Outwitted - Mini 1254 (Game Over)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Unvote, vote: Lurconis

For what it's worth, Zoraster totes didn't bold "may play more than one" at first.

[Yosarian2]

People who look scummier because of the wagon on now-confirmed-town-Andreus: Darox (that lynch -1 vote, and then leaving your vote there after he claimed doc, was just terrible), GreyICE (the way he dropped the lynch -2 vote because I"M BUSSING LOL with zero reason is scummy).

People who look townier because of the Andreus wagon: Actually, Fate does. The fact that he unvoted while the doc was sitting at lynch -1 and two separate people were threatening to hammer is definitely evidence that he's town. If Fate was scum he could have just not posted for a bit and let whatever happened happened.

[Seraphim]

Yeah, this definitely doesn't look like town Yos play. Darox is most definitely not scum which should have become immediately apparent in the last page.

Also,

Serephem

YOSARIAN. WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO SPELL MY NAME INCORRECTLY?! IT IS SER

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[GreyICE]

Unvote

No counterclaims day 1, period. I figured scum going down would claim one of our confirmed in-game roles, so this isn't a surprise, but basically a town doctor is more-or less completely unblockable now (as I don't see a reason for T-Andrius to pitch less than 20-some points tonight) scum are either going to have to shoot around him, shoot him, or we're sitting here wondering why a doctor is alive on day 2/3.

Also there are plenty of fucking reasons to be voting him, Yos. He'd done jack shit except lurk and make vague threats (don't call for Zang's lynch, because that's what scum would do, lol).

As for Yos... welp.

Twist my arm. No, really, twist my arm (confirmed town Andrius, lol)

Vote: Yosarian

[GreyICE]

Yeah, this definitely doesn't look like town Yos play.

Out of curiosity, what is town Yos play, and how is this different?

[zoraster]

Day 1

Andrius ( 2 ) Lady Lambdadelta, Darox,

(L - 5 )

Cogito Ergo Sum ( 1 ) Lurconis,

(L - 6 )

Darox ( 1 ) Andrius,

(L - 6 )

GreyICE ( 0 )

(L - 7 )

Lady Lambdadelta ( 0 )

(L - 7 )

LLamarble ( 0 )

(L - 7 )

Lurconis ( 1 ) Cogito Ergo Sum,

(L - 6 )

Fate ( 0 )

(L - 7 )

Seraphim ( 0 )

(L - 7 )

SpyreX ( 1 ) Yosarian2,

(L - 6 )

Yosarian2 ( 5 ) LLamarble, Fate, Seraphim, SpyreX, GreyICE,

(L - 2 )

Zang ( 0 )

(L - 7 )

No Lynch ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 1 ) Zang,
Total Votes ( 12 )
Needed to Lynch [ 7 ]


Deadline: 11:00am EDT on Friday, October 14th

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yos, while it says "this setup has at least 1 protective role", nowhere does it say that THE ROLE MUST BE TOWN.

Infact, it explicitly DOES NOT say that.

Vote: Yosarian

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

It's certainly implied. (Also: a priori likely).

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Fair enough, but likelyhood aside; try to paint someone "confirmed town" like that is scummy of him.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Eh, barely. Mistake's easy enough to make.

[Llamarble]

UNVOTE:
No more claims until we actually want to lynch somebody. Right now I'm not sure what's behind a lot of the Yos votes.
Yos' posting has also started to add up to a lot of scumhunty stuff with solid insightfactor.

CES, why'd you vote Andrius?

VOTE: LLD
Bad L-1 Yosvote. We really don't need any more claims right now unless we're sure we want to lynch.
Yos being wrong about Andrius conftown just doesn't seem alarming.
I don't like her Andrius vote -> notsureIbelieveclaimI'mmawaitandseeifsomeonehammers AT ALL.
And the rest of her time is all LOL ANDY / MARBLE NK SPECULATED.
And she has scum :bitesizeposting:

By the way I did mention on like page 2 that claiming numbers was dumb because only PRs can play more than 10.
Nobody questioned that, and I'm not sure I believe everyone in the pile o' confused people was actually confused.

I'm not confident of Fate/Spyspytown; I get a feeling of railroading. And Fate replaced ML.
GI is weird this game.
Pushing a lynch nobody else is interested in on grounds of policy while interesting stuff is going on and then joining both the Andy and Yos wagons without clear motivation bothers me.

The Zang/Lurc/Darox derpconsortium unfortunately seems to be town.

Ah right Fate did unvote Andy preventing a potential hammer.

[Seraphim]

I'm pretty damn sure I want to lynch Yos.

Llamarble says that Yos's posting has "a lot of scumhunty stuff with solid insightfactor" and I severely disagree. He would NEVER unvote someone for being a shameless bandwagoner. That just does not look like a town play, especially since he doesn't follow with a vote after.

