Mini 521 (SMSM, Ended)

[SomeStrangeSimenon]

That was simenon. I obviously think voting pooky right now is a bad idea.

[SomeStrangeSimenon]

And I would like to continue with the powerclaiming.

[ryan]

Why do you think Pooky is a bad lynch?

[mith]

Vote Count:

4 to lynch.

PookyTheMagicalBear: 2 (Max, ryan)

[SomeStrangeSimenon]

Why do you think Pooky is a bad lynch?

I don't think he's a bad lynch, but I think his lynch is bad right now. With two votes piling on so quickly, it's unlikely the there are any scum outside of Max-Ryan-Pooky. I would at least like claims from all three before I land my vote.

I don't know why ssf was being so irresponsible.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Um. I know they are subtown.. You can read the first post of this thread where their alignments are listed.

Basically I'm really fustrated with this game because I have been saying and outlining since day one why I believe our best option is to go for a Fiasco/Sarcastro Metalynch.

Nobody has decided to either support my plan nor provide a reason why my reasoning is bad or invalid. Nobody has come up with an alternate method for finding metascum.

Basically I'm annoyed and fustrated at this game because it seems to me that none of you are playing or paying attention.

[Simenon]

I either:
Don't understand the sarcastro metalynch or
I think it's farfetched.

I expect metascum are going to have the metagame far from their minds right now, so I doubt they would be making moves solely for the metagame.

I think we should be hunting for subscum metascum in this game, largely because I feel after receiving two scum pms the submeta scum are going to start posting by the same patterns, thus they will be the easiest to catch.

Next, we should look for subtown players who just don't want to post or put in any effort. They could be metascum.

And when we are in lylo, we should try to gain as much advantage over subscum as we can, just so we can continue gaining information on metascum.

Which is why today I am going to focus on winning the game for the subtown.

[ryan]

Why do you think Pooky is a bad lynch?

I don't think he's a bad lynch, but I think his lynch is bad right now. With two votes piling on so quickly, it's unlikely the there are any scum outside of Max-Ryan-Pooky. I would at least like claims from all three before I land my vote.

I don't know why ssf was being so irresponsible.

I already claimed AND gave my blocks

[SomeStrangeSimenon]

Yes, and I'm not saying you did not.

Actually, our two claimed power roles are voting pooky, so I will consider doing so once everyone checks in.

[ryan]

Yes, and I'm not saying you did not.

Actually, our two claimed power roles are voting pooky, so I will consider doing so once everyone checks in.

I'm sorry if I missed this, have you claimed?

[Simenon]

Yes.

[Adele]

Okay. I want a lynch to go through today, and I'm not happy with Pooky's contribution ("I think these people are metascum so you should all follow me in throwing the subgame, and if you don't understand my point you should definately follow my ideas because you can't refute them, rather than playing like makes sense to you at least at first").

vote: Pooky

for so angrily discouraging subgame play.

[mith]

Deadline:

Approximately 63.5 hours from this post.

Vote Count:

4 to lynch.

PookyTheMagicalBear: 3 (Adele, Max, ryan)

Thorned Rose will be replaced as soon as a replacement is found.

[SomeStrangeSimenon]

That was pretty easy.

):

Vote Pooky

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[WaterboyWaldo]

Next, we should look for subtown players who just don't want to post or put in any effort. They could be metascum.

Or they could be subtown players who just don't care. >_>

[Adele]

It's difficult to care when you don't understand the consequences...

[ryan]

Don't we now have a lynch?

[mith]

Final Vote Count:

4 to lynch.

PookyTheMagicalBear: 4 (Adele, Max, ryan, SomeStrangeSimenon)

[mith]

(Scene to be added)

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PookyTheMagicalBear (Townie) has been lynched.

[mith]

(Scene to be added)

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Mafia (WaterboyWaldo, Thorned Rose, SomeStrangeSimenon) wins subgame 1!.

Roles:

WaterboyWaldo: Mafia Godfather
Thorned Rose: Mafia Roleblocker
SomeStrangeSimenon: Mafia Goon
kabenon007: Doctor
Max: Doctor
ryan: Roleblocker
Sammich: Townie
PookyTheMagicalBear: Townie
Fiasco: Townie
Xdaamno: Townie
Adele: Townie
Sarcastro: Townie

It is now the Metagame Voting Phase. Since it's the weekend, deadline with be 96 hours from this post rather than the normal 72. Send preference lists for who you would like to see eliminated, from first choice to last, by PM. The winners of the subgame are exempt. MetaMafia should also send a target for their kill.

You may discuss in-thread during this time.

[mith]

DrippingGoofball replaces Thorned Rose.

[SomeStrangeSimenon]

Right, we need to spend this time figuring out exactly what we're actually looking for.

We need to determine which of the subtownies are most likely to be metamafia. The question is, though, how do we do that?

I think that metamafia play will involve, in some shape, manner or form, the sabotage of a subgame(s) to further the means of the metamafia as a whole. We have nine names, from which to form two lynches:

Adele
Fiasco
kabenon007
Max
PookyTheMagicalBear
ryan
Sammich
Sarcastro
Xdaamno

So what now..?

Love, Flea

[kabenon007]

I think the only thing we can do at the moment is decide who is trying to sabotage the subgames... and Pooky is right up there at the top of my list for trying to get the subtown to give up, thereby manipulating the subgame to his own ends. He could be town manipulating but I don't think so.

[Fiasco]

I'll try to summarize and respond to Pooky's case against me.

In each subgame, the better you play, the smaller the chance you'll lose and be up for lynch. As a metatownie, you know you're a metatownie, and so you don't want yourself to be up for lynch. So all else being equal, metatownies should play for the win, no matter what subgame side they're on.

Pooky attacked me for saying this. He pointed out that metascums, like metatownies, on average want their side to win; and that playing for a subgame win is therefore not a metatown tell. This is true, and I never disputed it. In a normal game, not-voting-for-yourself is something both townies and scums want to do. That doesn't mean townies shouldn't do it. He also pointed out that, if everyone plays better in the subgame, this does not help the metatown. This is also true. However, you control only your own actions, and playing better as a metatownie does not directly cause the metascum to play better too --

unless

you can set up a system of bad subgame play (like voting on which side will throw the game) in such a way that people who refuse to do bad subtown play can be punished later. This is a real possibility that I missed until Pooky brought it up. I now think it's probably flawed, because how do you make a

credible

threat of punishment against someone you happen not to believe is scum?

Pooky's theory is that my claims on this were obviously wrong, and that I knew this. But I don't do craplogic. You will not find many examples of intentional bad logic in past games where I was scum. That alone should explode Pooky's case against me.

I don't buy Pooky's case against Sarcastro, either. His theory is the metascum among the subscum wanted Sarcastro dead, because Sarcastro is another metascum, and, according to Pooky, the metascum believed the N1 kill would cause Sarcastro not to be metalynched. This requires the subscum metascum to be a bit stupid. Moreover, it requires that one or two metascum be subscum, and in that case, why wasn't Pooky arguing for a town win?

I hope this was an accurate representation of Pooky's case. I will probably not have any more to say about this. Further posts will be less verbose.

[Fiasco]

playing better as a metatownie does not directly cause the metascum to play better too

I guess that should read "worse" and "worse".