Countdown of the Illuminati GAME OVER

[Albert B. Rampage]

Albert, I don't agree. Because that's how sure I was that armlx was scum.

This is utterly stupid. We were bandwagonning player A. You went off during this time, and pressured player B. Even if he was scum, he would have time to send his own kill list before being eventually lynched, if ever. Therefore, you should have waited for player A to be lynched before pressing your case on player B. Holding off from finishing a player off is tantamount to suicide and bad play as TOWN. But you're not town now, are you DG ?

I don't see how this works, and why I'd want to rush into lynching a player whom I believed to be a townie, when he was already at minus 1 or 2.

Because your opinion is worthless in the grander scheme of things, comrade. Stalin would be ashamed of you.

[DrippingGoofball]

Because your opinion is worthless in the grander scheme of things, comrade. Stalin would be ashamed of you.

If Stalin was ashamed of me, I'd wear it as a badge of honor, haha.

This is what I picked up from Miztef:

vote:

guardian
Max
muffin (scum)
armlx (scum)

FOS:

Ooba
Neko
Sarcastro (mason)
Samruc
dahill1


I think Miztef cannot be ruled out as the SK considering his voting pattern.

I looked at ABR's voting pattern, and I can't draw conclusions either way.

dahill votes:

neko
muffin (scum)
miztef
lloyd (scum)
armlx (scum)
flameaxe

Dahill could be anything.

OK, that was a pointless exercize.

[Miztef]

The evidence against DGB is there, but her logic isn't bad. If she thought Armlx was bad and lloyd was good, then why would she want to kill lloyd. Just because a bandwagon has started doesn't always mean it's in the best interest of the town to kill that person.

Albert, your mindset of "Bandwagons = always good" and "quicklynch everyone!" seems like one of the most SK like things I've seen in the game. It's almost too obviously SK like.

However, I can't help but get the feeling that the SK would want to hide themselves as best as possible. I believe the SK would probably post only a medicore amount, and try to have all his/her information as sound as possible to look pro-town.

In regards to "the list" of possible SK candidates, I'm thinking dahill is the most likely out of all them for SK. He has been in the "bum rush" of every player so far (to my knowledge), and has voted in other promising lynches as well (neko, flameaxe, myself). His posts are agreeable and helps keep him out of lurker range, but not in lots of activity range. twice he "forgot" that I was near lynch, and both times convinced him not to vote me. Thinking as an SK, the mafia are the only enemy you can find and look good in the town, so when I say I was near lynch, it seems to convince him I'm not scum, but I still could be SK. He doesn't even mention that I could be SK.

Dahill also pushed my idea that the SK could be outside of "the list"which would protect his hide if he is the SK.

He mentions as well that he'd like to "outpace the SK", which would mean more killings in this game overall. Not sure if he even realized (as SK) that the SK does get extra kills after each lynch.

[Guardian]

tbh, i find that a town tell for dahill. im not sk and i didnt notice that too, i think sk would read their role PM.

my gut has been pretty solid this game.

vote: Flameaxe

[DrippingGoofball]

my gut has been pretty solid this game.

vote: Flameaxe

I'd love to join you, since Flameaxe's contribution is rubbish (though par for the course), but don't you think Flameaxe would have killed me by now? I'm rather inclined to think Flameaxe doesn't have a killing role.

[DrippingGoofball]

Also, I think it would be ideal to lynch the SK as soon as possible, as the existence of a SK that can kill once a week severely cuts back our discussion time.

Is this true? Once a week? I had to check.

The Serial Killer may attempt a "guranteed kill" if he has not performed a "guranteed kill" within the last realtime week

or if the town has lynched since his last guranteed kill

. A guranteed kill will always kill its target.

A Serial Killer may also attempt a "risky kill" at any time, the format being Kill:Playername:(Mafia, Mason or Townie)

If he is correct in his choice of Mafia, Mason or Townie, his kill will go through.

If he is incorrect, he will lose the "risky kill" ability forever.

Er, neko is wrong, I guess. This settled, I say no way that Flameaxe wouldn't have killed me already.

[Guardian]

why would he kill you?

[DrippingGoofball]

why would he kill you?

Oh, he loathes me, maybe?

If he were the SK, would he kill NabNab (I have no idea, maybe someone else knows)?

[farside22]

I find out 3 pages ago. Bah go town.

[neko2086]

We already had this discussion, DGB.

From what I understand the SK can guarantee kill once per week, or after the town has lynched. If we were to lynch right now, for example, we would cancel out that week-long waiting period and the SK could make another guarantee kill

Also, I do not understand what makes you so positive flameaxe would kill you.

If he were the SK, would he kill NabNab (I have no idea, maybe someone else knows)?

I don't see any use in speculating over why NabNab was killed. I see no evidence pointing to anything conclusive.

[Samruc]

People don't heed my warnings. I should have let Max ramble on a bit more about SK's this, SK's that. Now the cat is out of the box... The fact that I'm not dead might be an indication I'm on the right track though.

Albert has impressed me so far in the game, but I'm not feeling his case for DGB. I think she plays like she normally does...

Max, get back and post!

[DrippingGoofball]

People don't heed my warnings. I should have let Max ramble on a bit more about SK's this, SK's that. Now the cat is out of the box... The fact that I'm not dead might be an indication I'm on the right track though.