It may be burden of proficiency but Yos has just been making bad plays that I don't see Yos-town making. Yos seems to be intentionally getting onto unsupported wagons and then not pushing them. He looks like he's trying to cruise on the "I'M Yos" cred without trying to legitimately scum-hunt. Something definitely smells about him.

I definitely want to lynch him at the moment.

[GreyICE]

UNVOTE:
No more claims until we actually want to lynch somebody. Right now I'm not sure what's behind a lot of the Yos votes.
Yos' posting has also started to add up to a lot of scumhunty stuff with solid insightfactor.

Yos' posting has added up to a whole lot of nothing. Cries of rolefishing, padded reads, and 'oh no that was anti-town' abound.

His commentary on Andrius and the entire wagon was ridiculous.

What brilliant insights has he offered you in his last few posts that you're leaving the wagon of the righteous?

[Llamarble]

I liked 195, 212, 301 from Yos.
Those are some good points though.

[GreyICE]

How do you like 195? That's like the definition of talking a lot and saying very little -_-

[Llamarble]

Grey what was your actual reason for voting Andrius?

[Llamarble]

I liked the effort and I could follow his trains of thought.
He said a lot of things that made sense to me and attacking Spyrex was a little bit left-field for a scum move.

[GreyICE]

Grey what was your actual reason for voting Andrius?

Blatant and repeatedly doing nothing.

Telling me in the first post that it was scummy (or 'what Fate-scum does') to vote for Zang on the basis that he's scummy and worth lynching or shooting pretty much always, then using basically exactly that argument here, and doing basically nothing besides discussing Darox (he's a VI or scum, hur dur) and Lurc (he's uh... not a VI and not scum I guess?).

Oh yeah and offering me his same pointless piece of advice about Fate-scum that he always does.

Woo contributions.

I still wanna lynch him, honestly, but it's not going to happen due to the PR claim, and I'm not going to play 'outguess Zoraster on how many protective roles are in a game where powers don't work all the time.' Having two more protective roles or something claim today would be fucking awful, and it's not like claimed doctors are known for their long lives when they're town.

[Fate]

Ah right Fate did unvote Andy preventing a potential hammer.

and?

[Fate]

I don't want a claim from Yos. This one I want to see to a lynch, I'm most confident about it

(For reals this time I mean for REALS.)

[Andrius]

See, that's why I don't know if I can trust the claim.

While it's possible you were the doc being all "OH NOES DAT COP", there's also the off chance you and/or your scum team decided to have you claim Doctor (or maybe there is a scum doctor) because it would make sense with what you're being strung up for...

Dammit all.

Um, the mod has TOLD US that there is AT LEAST ONE PROTECTIVE ROLE. That means if somone claims doc and they're not counterclaimed, they're 100% confirmed town.

Really creeps me out the way people put him at lynch -1 for basically no reason adn then left him there even after the claim.

So, first you guys wagon Andreus to a claim for no reason, now you're all voting me?

I mean, we know Fate and Serephem are idiots, but there's no excuse for your vote, SpyreX

, unless you're claiming scum here.

Size changes are mine. --;
Like, was there even REASONING for the wagon on me?
I think that'd be an awesome place to look for scum.
I mean: LLD, Fate, GI, Darox, SpyreX, [???]
Yep.
I'd bet one, no, two scum in there.

Also I love how Yos still can't spell my name right after all this time. You CAN call me Andy, Yos.

People who look scummier because of the wagon on now-confirmed-town-Andreus: Darox (that lynch -1 vote, and then leaving your vote there after he claimed doc, was just terrible), GreyICE (the way he dropped the lynch -2 vote because I"M BUSSING LOL with zero reason is scummy).

This.

YOSARIAN. WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO SPELL MY NAME INCORRECTLY?! IT IS SERAPHIM.

lol

Also there are plenty of fucking reasons to be voting him, Yos. He'd done jack shit except lurk and make vague threats (don't call for Zang's lynch, because that's what scum would do, lol).

What do you think of Darox? Or are you simply ignoring my case on him?

(confirmed town Andrius, lol)

Ermmm, how am I confirmed?

Let's compare the Yos wagon and the Andy wagon.
Yep.
Almost all the same people.
*sigh*

CES, why'd you vote Andrius?

Everyone who isn't GI why'd you vote Andrius?

Bad L-1 Yosvote. We really don't need any more claims right now unless we're sure we want to lynch.

This.

I don't like her Andrius vote -> notsureIbelieveclaimI'mmawaitandseeifsomeonehammers AT ALL.
And the rest of her time is all LOL ANDY / MARBLE NK SPECULATED.
And she has scum :bitesizeposting:

Ok yeah I agree.
LLD/Darox is enough to get two scumlynches out of yesss

Darox is NOT a VI.

