Micro 310: Shitty Joke Smalltown II (game over)

[Mitillos]

I was responding to TierShift, not you.

[absta101]

VOTE: Absta

Because Treestumps have feelings too!

So, if I may ask, do we gain anything from a lynch on this first day? I'm weighing the options, and it almost looks better for us to see if Brian uses his ability, and just start "fresh" D2.

A lynch on the first day gives us more information to scum hunt with. I don't see why a no-lynch would be better than that.

[TierShift]

Tier: what were you thinking would be the best use of the global rb?

On another thought, the plan proposed is the best plan.

Eh, the problem is that we lose our only investigative and protective roles, in those situations. Sure, we get one of the two scum, but still.

Lol, are you even serious.

Don't even try to say that catching a scum and losing investigative roles is worse than not having info.

[farside22]

@Tier: You have the best role.

I know. I'll probably not be NK'd.

Umm, does the plan still work if not all powers are town? I guess yes, but if the cop is scum it's a pretty much worthless plan that doesn't make good use of the global roleblocker.

Tier: I'm talking about your post here. What were you thinking at the time would be a good use of the global RB?

[Mitillos]

@Tier: It's certainly better than not having info, of course. I just don't like losing useful PRs. And yeah, I know that's inescapable, but still... Anyway, my point was that we should keep in mind that things might not simply work out like we expect them. Which I'm pretty sure everyone knows already, so, whatever. I intended to protect Yiley on N2 anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

@absta: If the RB happens, there's no NK, either. We'll be where we are now, except the RB will have turned vanilla and the cop will be able to use his power. Not sure if I agree with the no-lynch, though. Reducing the number of potential investigation targets will help the cop make a better choice of that.

[absta101]

@Mitillos - I know how it works but still; if we lynch and then RB we get to kill someone as town while the scum have to skip a turn. I think that's better.

[absta101]

We'd get two lynches before scum get to kill, is what I'm saying.

[TierShift]

No lynch is awful and should not be attempted.

@Farside: idk actually. I thought maybe a better opportunity would arise later in the game when reads are better and then saving a day would be more fruitful.

@Mitillos:
The plan is just going to work. If someone sabotages it, they get PL'd. Easy stuff.

[Mitillos]

@Tier: I'm paranoid. Always.

@absta: Yeah, that too.

[absta101]

It feels like all this planning isn't really useful seeing as we could end up lynching one of the important PRs. I can also see people being more lenient on them because of their role.

[absta101]

If Brian Skies is scum, he can simply kill me tonight, and then kill Yiley on N2.

He can't do this though because we'd lynch him for not RB.
He'd kill you then get lynched; that's in our favour.

[absta101]

No lynch is awful and should not be attempted.

Why didn't you vote him for this then?

[Mitillos]

@absta: And then his partner would kill Yiley on N2. There are two scum. As for lynching one of the important PRs, if they turn out to be scum, of course we'll lynch them. As important as they might be, scum cops/docs/roleblockers are not good for town. So, not really sure what your point is. Why would we be more lenient on them? Alignment trumps role, except in extremely rare circumstances.

[absta101]

You can't say "if they turn out to be scum ofc we'll lynch them", obviously we don't know their alignment beforehand.

Also, by "lenient" I meant that I can see people being less likely to vote for a scummy important PR than a scummy non-important PR, even if the important one is slightly more scummy. They'd do this precisely because they don't know the alignments so they'd rather not take their chances with the important PR.

[absta101]

And then his partner would kill Yiley on N2. There are two scum.

If Brian Skies is scum, he can simply kill me tonight, and then kill Yiley on N2.

I misunderstood you.

[Mitillos]

Yeah, I wasn't being very clear. Sorry about that.

And your leniency point is irrelevant, because we are talking about specific actions, not tells. If I die tonight, Brian won't have used his power. The same is true if the mail gets through. If he agrees to the plan and doesn't go through with it, that's very scummy.

Similarly, if Yiley dies on N2, clearly I didn't protect him. A doc not protecting a cop is undeniably scummy, if we don't know the cop's alignment, yet. So, I'd expect town to insta-lynch me if that happens, even if I had been ultra-towny before.

[jklash12]

VOTE: Absta

Because Treestumps have feelings too!

So, if I may ask, do we gain anything from a lynch on this first day? I'm weighing the options, and it almost looks better for us to see if Brian uses his ability, and just start "fresh" D2.

Could be scum trying to get an easy town day1 lynch.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Private

[Mitillos]

@jklash: How exactly would he get an easy town day 1 lynch, with a no-lynch?

[jklash12]

Oh opps was confused about his role. Thought it did something different.

UNVOTE:

[Mitillos]

I still don't see how he could get an easy mislynch on D1 with a no-lynch, but whatever.

[Brian Skies]

Need to figure out the double voter asap

I agree!

We can coordinate actions to guarantee a successful cop investigation night 2 by using the global roleblock and the doctor.

This was what I was thinking when I chose my role, although we're working on the assumptions (and hope!) that the three of us are all town.

The plan is just going to work. If someone sabotages it, they get PL'd. Easy stuff.

This and pray that the cop is on our side (because, really, the whole point of this is that guaranteed investigation result).

Anyhow, I don't particularly mind giving up my power to the town for optimal play. You guys decide what you want to do and I'll go with it.

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Vote Count 1.01

Mitillos

(0)

Micc

(0)

absta101

(2)

Mitillos, PrivateI

farside22

(1) Micc

PrivateI

(1) absta101

Brian Skies

(0)

TierShift

(1) Yiley

Yiley

(0)

jklash12

(0)

Not Voting

(4) farside22, Brian Skies, TierShift, jklash12

With 10 votes in play, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in

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[absta101]

Oh opps was confused about his role. Thought it did something different.

UNVOTE:

What does his role have to do with your vote on him?

[absta101]

I still don't see how he could get an easy mislynch on D1 with a no-lynch, but whatever.

Why "whatever"? If you don't understand his reasoning, why don't you ask him to explain?

[TierShift]

VOTE: farside