Mini 1568: Another Awesome Alliteration Adventure (over)

[N]

areola

noun
1. a ring of color, as around the human nipple.
2. a small interstice, as between the fibers of connective tissue.

Vote Count 2.03

toolenduso

(0)

The Betting Pool

(0)

Rubicon

(0)

mnemonicdevice

(0)

Jargonaut

(0)

Dunhamganger

(2)

Egg, Rubicon

MTD

(0)

T S O

(0)

Riptide

(2)

Burning_Earth, Jargonaut

Burning_Earth

(1) toolenduso

Egg

(0)

Not Voting

(6) The Betting Pool, mnemonicdevice, Dunhamganger, MTD, T S O, Riptide

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2014-05-11 23:11:32)

Prodding mnemonicdevice

[T S O]

I don't think that post is actually particularly bad - it's one of Cho's best posts, Burning_Earth.

[toolenduso]

@Tool: I'm referring to the first and second posts of mine that you quoted in your reads list.

OK, so to recap, you're saying if you wanted to unvote you would have just done it in that first post I quoted where you said you were retracting the meta part of your argument.

Fair enough, but that's exactly what makes me suspicious. Why wouldn't you have just unvoted then?

Where is the logic behind me waiting to unvote TSO so that I can vote someone else, but then not actually knowing who to vote? Doesn't the idea of me wanting to vote someone else imply that I have someone else in mind to vote?

No, because scum have no genuine town motivation behind voting for somebody. So it would make sense for scum to want to vote for somebody else but not be sure who.

The fact that you don't seem to understand that actually makes me feel a little better about your slot though because it suggests you don't understand how scum would see things. Not enough to make you a townread, but it makes you a little less suspicious.

It would be helpful for me if I could see your scum games. Could you provide links?

This while scenario is convoluted, and it seems like you are just trying to make something seem scummy when it isn't.

You're getting bogged down in the fringes of what I said. The core of my argument is this. These behaviors:

-Retracting the biggest part of your argument for scumreading someone
-Declaring that they are still your biggest suspect
-Keeping your vote on them anyway

Seem scummy to me because they contradict each other and therefore suggest that your motives aren't genuine.

[toolenduso]

I don't think that post is actually particularly bad - it's one of Cho's best posts, Burning_Earth.

I don't agree that it's one of Cho's best posts, but I don't think it was particularly scummy either. Now that you point it out, B_E pointing to that post as the main reason he flip-flopped and voted for Cho makes B_E look worse in my eyes. There was plenty to scumread Cho for before that post, but that's the one that made him switch? Seems like shallow reasoning to me.

[Riptide]

Well, since dice seems to be busy-
Rubicon, why the unvote on us if you didn't think that posting my ISO of Elyse didn't really make me town?

[Rubicon]

I said it probably did make you town

[N]

Prodding Dunhamganger and Egg

BipolarChemist replaces mnemonicdevice

[mnemonicdevice]

Nooo... And I was right about to post again. Oh well, Chemist can take the slot, since I am probably going to continue being inactive.

[Burning_Earth]

Welcome to our game BipolarChemist! You are a great person in every way!

Now join my wagon

[Riptide]

Why are you voting us again, BE?

- Dice

[Jargonaut]

@Tool: I'm referring to the first and second posts of mine that you quoted in your reads list.

OK, so to recap, you're saying if you wanted to unvote you would have just done it in that first post I quoted where you said you were retracting the meta part of your argument.

Fair enough, but that's exactly what makes me suspicious. Why wouldn't you have just unvoted then?

You'll notice that between my posts 87 and 209, multiple people said that TSO's play at the time was similar to his town meta. I hadn't really thought about TSO for a while after reading those posts, so when Cho's post reminded me of my vote on him, I decided it no longer had merit.

Where is the logic behind me waiting to unvote TSO so that I can vote someone else, but then not actually knowing who to vote? Doesn't the idea of me wanting to vote someone else imply that I have someone else in mind to vote?

No, because scum have no genuine town motivation behind voting for somebody. So it would make sense for scum to want to vote for somebody else but not be sure who.

The fact that you don't seem to understand that actually makes me feel a little better about your slot though because it suggests you don't understand how scum would see things. Not enough to make you a townread, but it makes you a little less suspicious.

It would be helpful for me if I could see your scum games. Could you provide links?

I'm not sure how that emoticon got in my post... for a second I thought you added it to point something out in the quote. That's really weird.

Anyway, you said that I was waiting to unvote TSO so that I could "hop on a more viable wagon." The key word here is

waiting

. If I were

waiting

to hop on a new wagon, wouldn't that imply that I already wanted to get on a new wagon and thus had a wagon in mind to get on? If I'm

waiting

to do something, why wouldn't I do it?
You also haven't explained to me why it makes sense for me

as scum

to wait to unvote if I had some better wagon to be on anyway.

This while scenario is convoluted, and it seems like you are just trying to make something seem scummy when it isn't.

You're getting bogged down in the fringes of what I said. The core of my argument is this. These behaviors:

-Retracting the biggest part of your argument for scumreading someone
-Declaring that they are still your biggest suspect
-Keeping your vote on them anyway

Seem scummy to me because they contradict each other and therefore suggest that your motives aren't genuine.

I already responded to Cho when she said that exact same thing. You've read the post, I'm sure, seeing as you already quoted it.

The reason I said your scenario is convoluted is because there doesn't seem to be scum motivation for me to do the things you are saying I did.

