Newbie 293: Immune System Mafia - GAME OVER

Mr Finch · Post Post #25 (ISO) » Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:03 am

Zindaras wrote:This is my 96th game.

I think that says enough.

Well, you beat me by 95 games! Looks like I have a few games to play then!

Twito - I am intrigued how you think that not looking at your role PM is going to help out in a newbie game. We also only have your word that you won't look. I believe that the unwritten rule of Mafia is that everyone is scum until proven town and noone should be trusted.

Therefore, until you can come up with reasoning for this behaviour my vote will stay with you. If the reasoning is good enough then I will change my vote.

Zindaras · Post Post #26 (ISO) » Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:19 am

Twito's play isn't a tell either way.

He's just doing it for fun, probably.

spectrumvoid · Post Post #27 (ISO) » Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:09 am

Geez... only 39 games. I was doing so welll till I hit the exams and didn't sign up for any.

I'm with Mr. Finch here. Not looking at your pm = not pro-townish behaviour => scum-tell.

FOS: twito, unvote

*huggles Zindaras*

Zindaras · Post Post #28 (ISO) » Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:41 am

spectrumvoid wrote:Geez... only 39 games. I was doing so welll till I hit the exams and didn't sign up for any.

Well, then you're pretty much going at the same speed as I am, I just started a year earlier than you (assuming you only started playing this June).

I'm with Mr. Finch here. Not looking at your pm = not pro-townish behaviour => scum-tell.

How can it be a scumtell?

What I'm mostly curious about is if you announced it somewhere else. Twito, did you do so? If you did, it's not a tell either way. If you didn't, then it's a scumtell.

That's pretty much the way I see it.

Mr Finch · Post Post #29 (ISO) » Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:45 am

I haven't found the announcement anywhere else (except the signup) and Twito linked to Glork's profile to announce it.

Skruffs · Post Post #30 (ISO) » Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:58 am

Ha! Well hopefully Twito really *is* scum and will never do any night kills because he won't know he's supposed to.

Mgm · Post Post #31 (ISO) » Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:03 am

Vote count

Skruffs (1): Y.C
Twito (1): Mr Finch
spectrumvoid (1): Zindaras

4 votes on the same person will result in a lynch.
Let me know if I made a mistake in the count.

Mr Finch · Post Post #32 (ISO) » Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:14 am

Skruffs wrote:Ha! Well hopefully Twito really *is* scum and will never do any night kills because he won't know he's supposed to.

That's quite true Skruffs. And as soon as night 1 falls the game will stall because MGM will be waiting for a PM for a night kill that he's never going to receive.

Therefore I ask for all players to consider their current votes and help get rid of Twito.

Skruffs · Post Post #33 (ISO) » Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:26 am

Mr. Finch - It would stall if we lynch the Other active mafia scum first, otherwise they'll be running the game by themselves. But wouldn't it be funny if Twito unknowingly helped lynch his scum buddy...
This is all based on twito's hypothetical mafianess.
Spectrumvoid you seem familiar to me but I'm not sure why... I haven't played in any actual games with you.. maybe from General MishMash? And I just recently met Zindaras on AIM scumchat... I Think. It's a pretty unique name. Zindaras: Does playing in nearly a hundred games give you a feel for how the games work?

Zindaras · Post Post #34 (ISO) » Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:41 am

Skruffs wrote:Mr. Finch - It would stall if we lynch the Other active mafia scum first, otherwise they'll be running the game by themselves. But wouldn't it be funny if Twito unknowingly helped lynch his scum buddy...
This is all based on twito's hypothetical mafianess.

If roles are not sent in before the deadline, they are usually randomized.

Mgm

, could you clarify what happens when a player fails to send in a role?

And I just recently met Zindaras on AIM scumchat... I Think. It's a pretty unique name.

Zenartros is my AIM name. We talked, yes. I got you into playing Open 2.

Zindaras: Does playing in nearly a hundred games give you a feel for how the games work?

*laughs*

That stands to reason. Though I'll admit that this is only my second 9-player game, so I'm not totally into this particular set-up.

Mr Finch · Post Post #35 (ISO) » Sat Dec 30, 2006 6:14 am

Zindaras wrote:
If roles are not sent in before the deadline, they are usually randomized.
Mgm
, could you clarify what happens when a player fails to send in a role?

Alternatively can you just confirm that Twito is scum so we can get on and lynch him?

Mgm · Post Post #36 (ISO) » Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:42 am

Players aren't supposed to send roles, I've assigned those all by myself. If you mean night choices, I'll randomize them for night 1. No PM means no choice on subsequent nights.

Zindaras · Post Post #37 (ISO) » Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:55 am

Mgm wrote:Players aren't supposed to send roles, I've assigned those all by myself.

Wisecracker. *pouts*

spectrumvoid · Post Post #38 (ISO) » Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:05 pm

Skruffs: I used to post a little on the outrageous lies or something like that thread. Your avatar used to be green right?

I don't like how Mr Finch is pushing for Twito's lynch this early (even though I still think Twito is scummy lol.) Usually, mafia games stall due to inactivity, not due to night choices. Then again, I've not seen someone play without looking at their pm before. I'm saying that this is a scum-tell, because Twito could be a pro-town power role (or like Skruffs joked, that Twito is scum who'll lynch a scum-buddy.)

Mr Finch · Post Post #39 (ISO) » Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:51 pm

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the game won't stall due to inactivity, even if I have to make up random posts just to keep the game going.

What are you suggesting is the scum-tell - me pushing for Twito's lynching or Twito not looking for at his role PM? You're quite right, he could be a pro-town power role but he and we will not found out until he's lynched because he's not looking.

