Mini 754 - Frogs Mafia Game, Set and Match.

[curiouskarmadog]

Well did it not start converstation?

wait, did you vote me with a dice vote purely to start conversation?

Well not exactly but it did, did it not?

So if you didnt do it to start conversation, why are you stating it? Smells of someone trying to look good for a "good" deed, though the deed was unintentional.

I didnt really care about your random vote. It is common to dice vote at the beginning of day 1. I didnt really care about other's "attacks" of that vote. Day 1 people attack anyone for anything to get stances, conversation, apply pressure. But when you try to make the random vote look pro town, though that wasnt your intention...that to me looks suspect. If I meta you..will I find you random voting in every game?

[dahill1]

Ok, TSQ, now you're just being ridiculous.

haha I soooo agree with this.

TSQ, can I request that you stop this jack-ass like questioning of everything

yeah scumhunting sucks doesn't it?

[Citizen Karne]

I don't usually vote unless to hammer someone. I've random voted in the past, but all-in-all, I feel uncomfortable voting for someone before a hammer unless for a VERY good reason.

I guess that's part of your meta and all, but do you really feel like that's a pro-town way to play?

FoS: Gorrad

Consider that my 'random vote'.

Is there a reason why you FoS instead of vote for someone?

I don't usually vote unless to hammer someone. I've random voted in the past, but all-in-all, I feel uncomfortable voting for someone before a hammer unless for a VERY good reason.

Can you list for me three ways in which that action is anti town and three ways in which it is pro town?

Do random votes really count towards anything anyway? How is a random FoS any different? I suppose it prevents speedlynching a little. I really can't see any difference. If you want to make a big deal about me not voting, well that's silly. This is how I play. Deal with it. If you want to call me scum because of it, go ahead. I'd love to see your argument on how it makes me scum in this game as opposed to other games where I have been town. I do not think it is at all anti-town, either. It certainly does not inhibit my ability to discuss intelligently.

My FoSes are, for all intents and purposes, votes.

Speaking of FoSes that are, for all intents and purposes, votes, I dislike Gorrad's play so far. His second post seems to me like he is trying to stay out of the focus. His retraction of his analysis of TSQ seems as though he is backing out of a possible confrontation for the sole purpose of not getting into an argument with a player rather than simply mixing up people in his head. (I don't feel as though I am expressing myself accurately, but hopefully you understand me.) With whom did you confuse TSQ in your head, Gorrad?

Also, his posts in response to Haterade strike me as overly hypocritical cheap shots to try and gain town points by advocating for discussion.

[MacavityLock]

Do random votes really count towards anything anyway? How is a random FoS any different? I suppose it prevents speedlynching a little. I really can't see any difference. If you want to make a big deal about me not voting, well that's silly. This is how I play. Deal with it. If you want to call me scum because of it, go ahead. I'd love to see your argument on how it makes me scum in this game as opposed to other games where I have been town. I do not think it is at all anti-town, either. It certainly does not inhibit my ability to discuss intelligently.

My FoSes are, for all intents and purposes, votes.

My point was that by not voting, you're hindering a town's ability to read you. (Vote analysis works for many players.) By saying that your FoSes are basically your votes, we can treat them as such and that analysis is back on the table. So, yeah, I'm fine with that.

[Citizen Karne]

Do random votes really count towards anything anyway? How is a random FoS any different? I suppose it prevents speedlynching a little. I really can't see any difference. If you want to make a big deal about me not voting, well that's silly. This is how I play. Deal with it. If you want to call me scum because of it, go ahead. I'd love to see your argument on how it makes me scum in this game as opposed to other games where I have been town. I do not think it is at all anti-town, either. It certainly does not inhibit my ability to discuss intelligently.

My FoSes are, for all intents and purposes, votes.

My point was that by not voting, you're hindering a town's ability to read you. (Vote analysis works for many players.) By saying that your FoSes are basically your votes, we can treat them as such and that analysis is back on the table. So, yeah, I'm fine with that.

Sounds good to me.

[Gorrad]

Gorrad, I don't think TSQ is being ridiculous. He's probably been the most helpful so far. Unless there's some way for you to simply this scum hunt (like, you know, confesss?)