(For reals this time I mean for REALS.)

Because last time wasn't for reals?
Then what was it for?
Fun?
To push a claim?
To see what I'd do?
GET TO L-1
LET SEE WHAT GOOD TOWN_ANDY WILL DO
OH I DONT KNOW
CLAIM, MAYBE?

[Fate]

I'd get a read on you anyway.

I'm still not a fan of your play, its not geniune or analytical at all.

Even now its just "TROLOL LOOK PEOPLE WERE ALL ON MY WAGON I GUESS SCUMS IN DER?"

"OH LOOK SAME PEOPLE ON YOS' WAGON STILL NO ACTUAL COMMENTING OR SCUMHUNTING FROM ME HERPADERPA"

But your doc claim bought you another day.

LIKEYOU INTENDED TO YOU SCUMFUCK

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Marble is still scum BTW. Especially if Andrius is town.

It's just you'll won't lynch him today SOOOOOO

[Zang]

think you misunderstood.

Fate was agreeing with Darox about lynching GreyICE, because this post, where GreyICE randomly declared Fate to be a pro-town power role:

Fate is a power role AND an excellent scumhunter PLUS obvtown. Unfortunately a strong ocular disorder is preventing me from reading his posts. How sad.

looked really scummy and role-fish-y and anti-town.

Also, I'm a little confused about why you missed this, since GreyICE was just being questioned about the whole rolefishing thing.

I saw GreyICE's post and the questioning about it. I just didn't understand what that had to do with what fate quoted. But thanks for clarifying.

Fate however ignored me and although I didn't really expect him to answer it, he still ignored a question directly asked to him which is scummy. He and everybody else also ignored me when I asked why they voted for Andrius.

Oops, you done cocked up.
Now you get to squeal.

Vote: Andrius

Why?

Andrius gets to live actually, that's for serious.


Now lets do god's work

Unvote:
Vote: Yosarian

HEAHEHAHEHAHAHEHAHAEHEA

Why? Yosarian's recent posts are very pro-town.

I NEVER SAID IT WAS HARD I SAID IT WASNT WORTH MY BRAIN POWER WHICH IS FOCUSED ON FINDING FUCKING SCUM

LIKE YOU

WHOS USED THE LAST 5 POSTS TO TALK ABOUT MATH

DONT THINK ILL FUCKING FORGET

Math contributes to the mechanics of this game and is very important to understand to play the game, Almost as important as finding scum.

Hey guys, guess why I said playing low cards was dumb and suggested a numbers claim.

You'll never believe the coincidence.

Suggesting a number claim is anti-town regardless of whether you could combine cards or not.

Unvote

No counterclaims day 1, period. I figured scum going down would claim one of our confirmed in-game roles, so this isn't a surprise, but basically a town doctor is more-or less completely unblockable now (as I don't see a reason for T-Andrius to pitch less than 20-some points tonight) scum are either going to have to shoot around him, shoot him, or we're sitting here wondering why a doctor is alive on day 2/3.

Also there are plenty of fucking reasons to be voting him, Yos. He'd done jack shit except lurk and make vague threats (don't call for Zang's lynch, because that's what scum would do, lol).

As for Yos... welp.

Twist my arm. No, really, twist my arm (confirmed town Andrius, lol)

Vote: Yosarian

No, Yosarian has been doing a lot. More than most of the players in this game at least.

How do you like 195? That's like the definition of talking a lot and saying very little -_-

Please respond to the posts that llamarble pointed out as good posts and explain why they aren't.

Blatant and repeatedly doing nothing.

Telling me in the first post that it was scummy (or 'what Fate-scum does') to vote for Zang on the basis that he's scummy and worth lynching or shooting pretty much always, then using basically exactly that argument here, and doing basically nothing besides discussing Darox (he's a VI or scum, hur dur) and Lurc (he's uh... not a VI and not scum I guess?).

Oh yeah and offering me his same pointless piece of advice about Fate-scum that he always does.

Woo contributions.

I still wanna lynch him, honestly, but it's not going to happen due to the PR claim, and I'm not going to play 'outguess Zoraster on how many protective roles are in a game where powers don't work all the time.' Having two more protective roles or something claim today would be fucking awful, and it's not like claimed doctors are known for their long lives when they're town.

He was right though it is scummy and Andrius is posting more now so why do you still want him lynched? Also, Why didn't you say this when you voted for him?

Also, You still haven't answered my question.

Vote: GreyICE

I don't want a claim from Yos. This one I want to see to a lynch, I'm most confident about it

(For reals this time I mean for REALS.)

No, this is completely terrible. No matter how much you are sure of somebody being scum, you should always let them claim regardless of whether you think you will believe it or not.

Fos: Fate

[Fate]

I don't read your posts, I only happened to see this one because I'm here right now.

lolu