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[Infinity 324]

oh so the pit hag minion still dies but keeps the ability? wild

if the vortox results are random (which is what i thought you were saying) then you still just get to disable town investigatives which is useful

[Infinity 324]

i feel like we should start talking about reads and stuff

Oh, wait, there is only one minion in the game. I don't know why I keep thinking there is 2. Nothing I said is WRONG but certainly "Minions know all other Minions" is...superfluous.

I'll buy this as a genuine dumbtell

i maybe disagree but i think it's towny to point this out

[AniX]

oh so the pit hag minion still dies but keeps the ability? wild

if the vortox results are random (which is what i thought you were saying) then you still just get to disable town investigatives which is useful

Only investigatives whose ability can have more than one result. But sometimes like the Flowergirl/Town Crier/Seamstress would only be disabled until they figure out there is a Vortox, because they get binary results and the results under a Vortox are always wrong. So once they know there is a Vortox, they know the correct answer is the inverse of whatever answer they've been getting (ie. once a seamstress learns there is a vortox, they can go back and see that every result they got where two players DIDN'T share an alignment is now confirmed as those players actually sharing an alignment, since the only false answer to "yes, they share an alignment" is "no, they don't share an alignment.")

[HighPrincessErinys]

i feel like we should start talking about reads and stuff

Amazing idea but there's not alot to work with in the midst of folks just getting a grasp on the roles and mechanics unfortunately.

[Infinity 324]

got it

pedit: i disagree!

[HighPrincessErinys]

This one would genuinely love to be corrected if you think there's stuff to be found in the mechtalk

[Infinity 324]

VOTE: anix

people tend to be under the illusion that the threat of elimination generates reads but in basically every game many reads are generated when there is no threat of elimination

[Infinity 324]

This one would genuinely love to be corrected if you think there's stuff to be found in the mechtalk

i already gave 2 reads!

[Infinity 324]

I also townslipped in 50 do you think that was fake

[atsi]

Pointless night wagon? Count me in!

VOTE: AniX

[atsi]

I also townslipped in 50 do you think that was fake

Seems like a not very difficult thing to fake as scum, so I say NAI

[PiggyGal15]

oh so the pit hag minion still dies but keeps the ability? wild

if the vortox results are random (which is what i thought you were saying) then you still just get to disable town investigatives which is useful

Only investigatives whose ability can have more than one result. But sometimes like the Flowergirl/Town Crier/Seamstress would only be disabled until they figure out there is a Vortox, because they get binary results and the results under a Vortox are always wrong. So once they know there is a Vortox, they know the correct answer is the inverse of whatever answer they've been getting (ie. once a seamstress learns there is a vortox, they can go back and see that every result they got where two players DIDN'T share an alignment is now confirmed as those players actually sharing an alignment, since the only false answer to "yes, they share an alignment" is "no, they don't share an alignment.")

Wait, weren't you just saying that it would be random results? Or were you only talking about poison/drunk mechanic?

[AniX]

I probably I misspoke at some point, I wasn't expecting to educate the entire town on the game lol so let me try to clarify:

Vorton Info: MUST be false. Mod may choose any method to falsify the information if it has multiple options, but it cannot be true and in a binary option (Yes/no) it MUST be the wrong one.
Poison/Drunk: MAY be false. Mod will typically interpret the game in such a way to determine what would be most detrimental to the player, which could be correct information or could be false information.

There is no true randomness in this game in so much as there is never a moment the mod MUST randomize information given out.

[Hu Tao]

So do we just talk during the night until we can vote at day?

[AniX]

Talking is actually most of the day too, even more so than Mafia, because while there are more votes, people will likely be more cautious in nomming because you only get to do it once a day.

[Infinity 324]

What does it mean by the Demon learns 3 Townsfolk which are not in the game?

Interesting: no flips upon death.

Also, do the Minion and the Demon know each other?

this leans town imo

scum you better start faking townslips

[Vanderscamp]

If you kill Minion this way, they keep ability and one of closest Townsfolk to them in playerlist will be Poisoned.

this seems like not something scum would want to do yeah?

Let's let them decide

[Vanderscamp]

If Demon created this way, deaths this night are arbitrary.

??

Arbitrary meaning the mod just decides who dies that night.

i assume this means the investigatives would get random results?

Not random, just false. So if you know there's a a Vortox in play you know that your info must not be true.

Also, mod can decide any number of players to die in a night of arbitrary deaths.

[Vanderscamp]

i was thinking they could turn someone into vortox, but giving town a vig seems bad, evil twin could make sense though? idk how that would work

pedit: ? do they normally have multiple votes

Please stop answering infinity's questions about optimal demon strategy

[Vanderscamp]

oh so the pit hag minion still dies but keeps the ability? wild

if the vortox results are random (which is what i thought you were saying) then you still just get to disable town investigatives which is useful

Only investigatives whose ability can have more than one result. But sometimes like the Flowergirl/Town Crier/Seamstress would only be disabled until they figure out there is a Vortox, because they get binary results and the results under a Vortox are always wrong. So once they know there is a Vortox, they know the correct answer is the inverse of whatever answer they've been getting (ie. once a seamstress learns there is a vortox, they can go back and see that every result they got where two players DIDN'T share an alignment is now confirmed as those players actually sharing an alignment, since the only false answer to "yes, they share an alignment" is "no, they don't share an alignment.")

Wait, weren't you just saying that it would be random results? Or were you only talking about poison/drunk mechanic?

None of the results are random in the sense that they're randomly generated, but poison/drunk info can be whatever the mod chooses, and vortox info can be whatever the mod chooses as long as it's false.

[Random Nurse]

What does it mean by the Demon learns 3 Townsfolk which are not in the game?

Interesting: no flips upon death.

Also, do the Minion and the Demon know each other?

this leans town imo

scum you better start faking townslips

What do you mean?

[Infinity 324]

What does it mean by the Demon learns 3 Townsfolk which are not in the game?

Interesting: no flips upon death.

Also, do the Minion and the Demon know each other?

this leans town imo

scum you better start faking townslips

What do you mean?

i think you probably genuinely didn't know those 2 things that scum would know, making you town. given that multiple people have townslipped, I joked that the scum should probably fake a townslip so they can look town too.

Vander, I get it, but also I'm pretty lost about the mech and my questions have gotten me to understand a lot more about how the game works, idk how much the scum benefit from it

[Enchant]

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[Enchant]

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[Enchant]

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