Right. Giving random people the third degree regarding other people is scumhunting. I'd like to see some semblence of WHY he's asking random person A about random person B and not just trying to seem helpful while acomplishing nothing.

Also, personal pet peeve, asking someone unfoundedly to "confess". Serious question: When was the last time someone said "Hey, lookit me, I'm against the town!" when pressed like that? It just irks me to no end.


I really misphrased earlier. It was less that I swapped him with another person, and more that I swapped his allignment. In Kleptomafiac, he was going through some personal issues. I had both forgotten that there were personal issues involved and that he was SK (I remembered when ML mentioned it), and only remembered playing a game in which TSQ was generally inactive. I screwed up that bit completely, it was a case of my simply completely forgetting the circumstances of the meta. Sorry.

[MacavityLock]

For the record, Kleptomafiac. WanderingSophist is a TSQ alt. Feel free to read the first few pages to see an exact replica of TSQ's play thus far.

[Thestatusquo]

Just two things to note about that, and keep in mind I am drunk so take them with a grain of salt:

1) I was sk in that game, so you can't really discern anything about my alignment from that game.

2) I have no clue why I haven't been scummy nominated for best SK for that game. I caught all the scum, and then pulled the wool completely over the rest of the towns eyes for the win. That was like the penultimate of scum play. I'm actually kind of miffed about lack of nomination from that game.

All ranting aside, all that shows is that I'm capable of being helpful and questioning as scum (although not directly as mafia, which is important because I tend to play SK like a town aligned player until I go for the kill) I'm not sure why you brought it up, although it was fun to reread my pwnage of farside.

Did you forget what role I was in that game?

[MacavityLock]

Did you forget what role I was in that game?

Have I called you scum at all yet because of it? No. In fact, I specifically said "Though it happens to be the alignment most useless for meta purposes." Right now, it's an IGMEOY.

[Shanba]

Vote Count:

2: Scotmany12

(TSQ, MBF)

2: Curiouskarmadog

(MacavityLock, crywolf)

2: crywolf

(Raging Rabbit, dahill)

1: Raging Rabbit

(ckd)

1: dahill1

(scotmany12)

1: Gorrad

(kloud)

1: kloud1516

(Gorrad)
Not Voting:

Haterade, Citizen Karne

7 to turn someone into stereotypical french cuisine!

[dahill1]

yeah i think TSQ's play being similar so far to his SK play is not much of a tell at all, as SKs have to scumhunt as well

[crywolf20084]

Ok, TSQ, now you're just being ridiculous.

haha I soooo agree with this.

TSQ, can I request that you stop this jack-ass like questioning of everything

yeah scumhunting sucks doesn't it?

No no, i don't mind the scum hunting, I don't like his asshole scum hunting. He can continue to ask me questions as long as the asshole/jack-ass aura is lost.

[curiouskarmadog]

Well did it not start converstation?

wait, did you vote me with a dice vote purely to start conversation?

Well not exactly but it did, did it not?

So if you didnt do it to start conversation, why are you stating it?

Smells of someone trying to look good for a "good" deed, though the deed was unintentional.

I didnt really care about your random vote. It is common to dice vote at the beginning of day 1. I didnt really care about other's "attacks" of that vote. Day 1 people attack anyone for anything to get stances, conversation, apply pressure. But when you try to make the random vote look pro town, though that wasnt your intention...that to me looks suspect.

If I meta you..will I find you random voting in every game

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[crywolf20084]

Well did it not start converstation?

wait, did you vote me with a dice vote purely to start conversation?

Well not exactly but it did, did it not?

So if you didnt do it to start conversation, why are you stating it?

Smells of someone trying to look good for a "good" deed, though the deed was unintentional.

I didnt really care about your random vote. It is common to dice vote at the beginning of day 1. I didnt really care about other's "attacks" of that vote. Day 1 people attack anyone for anything to get stances, conversation, apply pressure. But when you try to make the random vote look pro town, though that wasnt your intention...that to me looks suspect.

If I meta you..will I find you random voting in every game

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#1: I didn't start the converstation TSQ did... Wow I've walked my self into a hole here x_x
#2: Yes I random vote in almost every game..If i remember correctly.

No I wasn't random voting to look protown, i was random voting for the sake of random voting.

[Gorrad]

No I wasn't random voting to look protown, i was random voting for the sake of random voting.

