Mini 847 Murder in Zachtown (Game over!)

[Zachrulez]

2nd vote count of day 1:

CSL - 3 (DTMaster, Nikanor, Sotty7)
Battle Mage - 2 (Netopolis, Haylen)
Kittymo - 1 (CSL)
Haylen - 1 (hitogoroshi)
Maemuki - 1 (Kittymo)
Hitogoroshi - 1 (Maemuki)

Not Voting (Battle Mage, jasonT1981, ckool5000)

With 12 alive it's 7 to lynch.

If I made any mistakes, let me know asap.

Deadline will also fall on Wednesday September 23rd at 9pm central.

[jasonT1981]

Hey, checking in now, Didn't actually realize this game had begun until Zach shot me the link. So many people I know in this game already.

So yea... give me a bit to read through the 3 pages and I should be posting after dinner later (damn family are coming )

[Sotty7]

Can we get a prod on BattleMage?

He confirmed yesterday. I will give him another 24 hours before I prod him.

Also please bold prod requests from now on.

[Battle Mage]

Ugh, this game sucks. I hate lurkers! [/Lol]

Just read through. Page 1 made me smile.

Vote: Battle Mage

Don't think i've done this before.

BM

[Netopalis]

We seem to be locked in a perpetual RVS. I'm going to

Unvote: Battle Mage

since he showed up.....Kind of at a loss of what to do from there, though.

[Battle Mage]

We seem to be locked in a perpetual RVS. I'm going to

Unvote: Battle Mage

since he showed up.....Kind of at a loss of what to do from there, though.

Confirm Vote: Battle Mage

As soon as he flips scum, you're going down!

Yeh, i'm clueless too. lol

BM

[DTMaster]

o-o. I smell jester play?

[Haylen]

I'm not buying it. Vote staying. You should know by now, BM, that reverse psychology does not work on me

[Nikanor]

Unvote: Battle Mage since he showed up.....Kind of at a loss of what to do from there, though.

Do you think self-voting is pro-town, anti-town, or null?
What do you think of CSL's votehopping?

[DTMaster]

@Haylen
How about reverse-reverse psychology? AKA REGULAR PSYCHOLOGY.

@BM
:S. Your confirm vote makes me confused. I smell jester play or sarcasm. What's your case on BM?

[Nikanor]

I smell jester play or sarcasm.

Do you really think we have a jester in this mini normal? :/

[Sotty7]

@BM
:S. Your confirm vote makes me confused. I smell jester play or sarcasm. What's your case on BM?

Why not scum play? And did you really just ask BM to make a case on his self?

[hitogoroshi]

Claim: Confused

[DTMaster]

@Sotty7

I don't see anything scummy other then a WIFOM/AtE reasoning trap if you try and consider: "Oh scum wouldn't possibly vote himself during the RVS". It's just a WTF-tell at the moment since I can't come to a solid conclusion here.

What about you, do you see anything scummy?

and Yes I sarcastically asked BM to make a case on himself since he sarcastically (I think) said:

Confirm Vote: Battle Mage

As soon as he flips scum, you're going down! Razz

@Nik
I never encountered a jester before so I think there is a chance he could be. Are jesters exclusively only for open/themed/large games or are they not part of normal setups.

[Nikanor]

@DTM: Jesters and lynchers are typically only used in bastard mod / open setup games, because it's just too easy to win as one of the two in a closed game where people aren't expecting it.
Also, I noticed you asked BM if his self-vote was jester play. Why didn't you ask Haylen the same question?

[DTMaster]

@Nik
BM voted himself twice. First I assumed to get reaction, second came with the words "confirmed vote". Usually the latter has a more serious meaning unless this is part of BM's early game meta.

[Nikanor]

@Mod: Can you put a 'not voting' section in your vote counts? It just makes wagon analysis so much easier.
Thanks.

[Netopalis]

At this early stage of the game, I find neither BM's self-vote or CSL's vote-hopping to be scummy. Let me explain.....

With CSL, the relevant portion to examine is the folllowing:

Well, is the RVS over?

@CSL
RVS ends when someone has a legit reason to start discussion, at least for me. The meaning varies from person to person. What made you think the RVS was over?

I dunno.

Vote: KittyMo because her name sounds cool.

Not knowing much about CSL, I can't say for certain that this was an honest mistake. However, based on the fact that his Wiki only shows a few games (mostly newbie), I'd say it's just a bit of confusion over whether we're still randomly voting and, if so, another random vote because he felt that was the appropriate and customary thing to do.

