Mini #717 - Alpha Centauri Smalltown (Game Over!)

[Gremwell]

Since they dominated the last few pages, and most people seem to have an opinion one way or the other, how many people think that either one of farside or occam is defiantly scum?

the reason I ask is that if we can at least agree on that much then we could lynch one and vig the other, I doubt anyone would disagree with a one for one trade

of course this hinges on one of them being definite scum, not just two townies slugging it out

its just a suggestion, as I can see this conflict clouding the rest of the game.

[Empking]

Since they dominated the last few pages, and most people seem to have an opinion one way or the other, how many people think that either one of farside or occam is defiantly scum?

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I don't.

[farside22]

I'm going to answer these questions and comments and after I get some things done I will read the game again for those things I missed.

57 - Farside says one of the dumbest things in mafia "I did something scummy but you missed it therefor you're scum." Farside, your plan there sucked from either angle. And I also wonder what your intention was?

I think my problem is I see people do this in every game and I wanted to see if there was any fact in it. They do something scummy and say look at the scum jump at ti.

65 - Farside basically calls Gremwell out for not joining the bandwagon, specifically: "Do you think being BP is really helpful for the scum?" The interesting thing is that Gremwell didn't say this at all Gremwell said a four vote wagon was a bit rushed, which is completely legitimate and doesn't make any comment on BP in any way, only on the legitimacy of Occam-wagon. Farside seems desperate to get Occam lynched here, or just push blame onto someone. However, that is a hasty conclusion I don't want to jump to.

I felt and do feel Occam's self vote and comments on the BP very anti town. I want to know why someone doesn't think it what there motive is. Scum love to jump on opportunity when it comes to voting and lynching someone that is town. When I see someone unvote and others talk about it I want to know are they scum looking town or town that is confused.

Farside What do you think of the line "You're hunting all right, you just don't care you you shoot is the problem."

Sen's is in the game?!?!
No sorry I would say that it's not what I'm doing.I really think Occam's vote for himself was anti-town. I think when he did it was horrible. I remember a game page 3 where scum did hammer someone at L-1 so yes if someone is town and thinks no scum wouldn't do something like that. They are living a lie or they are scum and have nothing to worry about.

[Occam]

@ Grem -

Wrong does not equal scum. Your plan is something scum would say.

I kind of feel like my vote on farside isn't gonna vitalize the game, so I'm moving it to someone else who has been totally scummy all game:

unvote - vote: Gremwell

[Occam]

I remember a game page 3 where scum did hammer someone at L-1 so yes if someone is town and thinks no scum wouldn't do something like that. They are living a lie or they are scum and have nothing to worry about.

So if its pretty much always scum that quick hammer (something you said) - and if someone had quickhammered - then it would have been a one for one trade. I don't see how that's bad.

Scum love to jump on opportunity when it comes to voting and lynching someone that is town.

Right, that's how I've felt about you this whole game so far. You've been pushing something you seem to know is wrong, which I don't get.

[charter]

Since they dominated the last few pages, and most people seem to have an opinion one way or the other, how many people think that either one of farside or occam is defiantly scum?

the reason I ask is that if we can at least agree on that much then we could lynch one and vig the other, I doubt anyone would disagree with a one for one trade

of course this hinges on one of them being definite scum, not just two townies slugging it out

its just a suggestion, as I can see this conflict clouding the rest of the game.

No. You are scum. Once again, you ignore everything important in the game to give us this. You've commented on virtually nothing that's happened in this game. Also, you're clearly trying to gather everyone else's opinion on this matter without giving your own, testing the waters if you will.

Farside has now switched all her reasoning. Scum as well. Now Occam has done a slew of anti-town things. Before it was a slew of scummy things. This looks like she's trying to drop her whole line of questioning because she sees that no one else is buying it.

When I see someone unvote and others talk about it I want to know are they scum looking town or town that is confused.

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I remember a game page 3 where scum did hammer someone at L-1 so yes if someone is town and thinks no scum wouldn't do something like that. They are living a lie or they are scum and have nothing to worry about.

OR TOWN NOT WANTING A LYNCH ON PAGE FIVE. Guess what, scum won that game with the hammer on page two. So why would you want to repeat the mistake again here? Farside was town in that game and scum won, I have no idea how she doesn't see the obvious parallel here.

[MonkeyMan576]

Monkeyman

why would you vote someone you thought was stupid over someone you thought was town?

Only scum would vote someone they thought was town.

FOS: Oman

[farside22]

Chater: post 56 your predicition post why would you vote for the person you predict is the SK?
Cephrir: post 62 what do you consider a useless pr in this game?
Gremwell: Post 74 why did you think the votes where random. Only Cephrir stated no reason for his vote.

Just a note for Occam. charter stated the following:

Every game I've been in with a lynch in 3 or so pages or less for day one has resulted in a town loss... More later.

Do you believe that scum would not hammer with that thought in mind?
Empking: post 88 why did you feel the need to put this statement in bold and what was stoping you?
Cephrir post 101 OMGUS much.
Cephrir: Post 106 How is it do you read a game and not notice votes? FOS
Empking: Post 136 can you, you know try and give a view on each player please.
charter: Post 151 I answered your questions but you keep claiming I'm not. I think you just like to hear yourself talk.
Occam: Post 177

FOS

just for ignoring my post in 176 saying it's not self lynching because L-1 vote is in terms if someone hammers self lynching.
Gremwell Post 178 seems to follow the leader. I want opinions about everyone in the game from you.

