Otherkin

[Ythan]

How harmful.

[Nancy Drew 39]

If you give a child a big bag of candy, they will be very happy.

However, it is not healthy for them to eat all of that candy.

I am merely trying to take away the candy. Not all of the candy. Just most of it.

However, other people in this thread insist on giving the candy back. Not only this, but they suggest that I am mean for trying to take the candy away.

In this situation, being "nice" leads to a child having diabetes and being "mean" leads to a healthy child who eats a reasonable amount of candy.

We see that niceness does not equate to kindness.

Are we again back to the meth argument but this time you’re throwing up diabetes? Someone seriously ought to make a stand up comedy routine our of all of the bizarro examples you keep coming up with.

So your point is what exactly? AG needs to spend way more time at the dentist? lmfaoooo

[brighteningskies]

As far as I'm aware otherkin isn't usually as simple as believing you are that person although that might be an aspect of it. It's more complex than just that. I had a lot of friends in an otherkin community which is in part why I'm bothering in this thread so much. Factually a person will know for example they're not a wolf, but in their corner on the internet they can be that wolf. In real life if a person was going up to you and saying they were a fictional character that might not be appropriate for our society but surely on a corner of the internet made for playing forum based games you can butt out of someone's life enough to acknowledge that you don't know their circumstances.

If the only way their identity is affecting you is through their use of a blue post colour or 8 in their posts rather than the incredibly awkward idea of someone being a literal deity then it's not a big deal from that perspective. So then it leaves the healthy side of things. Which again you cannot fully understand because none of you are qualified therapists or have anything but a slight understanding of their everyday life.

[brighteningskies]

Anyway are y'all done being unqualified therapists that no one asked for and can we talk about something not shitty.

[Fluminator]

you're also an unqualified therapist so why are you so certain this is a healthy thing for a person to do?

[panthaleon]

There's quite a bit of snow showing that insulting, demeaning, belittling, and rejecting a person damages their mental health. That's, like, THE research for lgbtq youths

[brighteningskies]

you're also an unqualified therapist so why are you so certain this is a healthy thing for a person to do?

I don't know either way so I'm trying to leave their life choices alone! The same basic respect I'd expect from anyone else yknow.

[brighteningskies]

I don't know what fluffy adorable animal is your favourite for example but I like cats and dogs a lot personally. I'm not gonna judge you if you like taratulas even if those can be dangerous in some situations. They're cool animals. This isn't really even a tangible metaphor I just really like animals they're neat.

[xofelf]

It's not on us to decide whether it is or isn't harmful to a person. If they aren't harming anybody else, then we can just leave them be. Sure we may want them to consider whether or not it's harmful to them, but it's their life to live how they see fit, we don't need to be awful about it at them.

[Nancy Drew 39]

[brighteningskies]

Nancy those are some quality animal gifs

[Nancy Drew 39]

It's not on us to decide whether it is or isn't harmful to a person. If they aren't harming anybody else, then we can just leave them be. Sure we may want them to consider whether or not it's harmful to them, but it's their life to live how they see fit, we don't need to be awful about it at them.

+1

[chamber]

Of course none of us are capable of evaluating someones mental health over the internet. But if there is a giant fucking red flag, ignoring that in favour of enthusiastically supporting them rather than suggesting they actually get evaluated by a mental health professional is irresponsible. I could talk more specifically but I'm trying to make my point more general out of respect for her desire to not be analyzed.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy those are some quality animal gifs

[Nancy Drew 39]

Of course none of us are capable of evaluating someones mental health over the internet. But if there is a giant fucking red flag, ignoring that in favour of enthusiastically supporting them rather than suggesting they actually get evaluated by a mental health professional is irresponsible. I could talk more specifically but I'm trying to make my point more general out of respect for her desire to not be analyzed.

If she says she’s content, why should she even bother?

Therapist: Why are you here exactly?

AG: Well meaning internet folks told me that despite being perfectly happy with my life, this was actually necessary . . . for reasons.

