Mini 720 - SPQR Mafia {Game Over}

[Coriolanus]

I have no idea what Yos is trying to achieve with this. It seems like he's trying to argue Coro into admitting he is an alt, which I don't think has any relevance to whether he's scum or not.

it's called a "deflection", a "waste of space", or "a way of avoiding doing anything productive."

also lol at this argument:
them: "YOU'RE AN ALT YOU'RE AN ALT YOU'RE AN ALT"
me: "UH NO I'M NOT"
them: "why are you being so defensive over this? YOU'RE AN ALT! his responses have been strange. YOU'RE AN ALT"

and by the way glork i have an account on conquerclub but i don't think it's in my interests to share it. so yeah, we have had some interaction with your buddies.

Now that was a waste of four pages.

and your solution is a contribution of more waste? notice how you just slipped by and voted assmaster.

being an alt or not isn't that important, but him blowing up for us accusing him of being one does seem off.

bullshit
i was ready to drop the subject immediately, but glork brought it up again.
this is entirely the fault of you, yos, and glork, which is hilarious because all three of you seem to know it was bullshit in the first place.

[dahill1]

being an alt or not isn't that important, but him blowing up for us accusing him of being one does seem off.

bullshit
i was ready to drop the subject immediately, but glork brought it up again.
this is entirely the fault of you, yos, and glork, which is hilarious because all three of you seem to know it was bullshit in the first place.

when were you ready to drop the subject? iirc you said "I want fucking evidence." which is far from dropping the subject. and this post is yet another example of you blowing up. i don't see why you're getting so worked up

[Glork]

I could lynch Tuber fo sho, peeps.

[OhGodMyLife]

Vote Count:

7 to lynch.

Xtoxm: 6 (Incognito, charter, Assmaster, Coriolanus, Xtoxm, Glork)
Glork: 1 (Erratus Apathos)
Incognito: 1 (Yosarian2)
Yosarian2: 1 (dahill1)
Tuberkulos: 1 (Rally Vincent)
dahill1: 1 (Pathetric)
Assmaster: 1 (Tuberkulos)

Not Voting: 0

[Pathetric]

Corio overreacting doesn't do much for me either way: I'd say either he's an alt who's annoyed that everyone's worked it out so easily, or he's frustrated because he's telling the truth and not believed. dahill, can you elaborate on what feels off or alignment-telling to you?

Glork seems ok so far. Not a fan of Xtoxm's responses to being probed, which reminds me a fair bit of the unhelpful Xtoxm-scum I've played with; unfortunately it seems I don't have strong agreement with my other head on that one, again

Patrick, this time.

[dahill1]

dahill, can you elaborate on what feels off or alignment-telling to you?

it's not necessarily alignment-telling but just the idea of overreacting to this to type of accusation seems strange to me.

[Yosarian2]

I have no idea what Yos is trying to achieve with this. It seems like he's trying to argue Coro into admitting he is an alt, which I don't think has any relevance to whether he's scum or not.

Well...it's a useful thing to know, and especally if he says whose alt he is I suspect I'll have a much easier time reading him, for meta reasons and such (there are a few players from which I wouldn't find this kind of over-reaction to be a scum tell, for example.)

But, mostly, I just think it's odd the way he's reacting. I think his initial "why isn't Glork dead yet" post was really odd, and I'm trying to figure out what he's thinking right now. I care less about if he is an alt then about why he's reacting this way to Glork speculating he's an alt; , the overly hostile reaction to what looks to me to be logical speculation on Glork's part seems kind of scummy to me.

[Yosarian2]

Now that was a waste of four pages.

Why, are we going to run out or something?

[charter]

vote Xtoxm

for being the only one of you I've been in a game with

that I remember

.

Heeeeeey. We played together in Mini 539 a long long time ago. Am I

that

forgettable? =(

Oops, fixed.

unvote, vote incog

Now I'm not playing favorites.

unvote

which I believe was interpreted as you knowing that I have a reputation.

Your mom has a reputation.

It is absolutely beyond me why we are still discussing Corio. This game should not be four pages.

I agree. Also, every time I read this name I just see pathetic, you should have thrown some more letters in there.

Now that I've got my RVS shenanigans out of the way.

vote dahill

I don't like his telling off Glork when he thought it was a hammer. I also don't like how he seems to be getting Corio worked up but not planning on going anywhere with it.

[dahill1]

I don't like his telling off Glork when he thought it was a hammer.

you would have been in support of a hammer with no claim?

[Incognito]

Xtoxm, your play so far just seems bizarre to me and distinctly reminds me of the type of play I remember seeing from you in NG 581 where you ended up self-voting and admitting to being scum after being called out for non-contributiveness. Why exactly would following the advice of placing yourself at L-2 at the request of someone whose alignment you supposedly don't know be more beneficial than actually commenting on some of the relevant happenings that have occurred in this game? Do you have anything to say about

anyone

so far?

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I did a reread of the thread and one thing that I do find to be slightly alarming is the fact that both Yosarian2 and dahill1 have mentioned at least once or twice now that they have issues with Coriolanus's reaction to being called an alt:

Actually, no, I don't think that. The subject of "is Corio an alt or not", isn't all that relevent; but Corio's answers, his response, really seem strange to me here, and I think his posting here might be a very productive subject.

again, yos pretty much sums up my thoughts on the matter. being an alt or not isn't that important, but him blowing up for us accusing him of being one does seem off.

...but neither one have gone forward and placed a formal FoS or vote on the guy as of yet.