Battle Mage is a bit trickier....Yes, Self-voting is usually seen as scummy, but his posts seem more like jokes than anything, and I know many people who would do that quite often and find it to be hilarious - even more hilarious if they were lynched.

This is not to say that CSL or BM are wholly innocent - just that I believe these particular actions to not be indicative of scum play.

[Battle Mage]

I'm not buying it. Vote staying. You should know by now, BM, that reverse psychology does not work on me

Be honest with me here. What do you think the odds are of me being Mafia at this point?

BM

[Battle Mage]

@DTM: Jesters and lynchers are typically only used in bastard mod / open setup games, because it's just too easy to win as one of the two in a closed game where people aren't expecting it.

I disagree with this. A Jester win isn't assured, although Lyncher is. In terms of game policy, i dont think putting a Jester in a closed setup is bastardly, or unbalancing. And it isn't a dead cert victory.

BM

[Battle Mage]

o-o. I smell jester play?

Nah. I'd have to be the stupidest Jester in the world to self-vote in the random stage. lol
Unless it's a WIFOM gambit, but if you assume that, there's still very little chance of me actually being a Jester.

Claim: MOCTOD

I'm just being a schizo jackass, dw.

Thought i'd try something a bit different. Although, if everyone said that, i guess we'd end up with a game where everyone self-votes, and nobody gets anywhere haha.

Was just thinking how funny it would be if i claimed Scum, but then you'd kinda have to lynch me, or risk going down in history as the worst town ever.

BM

[Sotty7]

@Sotty7

I don't see anything scummy other then a WIFOM/AtE reasoning trap if you try and consider: "Oh scum wouldn't possibly vote himself during the RVS". It's just a WTF-tell at the moment since I can't come to a solid conclusion here.

What about you, do you see anything scummy?

Voting for yourself is a null tell really. Scum or town could do it this early in the game, doesn't mean anything apart from you being an attention whore (;)) But you brought up jester play, why? I am always suspicious of the player who mentions a jester over possible scum. A townies focus is on catching scum and so normally their mind goes right to Scum over Jester.

Also this has been bugging me for ages, what does AtE stand for?

Battle Mage is a bit trickier....Yes, Self-voting is usually seen as scummy, but his posts seem more like jokes than anything, and I know many people who would do that quite often and find it to be hilarious - even more hilarious if they were lynched.

Why do you think self voting is scummy? You could have a point about CSL and newness to the game, right now I am trying to push him into doing more than going with the flow.

[Battle Mage]

@Haylen
How about reverse-reverse psychology? AKA REGULAR PSYCHOLOGY.

@BM
:S. Your confirm vote makes me confused. I smell jester play or sarcasm. What's your case on BM?

Well, there isn't a case really, but i've seen his role pm.

British Mafia Goon

. I'll check with the Mod if i can paraphrase

my

his flavour.

BM

[Battle Mage]

@Sotty7

I don't see anything scummy other then a WIFOM/AtE reasoning trap if you try and consider: "Oh scum wouldn't possibly vote himself during the RVS". It's just a WTF-tell at the moment since I can't come to a solid conclusion here.

What about you, do you see anything scummy?

Voting for yourself is a null tell really. Scum or town could do it this early in the game, doesn't mean anything apart from you being an attention whore (;))

Lmao.

Guilty as charged.

Also this has been bugging me for ages, what does AtE stand for?

Appeal to E

ggnog

motion. It's not a universal tell-it varies with the player. For me, it's a towntell, but for others, it can be scummy.

Battle Mage is a bit trickier....Yes, Self-voting is usually seen as scummy, but his posts seem more like jokes than anything, and I know many people who would do that quite often and find it to be hilarious - even more hilarious if they were lynched.

Why do you think self voting is scummy?

Now now, he didn't say that, did he?

Where do i know you from? You seem familiar, but i cant remember a game we shared.

BM

[Sotty7]

Also this has been bugging me for ages, what does AtE stand for?

Appeal to E

ggnog

motion. It's not a universal tell-it varies with the player. For me, it's a towntell, but for others, it can be scummy.

Thank you. I figured it was this, but it was bugging me after reading various games with it in.

Now now, he didn't say that, did he?

Well he said that it is usually seen as scummy, in the context he said it I thought he agreed with that statement. If I'm wrong about that, I'm sure he'll correct me.

Where do i know you from? You seem familiar, but i cant remember a game we shared.

We were both in Election mafia but I was pretty much a non factor there. I'm also pretty sure we played together ages ago when you first came to the site, I don't remember the game myself, it was a couple of years ago.