Mini 404: Diablo Mafia (Game Over)

[Skruffs]

... from what you can tell??? You either are or are not.
Ugh, now I feel crappy for pointing out who was defending you

[DragonsofSummer]

Well right but it doesn't come right out and state that we are masons anywhere. It gives us all the characteristics of a mason group, and so that it what I labeled it as.

[Thestatusquo]

Can you or can you not talk to other people at night.

[DragonsofSummer]

Yes I can talk to the other council members at night.

[Thestatusquo]

Ok. For gods sakes do not reveal who they are.

I am going to believe you for now, on the basis that you will eventually be proven wrong if you are lying.

unvote, vote TJM

[Save The Dragons]

I think they both lie. It is pretty obvious that TJM is scum.

DoS is possibly telling the truth, however...or at least he knows his shit. He did claim an obscure role.

Fake claims are not a requirement of modding. People need to be able to think up claims on thier own to suit the role they decide to play. Not that fake claims are a bad thing, but they aren't a necessity either.

FoS: Skruffs some more...

it seems you are construing false connections. I'd believe CES is attacking TJM rather than defending DoS.

If TJM is really scum, then it's quite probable that there are no fake claims in this game, and DoS is probably on the level. Something still bothers me about his claim, and he's not escaping the excruciating light of suspicion that has been cast upon him in my eyes at least.

Also, I would say TJM is definately scum and it seems you are trying to protect him. My eye is watching you.

[Skruffs]

I am not 'construing' anything, I'm merely wondering why some players are

so

intent on one of those two people getting lynched. DOS and TJM are tied in regards to votes - so if one of them is scum, it stands to reason that their buddies would be more safely Attacking the other person as a defense for the first, right? blahblahblah nobody reads this part anyways. Or, if neither of them are scum, they could aggravate attacks on Either of them to get one quickly lynched before town really has the chance to think about it.

One claim being more believable does not make the other claim inherently scummy.

This is not a coin flip - and I think that CES and TSQ's actions are scummier than the two people who - until counterclaimed, might as well be accepted.

THere could be *no* good lynch between the two of them. I tried to make my post seem as neutral as possible - where does it seem that I am trying to protect TJM? In scum chat, TJM would already be lynched, a neutral claim is scummy and makes it very easy for town to feel guiltless for lynching you (as CES has already ascribed) I agree with that. But I'm not going to go rabishly after either one; neither of their claims can be disproved unless we lynch them.

WHY the hell am I so dyslexic with -ing words?! Good grief
TJM is at -1; I'm not going to hammer him.
I will, however, unvote the claimed mason.

Unvote

[Thestatusquo]

Unvote

the problem is that I have two people who I feel have played very scummy games, and two claims which I kinda believe. I am going to have to think this over.

[remussaidow]

Skruffs, when did I accept his claim. I just said that I knew that that name was in the game, versus one that I didn't think was in it.


Also, to who ever said anything about the researching bit...

The Diablo series is my favorite game series. Ever. I joined this game because I thought that I'd have an upper hand because of the fact that I should be able to recognize any roleclaims...

And Guybrush, if he's in the games (which I don't believe he is) is most definately NOT evil aligned. Which we are told all of us are. Is it so very wrong to not believe that claim?

I do believe the mason claim, however, as it fits with the council idea.

[chaotic_diablo]

I don't believe TJM's claim given that his name does not coincide with the theme of the game. However, I'm cautious about one of those out of sync roles that are used to prevent a mass name claiming. I'm keeping my vote on him.

[Mr. Flay]

Yeah, but an out-of-sync role usually doesn't end up Neutral Survivor. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's a crappy thing to do to a player.

And the Council makes sense as a Mason/find the Masons group, which doesn't necessarily make it an accurate claim. If he's alive tomorrow, can we deal with it then?

[Thestatusquo]

Thing is that I kinda want to leave them both till tommorow, because I would give 50-50 odds on each being town right now.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

How would leaving TJM alive help us determine his alignment?

And what Mr Flay says is true, Improbable Roles are supposed to be Town.

[Skruffs]

Thinking about Guybrush. Probably neutral, and not, say, evil. Well in his game series he's the hero, defeating villainy the world over.
So that would make him evil in this game, since all of us are evil, and he's good, it would be like a dungeon master game where the heros are bad guys intruding on dungeons. Har har. So that leads me tothink maybe he's an SK. BUT.
He's not here to take over hell, is he? No, don't think so, he's claiming to just be here to survive it - so he has no intentions of taking over, therefore, not aligned with lesser evils, not trying to usurp the bigger evils, therefore, he's very possibly neutral in this game, even if he is 'good' himself in his own games.

I'm glad TSQ sees my earlier point. YAY! I feel validated as a human being.

[Skruffs]

err.. as a demon, i mean. An evil demon who wants hell to be kept under it's original control. >.> Go Diablo go wooooo

[Skruffs]

Last note : I *would* rather lynch the human than a claimed demon. Brotherhood of the damned and all that. HE has no business intruding on our business anyways. Stupid fleshy!

[Thestatusquo]

CES, my point is that I think they might both be town, so I want to get back to scum hunting for today.

[Zindaras]

Official Voting Update

:

DragonsofSummer

: 3 (remussaidow, TheJiveMachine, livingod)

TheJiveMachine

: 5 (DragonsofSummer, chaotic_diablo, Save the Dragons, Mr. Flay, Cogito Ergo Sum)

Not Voting

: 4 (Aelyn, Cheesefan, Skruffs, Thestatusquo)

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

[remussaidow]

oh

unvote

I do believe the mason claim.

[Skruffs]

Jive, you are going to be lynched thruogh apathy.

[remussaidow]

The more I think about it, the less I believe Jive's claim. I mean, the chracter name isn't from diablo. The role of survivor is incredibly uncommon in mini games, and it also does not fit into the diablo theme at all, from what I can tell. If anyone were the survivor through the mafia games, I'd have to say it was Cain, because that character lived through everything. That being said, we were told that we're all evil, yet he claimed an alignment that was, undoubtably, good for the game he was in.

vote: Thejivemachine

[Thestatusquo]

Pat, do you do anything besides follow the tides?

[remussaidow]

you might want to check on who the first person was to say that his name claim didn't click there shea.

[Thestatusquo]

And then you unvoted when the tide of the town looked like it was going to believe it, and revoted when skruffs said he might get lynched. Plus, everything you said in order to support your position is stuff that has already been said in thread several times, and before you unvoted too. It looks more like you're trying to follow the town, more than vote scum.

[chaotic_diablo]

I think we should lynch TJM.

1. The claim is untestable. Having an untestable role forces the cop to investigate. Since scum already know the result, it forces the cop to waste an investigation. With a guilty investigation, the cop

may

come out the next day and scum will know who it is. There are many possibilities and reasons for an untestable claim, but I think it's common knowledge that untestable claims are scummy.

2. TJM claimed a survivor. As a survivor, TJM is not obligated to help in the search of scum. If he is alive near end game, then he will do what he will in order to win. This might include backstabbing the town so he can win with scum. Not only is this a danger to us, it gives scum an advantage we don't want. While I don't really think backstabbing may come into play, it still represents a possible danger to the town. If TJM is scum, then a survivor is a great cover role for not helping us.

3. The only reason TJM is alive is because of baseless theories on the theme. The argument that his role is too ridiculous to be false is crap logic. I'm going with his role is ridiculous so it's false.