Please explain further as my jelly-bean sized brain cannot comprehend such advanced concepts. Many thanks.

[Samruc]

Hm, explain what? The SK tell should be pretty obvious what I mean from my last posts, so I take it you mean the NK part.

My thoughts were, that if Max wasn't the SK, I might have been killed to frame him. Nabakov was a much safer kill, since he hadn't really put forward any suspicions. (This is kind of weak though if you don't believe him to be SK from the first part...)

[DrippingGoofball]

Hm, explain what? The SK tell should be pretty obvious what I mean from my last posts, so I take it you mean the NK part.

My thoughts were, that if Max wasn't the SK, I might have been killed to frame him.

I get it up to here. But...

Nabakov was a much safer kill, since he hadn't really put forward any suspicions.

Why wouldn't the SK target player A that suspects player B, to frame player B?

I reckon it's a bit of a red herring, since that's not what happened, but I want to understand your thinking.

[dahill1]

However, I can't help but get the feeling that the SK would want to hide themselves as best as possible. I believe the SK would probably post only a medicore amount, and try to have all his/her information as sound as possible to look pro-town.

In regards to "the list" of possible SK candidates, I'm thinking dahill is the most likely out of all them for SK. He has been in the "bum rush" of every player so far (to my knowledge), and has voted in other promising lynches as well (neko, flameaxe, myself). His posts are agreeable and helps keep him out of lurker range, but not in lots of activity range. twice he "forgot" that I was near lynch, and both times convinced him not to vote me. Thinking as an SK, the mafia are the only enemy you can find and look good in the town, so when I say I was near lynch, it seems to convince him I'm not scum, but I still could be SK. He doesn't even mention that I could be SK.

Dahill also pushed my idea that the SK could be outside of "the list"which would protect his hide if he is the SK.

He mentions as well that he'd like to "outpace the SK", which would mean more killings in this game overall. Not sure if he even realized (as SK) that the SK does get extra kills after each lynch.

i am not the SK.
also, you convinced others, not just me to unvote for you
furthermore, i didn't realize at first that the SK could kill after lynches because i'm not the SK
that is all

[neko2086]

i didn't realize at first that the SK could kill after lynches because i'm not the SK

Having a certain role does not necessarily increase one's attention to detail.

[Guardian]

i didn't realize at first that the SK could kill after lynches because i'm not the SK

Having a certain role does not necessarily increase one's attention to detail.

I disagree. I think as SK, anyone would be much more likely to know how the SK role worked.

No one has yet asserted that dahill was being deceitful, only that he didn't notice how his SK role worked.

I find him not noticing how his SK role worked to be very extremely unlikely.

[Miztef]

i didn't realize at first that the SK could kill after lynches because i'm not the SK

Having a certain role does not necessarily increase one's attention to detail.

I disagree. I think as SK, anyone would be much more likely to know how the SK role worked.

No one has yet asserted that dahill was being deceitful, only that he didn't notice how his SK role worked.

I find him not noticing how his SK role worked to be very extremely unlikely.

ok, but as you said, there is nothing stopping him from being deceitful about it. Faking having false knowledge about it may be a great way to create a WIFOM trap about it.

We should ignore that as evidence against or for him being SK.

[Guardian]

Well, the thing is, no one, until me just there, suggested that he was being deceitful about it.

That, to me, implies that they are making up bullshit, which is anti-town motivated. If this is true, there isn't much room left for dahill to be scum.

Let's see, who said this about dahill...

neko... who else? I can't find who brought this up, for sure.

I found neko scummy earlier. And, one thing I find as a poitn a gainst him, he asked me a question, I missed it an got suspicious of him, and he never brought it up again.

unvote vote neko

[mikeburnfire]

Vote Count:

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

2 DrippingGoofball (Albert B. Rampage, Flameaxe)
2 Neko2086 (DrippingGoofBall, Guardian)
1 Flameaxe (ooba)
1 Max (samruc)
Not Voting: Miztef, Max, Blazerunner, Neko2086, dahill1.

[neko2086]

sorry Guardian, but I didn't understand a damn thing you just said. Do us all a favor and quote or link or something.

Do you think I'm mafia or SK? If you're not sure, which do you think is more likely? Use some sort of reasoning and/or evidence, please.

[Samruc]

Why wouldn't the SK target player A that suspects player B, to frame player B?

He wouldn't if the SK = player B.

[Max]

Not as good as if we had actually lynched him, but still good

Well only an SK would prefer a mafia to be lynched than a failed daykill

Vote:Blazerunner

Max, get back and post!

I'm sorry am I not allowed to not post for a day

Fos: samruc

[Max]

EBWOP: Also the players I thought were scum are all dead

[Blazerunner]

Not as good as if we had actually lynched him, but still good

Well only an SK would prefer a mafia to be lynched than a failed daykill

Vote:Blazerunner

Max, get back and post!

I'm sorry am I not allowed to not post for a day

Fos: samruc

Lol that seems desperate. I said it about Lloyd's death. At that time there were still 2 mafia, and the reason I said it is the reason why we are doing fast wagons -> lynch. If we never had let Lloyd make that daykill, we would have been doing our job better than letting him, that is what I meant. And we never know if Llyoyd didnt sing who he was aiming, witch is potentially not good as well.