However, MGM said on night choices:

I'll randomize them for night 1

Which would suggest even further that Twito

is

scum as MGM knows he will not get a night vote from Twito and will randomize the night vote...

Does that make any sense???

Zindaras · Post Post #40 (ISO) » Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:56 pm

No, he's just saying that if he doesn't get night choices, he'll randomize them on the first night you forget to do so, if I'm correct.

I'll agree with void that Finchy's pushing a wee bit too hard for a Twito lynch.

Mgm · Post Post #41 (ISO) » Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:18 pm

Zindaras wrote:No, he's just saying that if he doesn't get night choices, he'll randomize them on the first night you forget to do so, if I'm correct.

You're not correct, I'm specifically referring to the upcoming night 1.

Zindaras · Post Post #42 (ISO) » Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:50 pm

I assume you will only be randomizing those targets that are not sent in?

Mr Finch · Post Post #43 (ISO) » Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:23 am

Thanks for the clarification MGM.

Zindaras - are you suggesting that I stop pushing for a lynch (which is essentially the aim of the game) and sit and chat for a few more pages while we all go round and round in circles?

I am going to unFoS Skruffs because there's always the

FoS: Zindaras

for all the defending of Twito. A suspicious person might think that you and Twito are Scum Buddies...

Zindaras · Post Post #44 (ISO) » Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:32 am

Mr Finch wrote:Zindaras - are you suggesting that I stop pushing for a lynch (which is essentially the aim of the game) and sit and chat for a few more pages while we all go round and round in circles?

No. I'm suggesting you're scum because you are pushing far too strongly for a lynch on weak grounds. What you do is your own decision.

I am going to unFoS Skruffs because there's always the
FoS: Zindaras
for all the defending of Twito. A suspicious person might think that you and Twito are Scum Buddies...

Oh, so who you're attacking is scum and anyone who doesn't immediately buy it is his scumbuddy?

Mr Finch · Post Post #45 (ISO) » Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:41 am

No, I think you got me wrong. I think that it's still entirely possible that Twito is scum and in exactly the same way as you think I am scum for pushing so hard to lynch him, I am saying that you are scum because you are defending your scum buddy.

You are the only one that is defending Twito (who can't defend himself because he doesn't know his role). You however may well know Twito's role if you are scum and this might be the reason for you defending him so hard.

I didn't ask you to "buy" it, I simply asked people to consider their votes. If it makes you feel any better then I will remove my vote. At this time however I see no reason to change my suspicions: You and Twito are scumbuddies. Yes, it's weak, but what else is there to go on?

Skruffs · Post Post #46 (ISO) » Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:47 am

I think he's just putting that out there to see how you react Zindaras..
I've never been in a game where the first day ended before page 10, but then again, this is only teh second game I've started in. A common occurance in my play style is to say something really, really foot in mouth. I haven't figured otu how to type things that aren't either idiotic or insulting, and it's not intentional, but it always seems that way.
The other common occurance I've noticed is that everyone who defends "long day one" says it gives everyone a chance to route out scum - but, while I think it's good to get a very good feel of people Now, we won't really know who scum is until after they've done the deed. I don't see how a short day one could help anyone, except, unless, everyone is just eager to get through their first game, in which case a short day one would make it mroe fun, more minimalistic later on in the game. I dunno if I am ready for that though.
Nobody has anything to hide yet (except Twito, I guess) so I think the goal for the first day should be for either lynching a scum who makes it obvious they are scum, or lynching a lurker(and hopign they are scum), or lynching a townie who's just completely obnoxious(and hoping they are scum). But I think we should all argue today definitely to get a feel for each other.
so

vote: spectrum void

Yes my avatar was green until yesterday, and I remember your lies, they were outrageous. ALSO you were killed in open 2 which I replaced rosso carne in, which is why your name seemed familiar.
(I'm voting for twito next assuming he doesn't have any when I get there)

Zindaras · Post Post #47 (ISO) » Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:59 am

Mr Finch wrote:No, I think you got me wrong. I think that it's still entirely possible that Twito is scum and in exactly the same way as you think I am scum for pushing so hard to lynch him, I am saying that you are scum because you are defending your scum buddy.

You think too much in absolutes. If I thought you were scum for sure, I'd be voting you.

You are the only one that is defending Twito

And this is relevant how?

(who can't defend himself because he doesn't know his role).

This is completely wrong. The only thing Twito can't do is claim. This doesn't disable him from defending himself.

You however may well know Twito's role if you are scum and this might be the reason for you defending him so hard.

I could also just think he isn't scum. For someone who wants to push for lynches because it's the aim of the game, you're awfully aggressive regarding someone who is basically doing the same: making his opinion known.

Unvote, Vote: Y.C.

Lurking scum.

Mgm · Post Post #48 (ISO) » Sun Dec 31, 2006 2:03 am

Zindaras wrote:I assume you will only be randomizing those targets that are not sent in?

Of course. It would be mean to randomize the choices I do get...

Y.C · Post Post #49 (ISO) » Sun Dec 31, 2006 5:51 am

Sorry for lurking, everyone. Nothing to add last time I checked (around noon), and then all these posts...

Anyway, I agree with Zindaras. Just because Twito decided to spice up his game (read: play stuipdly), does not make him scum.
The real question is: Do we lynch him for it?
I think it's too soon, and too little to go on.
If anything, his eagerness to lynch this early on (as spectrumvoid pointed out) is somewhat problematic.

FOS: Zindaras