[Fluminator]

It's not on us to decide whether it is or isn't harmful to a person. If they aren't harming anybody else, then we can just leave them be. Sure we may want them to consider whether or not it's harmful to them, but it's their life to live how they see fit, we don't need to be awful about it at them.

I mean, Vriska won't listen to my advice unless she asks for it which is why I'm not engaging with her that much or bothering.

I've heard otherkins getting lumped in with transgenders really damage the transgender movement (see the attack helicopter copypasta)

And I've personally learned avoiding reality is not a good long term solution to living a fulfilling life and seen the results of both in other people. So i am concerned for her.

[Nancy Drew 39]

People seek therapy when they’re unhappy, if she says she isn’t, I don’t see how it’s anyone’s place to tell her she needs to see a shrink.

Anyone who’s actually been reading her posts would realize that she’s been struggling for some time and this has helped her more than anything, we should all be so lucky. Her solution is obviously not mine but if she’s happy and not hurting anyone and her posts express clear cohesion and clarity of thought, why can’t people just accept that and stop being meddling busybodies wrt her life?

[Fluminator]

Nope, not convinced this will be long term helpful for her because she's posting clearly. And that everyone should be necessarily encouraging it.
But we can agree to disagree.

I wish you the best life Vriska and good luck

[Aurathebirb]

I'm comfortable ending this conversation. Doesn't seem like we're getting anywhere.

Odds are the Vriskas will sort themselves out in time anyway.

[panthaleon]

It's not on us to decide whether it is or isn't harmful to a person. If they aren't harming anybody else, then we can just leave them be. Sure we may want them to consider whether or not it's harmful to them, but it's their life to live how they see fit, we don't need to be awful about it at them.

I mean, Vriska won't listen to my advice unless she asks for it which is why I'm not engaging with her that much or bothering.

I've heard otherkins getting lumped in with transgenders really damage the transgender movement (see the attack helicopter copypasta)

And I've personally learned avoiding reality is not a good long term solution to living a fulfilling life and seen the results of both in other people. So i am concerned for her.

Fuck off

[panthaleon]

I'm comfortable ending this conversation. Doesn't seem like we're getting anywhere.

Odds are the Vriskas will sort themselves out in time anyway.

How are you still allowed to post

[Vijarada]

Of course none of us are capable of evaluating someones mental health over the internet. But if there is a giant fucking red flag, ignoring that in favour of enthusiastically supporting them rather than suggesting they actually get evaluated by a mental health professional is irresponsible. I could talk more specifically but I'm trying to make my point more general out of respect for her desire to not be analyzed.

i don't think anyone needs to 'enthusiastically support' anybody, just let them exist without weird threads psychoanalyzing them in their first two weeks on site.

that person AG actually seems remarkably eloquent about her identity (which she shouldn't really have to be). you (the users of this site) should welcome her on her own merits as a user.

[Aurathebirb]

I will not post in this thread again unless pants does

[panthaleon]

Weren't you permabanned vij?

[Vijarada]

It's not on us to decide whether it is or isn't harmful to a person. If they aren't harming anybody else, then we can just leave them be. Sure we may want them to consider whether or not it's harmful to them, but it's their life to live how they see fit, we don't need to be awful about it at them.

I mean, Vriska won't listen to my advice unless she asks for it which is why I'm not engaging with her that much or bothering.

I've heard otherkins getting lumped in with transgenders really damage the transgender movement (see the attack helicopter copypasta)

And I've personally learned avoiding reality is not a good long term solution to living a fulfilling life and seen the results of both in other people. So i am concerned for her.

so flum it's a minor thing but transgender people are usually not referred to as 'transgenders', it's a sort of derogatory inflection (although not on the level of a serious slur, of course).

i also think saying "Transgender people have struggled due to otherkin" is just a wrong statement. blaming a tiny and politically powerless minority of individuals (otherkin) instead of the reactionary majority that actually does make it hard for transgender people kind of helps that majority oppress yet another group instead of actually working against it.

just what i think.