If you take away the first point (which I've already responded to), the perceived contradiction vanishes. Like I said, it seems like you looking for ways for my behavior to be scummy and finding examples that don't hold up.

[Egg]

Hi. I got prodded.

[MTD]

Hi BPC

[BipolarChemist]

Hi hi! I'll get caught up hopefully later today!

[Dunhamganger]

Sorry guys, my laptop issue has become a nightmare. It's possible I need an entirely new laptop, which would mean I could only post from work (not ideal. Or possible). Should hear back by tomorrow.

[T S O]

The Jargonaut-scum argument bores me because it feels like it's more rhetoric than anyway solid.

Activity is shit. Prod everyone, N, and I include myself in this.

[T S O]

Oh, yes, that's what I couldn't think of - I want the Elyse-scum argument, Riptide, and I don't want you diluting it from necromancy. In your next post, please.

[Burning_Earth]

Oh, yes, that's what I couldn't think of - I want the Elyse-scum argument, Riptide, and I don't want you diluting it from necromancy. In your next post, please.

Yes. I agree with TSO.

If, of course, it exists.

[Riptide]

Go reread page 13...
-HS

[Riptide]

Oh, and

Why are you voting us again, BE?

- Dice

-HS

[Burning_Earth]

Burning_Earth- Why the third vote on Egg on pg1?

@Cho - So let me get this straight. You made those three unlynchables because of their RVS votes?

- Dice

So you see them as unlynchable, but not as concrete town?

I'm bad at this.

What about there RVS votes make you think they should not be lynched today?

- dice

I'm not really good with hydras yet. :p

I'm getting too many townreads. Need to talk it over with HS.

My case on riptide.

Riptide attacked cho without voting her until other people had.

Another masterpiece from B_E cases TM

[BipolarChemist]

Well what the fuck.

I totally and utterly agree with a train on...

Spoiler:

Dunhamganger

In his D1 play, it did feel like he didn't give a shit, but that can easily be misconstrued with scum struggling to post. He was a bit fency with Cho, wanting to vote but not placing anything. Finally when he did vote, he gave no reasoning and I just found the way he did it to be scummy.

Overall, this is my reads list under this line! Ask me about my reads, as if I just post a huge Wall no one will read!

Spoiler:

Town

• Tool
  TBP

Null-Town

• T S O
  Rubicon

Null

• Jargo
  Riptide

Null-Scum

• MTD
  Egg

Scum

• Burning_Earth
  Dunhamganger

VOTE: Dunhamganger

So, what's up avrybuddy? Gimme some thoughts.

[Riptide]

Burning_Earth- Why the third vote on Egg on pg1?

@Cho - So let me get this straight. You made those three unlynchables because of their RVS votes?

- Dice

So you see them as unlynchable, but not as concrete town?

I'm bad at this.

What about there RVS votes make you think they should not be lynched today?

- dice

I'm not really good with hydras yet. :p

I'm getting too many townreads. Need to talk it over with HS.

My case on riptide.

Riptide attacked cho without voting her until other people had.

Another masterpiece from B_E cases TM

I'm gonna use myself as an example- you read my case/ISO on Elyse? You saw how I explained what I was thinking as I was looking through the posts? Please do.

[BipolarChemist]

That sounded quite angry there, Riptide. Defensive much?

[Burning_Earth]

vote the 3dice hydra

10 RVS means nothing right now.
25 MTD makes an RVS vote. Big deal. Woop-dee-doo he says people OMGUS'd. Is that really enough to deserve a serious vote? Or is it scum trying to look like they're doing something?(Yes, I'm using your own argument against you. Tit for tat.)
63 I've already commented on this one, here's the link- 78
80 Buuut I like being productive and trying to get out of RVS. So I'm going to ask a question to get us out of RVS.
Bad excuse is bad. Nowhere had you mentioned thinking that "them OMGUS's were incredible" was trying to justify anything. You just said he was trying to avoid commentary.
82 This is just WIFOM. There is no other word to describe it.
112 It's. Not. A. Dumb. Question.
114 No, you just said it was dumb. No explanation for it.
156 This post is boring for me. It felt as if it should've happened sooner, honestly.
162 Well, this is the post we're responding to above, so...(and here be it-

The RVS question (While not me, nor my specialty in RVS) actually was not as dumb as you think. It draws reactions, like yours, which was pretty scummy by the way. Considering this is a hydra, and we have to work out our thoughts together, no we did not have much content at the time, but that is changing as the game progresses.

Nowhere were the words "textbook" and "newbscum" used together. I said you were "nearly textbook buddying." To me it looked like that IF Cho flipped town, then you as scum was trying to get credit for calling her a town read. Also, you were defending her, possibly making her think you were town for doing so, simply because of the fact that you "helped" her.

Also, you criticize us for making a question, but the you also criticize us for only attacking certain people. That makes no sense. Also, at the time, the only person we really attacked was you. Everyone else we mentioned was someone we were starting to engage.
188 Yeah, um, I never knew you stopped either.
231 Yeah we are. Look at our interactions with you. Also, I watch and get reads from others' interactions with each other early D1, which is one reason I haven't been very active.
235 This is a weird post. Confirmation bias goes either way. Everybody does it. It's human nature.
237 And just a question that really IS pointless because Elyse isn't being patient.


Sorry, for the formatting of course. You'll definitely want another window open.
B_E is a ninja

Oh this is your elyse case

All the links are fucked up