Yosarian2 and dahill1, do you find Coriolanus's reaction to be scummy-interesting or some other type of interesting? Why have neither of you gone forward and actually voted for him as of yet? I'm pretty sure the both of you are still on your arbitrary votes from page 1.

Wethever you are town or scum, that's a bold move Glork.

vote: Assmaster

Your position on Glork here doesn't seem to lean one way or the other and ends up pretty much stating the obvious. Is your vote on Assmaster random or does it have any valid reasoning behind it?

[Incognito]

Yay for causing CPUs and still not losing the post!

[Yosarian2]

Yosarian2 and dahill1, do you find Coriolanus's reaction to be scummy-interesting or some other type of interesting?

Well, that's what I'm trying to figure out. My natural reaction is to be suspicious of someone who reacts like that, although as Ether pointed out there are other possible reasons for it.

Also, a lot depends on if I'm dealing with an experenced mafia player or a true newbie; reactions are different. Glork asked him that question earlier of if he'd played on a different forum, and he hasn't answered it yet.

Why have neither of you gone forward and actually voted for him as of yet?

(shrug) Haven't decided yet if his play is scummy or not, I suppose.

[Yosarian2]

Ah; he did answer the one question, he said he's played over at conquerclub . Ok, my mistake.

[dahill1]

dahill1, do you find Coriolanus's reaction to be scummy-interesting or some other type of interesting? Why have neither of you gone forward and actually voted for him as of yet? I'm pretty sure the both of you are still on your arbitrary votes from page 1.

as i said in this post:

it's not necessarily alignment-telling but just the idea of overreacting to this to type of accusation seems strange to me.

i find it to be as you said "some other type of interesting" that i can't necessarily categorize at the moment. and i don't think something piquing my interest warrants a vote since i didn't find it scummy, per say.

on that note,

unvote vote tuber

for voting assmaster with seemingly no reason, and i found it strange (scummy strange) that he didn't even really comment on xtoxm..

[charter]

I don't like his telling off Glork when he thought it was a hammer.

you would have been in support of a hammer with no claim?

I should have said I didn't like how you told off Glork, that's what I meant anyway. It looked fake to me.

[Incognito]

dahill1, do you find Coriolanus's reaction to be scummy-interesting or some other type of interesting? Why have neither of you gone forward and actually voted for him as of yet? I'm pretty sure the both of you are still on your arbitrary votes from page 1.

as i said in this post:

it's not necessarily alignment-telling but just the idea of overreacting to this to type of accusation seems strange to me.

i find it to be as you said "some other type of interesting" that i can't necessarily categorize at the moment. and i don't think something piquing my interest warrants a vote since i didn't find it scummy, per say.

Ah, I missed that. My bad.

[Xtoxm]

I'm just mucking about, it's the random phase.

I think GLork's vote was pretty and opportunistic, I think he was hoping someone would hammer, with the fallback of "I was asking for it".

Unvote Vote Glork

VT btw.

[dahill1]

I'm just mucking about, it's the random phase.

not when you selfvote yourself to L-2, it's not

I think GLork's vote was pretty and opportunistic, I think he was hoping someone would hammer, with the fallback of "I was asking for it".

who, specifically, did you think would hammer?
cuz personally, i can't really see any scenario in which any of us would hammer

[Xtoxm]

I wouldn't be adversed to hammering someone on page 4.

[dahill1]

I wouldn't be adversed to hammering someone on page 4.

you also self-vote to put yourself at L-2

[Tuberkulos]

Wethever you are town or scum, that's a bold move Glork.

vote: Assmaster

Your position on Glork here doesn't seem to lean one way or the other and ends up pretty much stating the obvious. Is your vote on Assmaster random or does it have any valid reasoning behind it?

Glork could flip either way. Just saying that it was a bold move and I think it was a bit uncalled for.

There was a reason behind my vote. Why ask people to make a wagon on someone? I thought the whole point of wagons was that you watch and see who joins in by own force. Telling people to join a wagon just gives them an excuse to do so. A poor one yes, but stil an excuse. Hence my vote. Do not consider it too serious though. Anyone here could flip either way for me as it is right now.

Xtoxm's selfvote doesn't sit well with me at all. What was your reason for that anyway Xtoxm? You claimed random. I got the feeling that there was something more about it than just random though.

[Yosarian2]

Yeah; I dislike Xtoxm's self-vote as well. I've seen pro-town people self vote for bad reasons too often lately to really consider it a scumtell anymore, but it's still an anti-town move.

[Erratus Apathos]

No. Just seeing if Ass's idea has any effect...

I'm just mucking about, it's the random phase.

Which is it?

Not liking Yos2's "contributions" so far.

Unvote
Vote: Yosarian2

[Pathetric]

My position which Patrick cited in 104 wasn't strictly at ends with his. It was more about the feel of the Xtoxmwagon. There was never much basis behind it, far as I can tell; it was a "let's kick off the game" wagon when the game had already been kicked off perfectly adequately. Also, I think Xtoxm is the sort of person who's easier to read when left to his own devices.

I'd lean town on him right now solely because of the timing of the vanilla claim, though. (shrug)

for voting assmaster with seemingly no reason,

and i found it strange (scummy strange) that he didn't even really comment on xtoxm.

Terrible.

I understood Tuberk's vote at the time and it was the first thing I liked out of him. But Primate is probably town purely because he has 16 posts. Tuberk should vote Dahill instead.

Patiently,
-Ether