Occam post Points against me: #1 Hi pot this is kettle guess what?
Post 2. Wow did you ever bring this up. (looks) nope not once till now. How convients.
3. Yeah for some reason I thought you said more then BP is useless for town by bad.
4. Not a misrep. You keep missing my point.
Empking: post 230 Yay I think we both learned something from a game where we stubbornish isn't always right.
Gremwell Post 234: Bad, just bad. You know better then to try and line up lynches and tell PR's what to do. Horrible logic.

FOS

Mod: Please prod the following players:
Crazy

[Gremwell]

I will wait to comment until others weigh in

[MonkeyMan576]

I will wait to comment until others weigh in

Scumtell. If you have an opinion you should say it now.

[MacavityLock]

I will weigh in and say

FoS: Gremwell

. No votes from me until after finals finish (tomorrow ~5 PST) and I can do a re-read.

[Empking]

Yeah, this last page of Gremwell's posts have been bad.

FoS: Gremwell

Farside

88, was a sort of FoS. I don't think posting my thoughts on players I think are Pro-Town would be good for the town.

[farside22]

Yeah, this last page of Gremwell's posts have been bad.

FoS: Gremwell

Farside

88, was a sort of FoS. I don't think posting my thoughts on players I think are Pro-Town would be good for the town.

Players who you think are scum is all I want. You have been really quiet this game compared to our last it it makes me itch.

[Empking]

Cephrir and Gremwell.

Cephrir: Bandwagoning and then denying it. I don't think his defence was very good either.
Gremwell: The worlds most anti-town plan is mostly why I suspect him.

[Oman]

Monkeyman

why would you vote someone you thought was stupid over someone you thought was town?

Only scum would vote someone they thought was town.

FOS: Oman

You are being stupid. Read some more, maybe the next two posts or so. Then stop being an idiot, com back and talk to me.

[Oman]

I like everything in Oman's post except:

If Occam is scum I'm looking at:

* Empking
* Monekyman

Where does "if occam is scum" come from? The rest of your post doesn't really lead up to that.

There is a possibility I'm wrong. I accept that. I don't think you're scum, but if you are, these two look like scumbuddies.


Also on the Gremwell's "either Farside or OCcam is scum" I believe they are not both scum, though one could be scum and the other SK so its interestingly useless to think that way.

[MonkeyMan576]

I like everything in Oman's post except:

If Occam is scum I'm looking at:

* Empking
* Monekyman

Where does "if occam is scum" come from? The rest of your post doesn't really lead up to that.

There is a possibility I'm wrong. I accept that. I don't think you're scum, but if you are, these two look like scumbuddies.


Also on the Gremwell's "either Farside or OCcam is scum" I believe they are not both scum, though one could be scum and the other SK so its interestingly useless to think that way.

This makes no sense. I haven't referred to Empking in any of my posts, and gave several solid reasons for my Occum vote.

[Occam]

Farside, I wish you'd organize your posts a bit better as I have no idea what you're even responding to here:

Occam post Points against me: #1 Hi pot this is kettle guess what?
Post 2. Wow did you ever bring this up. (looks) nope not once till now. How convients.
3. Yeah for some reason I thought you said more then BP is useless for town by bad.
4. Not a misrep. You keep missing my point.

[Oman]

I like everything in Oman's post except:

If Occam is scum I'm looking at:

* Empking
* Monekyman

Where does "if occam is scum" come from? The rest of your post doesn't really lead up to that.

There is a possibility I'm wrong. I accept that. I don't think you're scum, but if you are, these two look like scumbuddies.


Also on the Gremwell's "either Farside or OCcam is scum" I believe they are not both scum, though one could be scum and the other SK so its interestingly useless to think that way.

This makes no sense. I haven't referred to Empking in any of my posts, and gave several solid reasons for my Occum vote.

Does this set off red flags in anyone else's head?

[charter]

Ha. Thought it seemed wierd, but I didn't really read it carefully. But yeah, MM is now a solid number two, right after farside, and slightly above gremwell in terms of scumminess. He has done a lot of what gremwell has, with the not commenting on anything. Gremwell even refused to take a stance on his own question to everyone else, after it was pointed out that he needs to.

I feel like I can flip a three sided coin for who I want lynch today. Farside, gremwell, and MM all have their own side. Now off to find one...

[MonkeyMan576]

So I don't want to take part in Farside and Occum's little argument and it makes me scum? What is it that I'm supposed to take a position on exactly that I haven't done so already?

[Empking]

So I don't want to take part in Farside and Occum's little argument and it makes me scum? What is it that I'm supposed to take a position on exactly that I haven't done so already?

What gives you the impression that people are saying that?

[MonkeyMan576]

So I don't want to take part in Farside and Occum's little argument and it makes me scum? What is it that I'm supposed to take a position on exactly that I haven't done so already?

What gives you the impression that people are saying that?

I don't know, but I must have done something wrong to get linked to you as scum if Occum is scum, even though I voted for Occum a long time ago. I'm just confused why I'm getting pointed at.

[Oman]

I feel like I can flip a three sided coin for who I want lynch today. Farside, gremwell, and MM all have their own side. Now off to find one...

Original Roll String: 1d3

1 3-Sided Dice: (2) = 2

[iamausername]

"I don't know but I've been told,
Deirdre's got a Network Node.
Likes to press the on-off switch,
Dig that crazy Gaian witch!"

-- Spartan Barracks March

-=Vote Count #7=-

Cephrir (3) - Gremwell, Oman, Empking
Occam (2) - MonkeyMan576, Drunken Piper
farside22 (1) - charter
Crazy (1) - farside22
Gremwell (1) - Occam

Not Voting (4) - Cephrir, christiano drago, Crazy, MacavityLock

7 to lynch.

-=christiano drago and Drunken Piper have been prodded for the first time=-

-=Crazy has failed to respond to prod. Now seeking a replacement for Crazy=-