Payola Mafia - Game Over

[SpeedyKQ]

And so

logicticus is lynched.

Good news, fair town,

he was mafia.

Night falls. Interest accrues.

Cash Count:

1095 Nightcow
687 PookyTheMagicalBear
435 the silent speaker
305 BabyJesus
110 Twomz
75 Vaughn
0 Cogito Ergo Sum
0 inHimshallibe
0 VisMaior
0 Fritzler

Choices are due 72 hours from this post.

[SpeedyKQ]

The town awakens to find that

Twomz has been shot. He was a cop.

He leaves everything to Nightcow.

Everyone receives another $50.

Cash Count:

1255 Nightcow
737 PookyTheMagicalBear
485 the silent speaker
355 BabyJesus
125 Vaughn
50 Cogito Ergo Sum
50 inHimshallibe
50 VisMaior
50 Fritzler

Lets play. No deadline until the first payment is made.

[Fritzler]

So da 1 priority: reduce TSS and Bj's cash count.

[Nightcow]

I suggest lots of money on CES to start with.

[Fritzler]

I wouldn't mind that either.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I'll admit that my play yesterday was perhaps not the smartest. But I'm still convinced that Vaughn is scum. Real docs don't tend to survive.

[Nightcow]

I'll admit that my play yesterday was perhaps not the smartest. But I'm still convinced that Vaughn is scum. Real docs don't tend to survive.

What good is our doc?
Our main cop died night 1, and our other one was apparently paranoid. So the doc is simply protecting the biggest earners, me or Pooky. Anyone else if fair game for the scum - most confirmed first. I'm perfectly Ok with Vaughn as townie doc. He hasn't yet been counterclaimed, so I suggest we consider him town, and you scum.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

There's little reason for the doc to protect you or Pooky over another confirmed player. The money'll stay in the town's hands. I see little reason why the doc couldn't have protected Twomz. There's no actual gain in protecting you or Pooky instead.

And are you seriously suggesting that we don't lynch him unless we get a counterclaim or something? Real docs very rarely survive, that still applies to this game.

[BabyJesus]

So da 1 priority: reduce TSS and Bj's cash count.

X

Money in my hands is a good thing....

I think we need to have TSS narrow down some of his money. Yea, he was a mason, but if he is a scum mason, we're screwed....At the least he needs to get down to the level of Pooky.

[BabyJesus]

pay 10: VisMaior

he is scum, so lets git er done.

[the silent speaker]

I'd rather buy out Cogito than VisMaior -- I don't get a terribly scummy vibe from Vis, though there's no real reason he

couldn't

be. On the other hand, a big bidding war between me and

BabyJesus

is bad on all levels. BJ, if it comes to it do you have a particular problem with chasing out Cogito, or are you good either way?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I think we need to have TSS narrow down some of his money. Yea, he was a mason, but if he is a scum mason, we're screwed....At the least he needs to get down to the level of Pooky.

I think you mean Nightcow, but this is a mod-confirmed innocence type masonry. And Pooky could still be a GF. I'd feel more comfortable if all the money were in Nightcow's hands personally.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

So our dead Scumbag said:

I agree that way too often a free pass is given when someone claims doctor when they are about to be strung up.

This is really only a problem if there is only one really good scum candidate, since this isnt the case, I think its fine to continue on track and lynch Stoofer tomorrow should he be alive.


if you are going to make me go all in on someone, I would prefer it to be stoofer.

i just dont see how a claimed doc didnt get offed last night



whatever,

i hate the fact that someone who is acting scummy claims doc and gets a free pass. i really hate it, but that seems to be the norm around here.

and maybe the scum want us to off one of our own which is why they didnt kill him last night, but thats WIFOM for me.

He also used all of his money to try to lynch this claimed doc.

I'd say CES is probably our best play today.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Also he said something about BJ being confirmed earlier.

That combined with BJ's actions so far lead me to believe that we have BJ/CES as scumbags.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

He also used all of his money to try to lynch this claimed doc.

We went over this Yesterday. It really doesn't mean anything.

As I see it, logicticus never really went after Stoofer/Vaughn, but distanced himself with such comments as he made, because he didn't want to be tied to his scum buddy. He certainly didn't go after Stoofer/Vaughn in such a way that it really says anything about his alignment, if anything I think it makes Vaughn look scummier.

And may I ask what the point is of letting people that claim doc survive if you don't even think it's strange that they survive the night TWICE? Yesterday you may have had some point, but Today, nope. It wouldn't be worth it for the mafia to let the doctor live.