You weren't being asked if you were voting to look protown, you were asked if it was one of your norms. Guilty conscience?

Unvote, Vote: Crywolf

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[curiouskarmadog]

cry, what I am asking you is...Are you saying, that you dice voted to start conversation?

I think you are misunderstanding what I am asking/saying

[MacavityLock]

No I wasn't random voting to look protown, i was random voting for the sake of random voting.

You weren't being asked if you were voting to look protown, you were asked if it was one of your norms. Guilty conscience?

Unvote, Vote: Crywolf

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Gorrad, did you or did you not see

But when you try to make the random vote look pro town, though that wasnt your intention...that to me looks suspect.

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[Thestatusquo]

Guys, crywolf is pretty clearly town.

[Citizen Karne]

Guys, crywolf is pretty clearly town.

I wouldn't go that far, but focusing on the way she is random voting as much as you are, Gorrad and ckd, is foolish. If her meta is consistent, it's just a playstyle choice. If her meta is inconsistent, then we might have something to talk about. Even then, though, I really look at that as a null-tell. I've heard a few passable arguments about why it is detrimental to the town or possibly a way for scum to avoid some sort of Freudian slip in random voting that could hurt them later on, but even if you subscribe to those theories it is such a small thing that I hardly think it warrants this much discussion.

[dahill1]

Guys, crywolf is pretty clearly town.

she's not really scummy, but i would hardly clear her or anyone else as town at this point

[Thestatusquo]

Guys, crywolf is pretty clearly town.

I wouldn't go that far, but focusing on the way she is random voting as much as you are, Gorrad and ckd, is foolish. If her meta is consistent, it's just a playstyle choice. If her meta is inconsistent, then we might have something to talk about. Even then, though, I really look at that as a null-tell. I've heard a few passable arguments about why it is detrimental to the town or possibly a way for scum to avoid some sort of Freudian slip in random voting that could hurt them later on, but even if you subscribe to those theories it is such a small thing that I hardly think it warrants this much discussion.

Pretty sure I asked questions and then was satisfied with the answers. I would hardly call that "focusing on it." Are you even reading the thread?

[mikeburnfire]

I dunno, I'm getting some bad vibes from CryWolf. Leaning more towards 'scum' than 'town' at this point. Fairly neutral towards TSQ and dahill.

unvote

[Thestatusquo]

Answers to my questions make me satisfied about the dice roll thing, and in addition, her emotional responses feel more like annoyed townie than angry scum.

[Haterade]

Just two things to note about that, and keep in mind I am drunk so take them with a grain of salt:

1) I was sk in that game, so you can't really discern anything about my alignment from that game.

2) I have no clue why I haven't been scummy nominated for best SK for that game. I caught all the scum, and then pulled the wool completely over the rest of the towns eyes for the win. That was like the penultimate of scum play. I'm actually kind of miffed about lack of nomination from that game.

All ranting aside, all that shows is that I'm capable of being helpful and questioning as scum (although not directly as mafia, which is important because I tend to play SK like a town aligned player until I go for the kill) I'm not sure why you brought it up, although it was fun to reread my pwnage of farside.

Did you forget what role I was in that game?

vote: thestatusquo

Why would you get this overly critical about someone bringing up something clearly pro-town? Imagine:

"hey, check it out, I saw this game where someone was playing exactly the same way as another game where they were the sk, there's a chance we could be onto something here."

Is that not a pro-town thing to do?

Hiding much?

[Citizen Karne]

Guys, crywolf is pretty clearly town.

I wouldn't go that far, but focusing on the way she is random voting as much as you are, Gorrad and ckd, is foolish. If her meta is consistent, it's just a playstyle choice. If her meta is inconsistent, then we might have something to talk about. Even then, though, I really look at that as a null-tell. I've heard a few passable arguments about why it is detrimental to the town or possibly a way for scum to avoid some sort of Freudian slip in random voting that could hurt them later on, but even if you subscribe to those theories it is such a small thing that I hardly think it warrants this much discussion.

Pretty sure I asked questions and then was satisfied with the answers. I would hardly call that "focusing on it." Are you even reading the thread?

What? I was directing the majority of this post at Gorrad and ckd. Only the first sentence is for you.