meta out the window for this game, at such a fast pace any anti-town play-style should be unacceptable.
Meta =/= policy lynching. Meta-ing might be useful if you think a player is playing with a substantially different feel than you've experienced before. Policy lynching relies on past events to dictate present actions, and thus doesn't take into account (or precludes) what happens now. Meta relies on previous events to mesh or diverge from past events, and thus requires present action to make a judgement from.

If he plays anti-town, then he'll be lynched. It shouldn't be -expected- that he'll play anti-town, and lynch him before he does it. <--- The main problem of policy lynching.
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Post Post #101 (ISO) » Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:33 am

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/confirm

Elli, what has CSL done that's so anti-town? Don't give me a link and make me read an entire game when you could just explain it in 2 sentences.

I don't think a policy lynch is a good idea here anyway, especially not at the rate this game is going to be going. The goal isn't to lynch as many people as possible, it's to lynch scum as quickly as possible. It seems like Elli is trying to go for a quick and easy lynch with the "policy lynch" argument to fall back on if (or maybe, in Elli's mind,
when
) CSL flips town. I also don't like his whole "I represent the opinions of everyone" attitude.

But I'd still like to know from Elli or DRK why CSL is such a good policy lynch.
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Post Post #102 (ISO) » Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:38 am

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@BMC (Hi BMC!)
Here's why: do you see a better lynch option right now? Really? You don't? Okay, go ahead and vote CSL. :wink:
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Post Post #103 (ISO) » Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:54 am

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The following are links to specific posts:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 77#2017577
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 88#1894988
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 74#1921474
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 06#1823806
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 83#1876483
I know of at least one more in an ongoing game.

A statistic complied on Dec 9, he has been lynched 44% of the time on D1 or the day where he replaces in.
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Post Post #104 (ISO) » Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:59 am

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Ellibereth wrote:A statistic complied on Dec 9, he has been lynched 44% of the time on D1 or the day where he replaces in.
So...

He has the same statistic of being scum as anyone else. What does the fact that he is lynched more often than other players change?
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Post Post #105 (ISO) » Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:08 am

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It's an indicator of his overall past scummy play.
Someone does not get a 44% D1 lynch rate when their play is pro-town.
[Quote="Bogre"]If he plays anti-town, then he'll be lynched.[/quote
^^^ This, I agree with this
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Post Post #106 (ISO) » Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:18 am

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Ellibereth wrote:It's an indicator of his overall past scummy play.
Someone does not get a 44% D1 lynch rate when their play is pro-town.
Yes. But it doesn't mean he's scum. How about you read this again:
Plumegranate wrote:If he plays anti-Town, I'll try to get him to stop hurting the Town. If he plays scummy, I will vote him and try to get him lynched. It is harder to read people who always play anti-Town to begin with, but it is absolutely possible to do. I'll give CSL the benefit of the doubt until he looks scummy. Got it?
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Post Post #107 (ISO) » Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:29 am

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Ellibereth wrote:The following are links to specific posts:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 77#2017577
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 88#1894988
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 74#1921474
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 06#1823806
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 83#1876483
I know of at least one more in an ongoing game.

A statistic complied on Dec 9, he has been lynched 44% of the time on D1 or the day where he replaces in.
You want to lynch him so he doesn't lynch himself? That's the only thing you linked to, so I assume that's the extent of his anti-town play. He seems fine in this game so far. If he's town, we lose him either way, and if he's scum, why is self-voting such a problem? I understand how it's anti-town, but I think it could work in our favor. Why not just give him a chance to play?

And yes, I'm aware doing this brings information. I'm just saying don't put a majority on him right away.
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Post Post #108 (ISO) » Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:10 pm

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that's mean CSL like hammering himself. and i'm fine with people hammering themselves.
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Post Post #109 (ISO) » Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:42 am

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Just a reminder, the game begins at midnight tonight. All roles will begin charging at this point and the town's lynch timer will start. All previously placed votes will not count, and all new votes will be counted.
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Post Post #110 (ISO) » Fri Jan 01, 2010 6:35 am

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We will both be V/LA from this afternoon until Saturday evening or so. We will be V/LA at this time every week.
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Post Post #111 (ISO) » Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:19 am

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malpascp replaces CSL effective immediately.
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Post Post #112 (ISO) » Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:23 am

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POLICY LYNCH MALPASCP

No, I'm not serious.

Zoraster basically gave us an extra week to come to a lynch decision and the time was mostly wasted. I wasn't seriously advocating a policy lynch on someone before the game started. That was a wagon to get something to happen. Elli was the only other one on the CSL wagon and no matter how ridiculously I acted, I couldn't even get CSL to vote for me.

You would think SOMEONE would start a counter-wagon on me, but noooo, everyone wanted to wait.
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Post Post #113 (ISO) » Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:22 am

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vote DKR


Of course it gets wiped in a day or so, but do you feel happier now?
I try not to sign things. It just encourages people.
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Post Post #114 (ISO) » Fri Jan 01, 2010 6:03 pm

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Game starts for real.
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Post Post #115 (ISO) » Fri Jan 01, 2010 6:16 pm

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The Game has started. All votes from here on out are counted. Please note I will be using a 24 hour clock (13:00 instead of 1:00pm) to make things more obvious. All times are in EST unless stated otherwise.


12 Alive
Snow Bunny ( 0 )
DeathRowKitty ( 0 )
bigmc109 ( 0 )
Vaya ( 0 )
Ellibereth ( 0 )
malpascp ( 1 ) Ellibereth
Plumegranate ( 0 )
Juls ( 0 )
Bogre ( 0 )
manho ( 0 )
TonyMontana ( 0 )
Annachie ( 0 )
No Lynch ( 11 ) Snow Bunny DeathRowKitty bigmc109 Vaya malpascp Plumegranate Juls Bogre manho TonyMontana Annachie
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With 12 alive, 7 needed to lynch.
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Post Post #116 (ISO) » Fri Jan 01, 2010 6:25 pm

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Post Post #117 (ISO) » Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:43 pm

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Vote malpascp


CSL was scum. Therefore, malp is now scum.
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Post Post #118 (ISO) » Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:20 pm

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Vote DRK

As someone who replaced CSL in a different game ...
I try not to sign things. It just encourages people.
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Post Post #119 (ISO) » Sat Jan 02, 2010 3:59 am

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Vote: DRK
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Post Post #120 (ISO) » Sat Jan 02, 2010 4:07 am

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Vote: Elli


I don't like how he pursued the CSL's policy wagon so hard.
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In honor of Erika Furudo, my first scum win (Umineko Mafia).
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Post Post #121 (ISO) » Sat Jan 02, 2010 7:05 am

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vote: Vaya
for no posts in pregame.
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Post Post #122 (ISO) » Sat Jan 02, 2010 7:34 am

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Any particular reason for choosing Vaya over Tony?
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Post Post #123 (ISO) » Sat Jan 02, 2010 8:07 am

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Rule Modification To Clarify Meaning:
9. Actions may not be "queued" before your action is active. In other words, your PM with an action must come after your power has fully recharged. After it has recharged, you may PM me with a time in the future you want to do your action. Once you have sent an action, it cannot be recalled.

Rule Highlight (no changes, just wanted to make sure everyone is aware):
8. I am strict on activity. Those who don't post at least once a day without going on V/LA are at risk of being replaced without warning.
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Post Post #124 (ISO) » Sat Jan 02, 2010 8:42 am

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Vote: DeathRowKitty
because he has the most votes!

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