And I can tell you that if I were mafia, I'd have killed him by now. Yes, it would perhaps make me look bad in that case, but it'd have made me look bad sooner or later and we'd be able to move on.

And I seriously considered just ignoring my strong suspicions of Stoofer/Vaughn, because I was afraid it would only backfire and get me lynched instead. But I don't see what's anti-town about making a stance and be willing to go against the current.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Do you believe we have a doctor in our town CES?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Yes.

[Fritzler]

He also used all of his money to try to lynch this claimed doc.

We went over this Yesterday. It really doesn't mean anything.

As I see it, logicticus never really went after Stoofer/Vaughn, but distanced himself with such comments as he made, because he didn't want to be tied to his scum buddy. He certainly didn't go after Stoofer/Vaughn in such a way that it really says anything about his alignment, if anything I think it makes Vaughn look scummier.

And may I ask what the point is of letting people that claim doc survive if you don't even think it's strange that they survive the night TWICE? Yesterday you may have had some point, but Today, nope. It wouldn't be worth it for the mafia to let the doctor live.

Because they know there will be people like you who will try to lynch them.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

And I was so successful in my attempts to get him lynched Yesterday, right?. I know I have very little chance of convincing you guys and the mafia probably does too.

And I believe I'm the only one who's really shown that he wants to lynch Vaughn.

[Fritzler]

And I was so successful in my attempts to get him lynched Yesterday, right?. I know I have very little chance of convincing you guys and the mafia probably does too.

And I believe I'm the only one who's really shown that he wants to lynch Vaughn.

So? If they can get someone like you try to lynch Vaughn, then its all good for them, lesss heat on them, especially if you're town (which is what i think).

[Vaughn]

In case anyone wants to know... Nightcow was my choice.

When I read the thread to catch up, wasn't Twomz our paranoid Cop? That's what I beleived, so I didn't think saving him would be as worthwhile as saving a confirmed mason.

I particularly don't like CES's attitude towards this game. I think town clearly has the advantage here, due to the fact that Nightcow has all of the money.

So if we slowly weed through the unconfirmed/unknowns, we'll eventually win this game.

I'm surprised I'm not dead either, but given the game-context, a doctor isn't as useful as it is in a normal set-up, and I've yet to save someone correctly, so my claim isn't confirmed yet. By leaving me alive, I'm a viable lynch-target.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Ok CES, so as long as there is A DOCTOR IN THIS GAME, Mafia can NOT go after me or Nightcow as one of us is likely to be protected by the doctor. If they take a shot at us, they're pretty much taking a 50% chance their nightkill gets stopped.

Now as long as Vaughn is alive, the Scum can also not kill the doctor without killing Vaughn!

That means if Vaughn is lying scumbag, and the scum kill the doctor, we get vaughn lynched the next day! As long as the doctor is alive, the money supply and the lynch will be firmly in the town's hands!

Thus there's no reason to go after Vaughn whatsoever! If he's scum then he's keeping our doctor alive and if WE WERE UNFORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE THE SCUM NIGHTKILL OUR DOCTOR, we'd then be able to nail Vaughn the next day.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

When I read the thread to catch up, wasn't Twomz our paranoid Cop? That's what I beleived, so I didn't think saving him would be as worthwhile as saving a confirmed mason.

But Nightcow was a lot less likely to be targetted. There's no one person that truly needs to stay alive, so the doc can try to protect other players in the hope of actually preventing a kill and thereby making him(/her?)self more useful than just keeping the one person alive. Especially if you were the doc, then they'd always be able to kill you and then Nightcow anyway.

I particularly don't like CES's attitude towards this game. I think town clearly has the advantage here, due to the fact that Nightcow has all of the money.

So if we slowly weed through the unconfirmed/unknowns, we'll eventually win this game.

Actually it's not that easy. Right now we have 2 confirmed players. We might be able to clear 1 or 2 more based on their claim. As it is, it'll probably come down to the endgame. But if the doc successfully protects, then we're looking much better already. That's another reason I don't believe the scum let you live.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Pooky, keeping a fake doc alive helps the scum find our real doctor. And Vaughn is pretty much doomed anyway. He's not gonna survive to the endgame.

That said, I don't think I'll convince anyone anyway and there's probably still 3 scum left, so I suggest we drop this issue for now.

[Twomz]

Bah?! GL town, down w/ the scum, etc.