Hoopla - 1 (dramonic)
Gorrad - 2 (Gorrad, Sajin)
Sajin - 1 (ElectricBadger)
dramonic - 3 (ortolan, Vaya, Hoopla)
Debonair Danny DiPietro
AlmasterGM
Kast
Synx
WeyounsLastClone
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Deadline is September 12, midnight.
Hoopla wrote:Does anyone think it's worthwhile talking about the set-up at this stage? If anyone here isn't familiar with the rankings, definitely check it out now. I have a few thoughts about the way roles could possibly interact and what we could expect, but if others deem it a moot topic, then we can skip it and just go straight to lynching scum.
Why is this super scummy? This is a game of the informed versus the uninformed. Unless this game has an extremely twisted setup where the mafia doesn't want to kill the town, the mafia already knows its objective, so discussing it further isn't helping them at all. Moreover, in a game such as stratego, where victory centers around a single piece that can be captured even if the odds are stacked against you, it is highly beneficial for us to try and determine what powers the mafia may have.Synx wrote:No, this is super scummy, let's focus on scumhunting instead of setup analysis at this point.
If you've ever played stratego, it wouldn't make much logical sense if those three roles were pro-town for a couple of reasons.dramonic wrote:What's to say Spy, Bomb or Flag aren't town roles? You're pretty well informed for a town role.
I don't see why everyone is making such a big deal about this. So he wants to wait 72 hours. Fine. We hear the case in 72 hours. Now, if that time passes and this case has suddenly evaporated but the bandwagon is still rolling, that's a different issue. Although, Sajin, I'm a little confused why you didn't just wait the 72 hours in the first place instead of throwing the comment out there.Sajin wrote:I am still not going to out my case on you until scum can no longer nighttalk. Sorry. You should also wait on claiming till then. It probably involves me claiming as well.
Why?ortolan wrote:btw just to get on record; dramonic's 35 is the scummiest thing I've seen in the game so far but I needed to get that Kast vote off my chest
A few reasons. In general, I feel that discussing the setup on day one instead of scumhunting is a scumtell. I also feel that it only hurts the town by giving the mafia more information regarding the setup -- they presumably don't know it anymore than we do.AlmasterGM wrote: Why is this super scummy? This is a game of the informed versus the uninformed. Unless this game has an extremely twisted setup where the mafia doesn't want to kill the town, the mafia already knows its objective, so discussing it further isn't helping them at all. Moreover, in a game such as stratego, where victory centers around a single piece that can be captured even if the odds are stacked against you, it is highly beneficial for us to try and determine what powers the mafia may have.
I find it odd you'd make this statement when your wagon only had two votes on it. Why didn't you express similar concern for the two vote wagon on Gorrad? What was the purpose for stating you don't like early bandwagons?dramonic wrote:I'm not a fan of quick early-wagons and I don't have a decent case (since I can't find scum before post 13 of a game). I'm not going to vote without at least the latter <<
Why should the game stall for someone posting garbage? There was no N0, scum are the one's that have information. I suspect it was done just for the sake of conversation, and if that's true we'll get better conversation from wagonning players. It's a nice bonus that you're looking like flustered scum.dramonic wrote:No, I'd suggest their vote would be better off on hiatus until we can see what the devil is that oh so mighty case Sajin has on Gorrad and vote accordingly.
This statement doesn't make any sense to me. What does Sajin's case have to do with a bandwagon on an unrelated person? Why would a wagon be okay after Sajin makes his case? I don't see why just two or three seems to bother you anyway.dramonic wrote:No, I'd suggest their vote would be better off on hiatus until we can see what the devil is that oh so mighty case Sajin has on Gorrad and vote accordingly.
This is completely unjustified by anything you posted. I strongly dislike this assumption. If there is a flag in this game, then your post strongly suggests to me that you are anti-town searching for it.It's more likely that the flag is a target for the town, not something we want to protect.
I think you're worrying over nothing. I don't know what happened in your game, but if a bandwagon were to grow that quickly and someone were to hammer, they're almost defiantly scum and would probably be lynched the next day.dramonic wrote:I've played in a game were someone got hammered before 48 hours had passed since the beginning. I'm not big on early wagons. Odds are I won't be voting before a few pages in (and 3 is not enough)
I see, I thought that when you were saying you disliked it, I thought you were implying that you believed it was scummy. That's what I didn't understand.Kast wrote: @Vaya-
Claiming to not be a particular role narrows the field for scum. This is especially dangerous if/when flavor suggests possibility that scum could be searching for that role. Even without that suggestion, the reasoning is the same as why townies don't generally claim "not cop" or "not doc".
Uh no. If there was a non-arbitrary delineation then the game could be broken upon a successful lynch and a mass claim. Charter is a better mod than that. Take for example his last theme game that I was a part of South Park mafia featured Stan, Tweak, and Chef as scum and Cartman as an SK. Anyone with experience with the show would be able to tell you that Cartman might make sense as an SK, but there’s no logical reason for the mafia to be mafia or for them to be grouped together.AlmasterGM wrote:First, there has to be some non-arbitrary deliniation between town and mafia. Simply saying something like "the Colonol is scum and the Major is town" makes no sense. It is thus highly likely that these three pieces, which are distinctly separate from the rest, are anti-town.
I still really don't understand this. The purpose of breadcrumbing is to leave subtle hints of evidence without drawing NK attention and making yourself a target. By announcing such, you've performed the exact opposite: you highlighted yourself as a power role and failed to deliver any worthwhile information.Gorrad wrote:I breadcrumbed because I enjoy the mental stimulation of doing so, and I pointed it out because I saw no reason not to. The odds of finding what it means are ridiculously small.