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[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok which part of my alisae progression did you not like?

can you explain why it is more likely to be a scum progression rather than a town progression?

I know you've said this before and you can just use your previous quotes if you want, I'd like you to have the chance to present your argument rather than me selectively pick which parts of it to respond to.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

welcome Pengy!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky do you still scumread Alisae or has your read on then changed?

Alisae has not done anything outside e's scumrange and I'm happy to give e the chance to do something.

E's currently in my win/win bucket because Skitts said E was town :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pooky and skitteR are town because I want them to be.

catch me up real quick.

Skitter's probably better with the catchup, I've just been shamelessly flirting with her and haven't really paid all that much attention to the game.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Like this is EXACTLY why i haven't been attacking your position on alisae -- consistently with your previous votes, i thought that your scumhunting process was to stir the waters and see what sticks, which makes sense from a town perspective

Now though the strength of your case against Alisae gives little room for reconsidering from your part and yet you admitted that you are just probing and you've taken steps back from your case because... Why? Because a couple of people defended er and you're being runned up?

I don't like this at all

ok let me address this then.

The reconsideration part you've cited is silly.

what you claim is me reconsidering is just me answering a routine question from norwee about whether it's possible I could be wrong on Alisae.

I can be wrong on anyone, that much is obvious to me - to insist that I can't possibly be wrong is just incredibly arrogant and imo quite disrespectful to everyone here.

Me admitting as much to Norwee is not me reconsidering on Alisae - it is just me being realistic about the odds Alisae flips scum/town.

You believe that scum!me looked at Alisae and slammed a case on Alisae hoping mis-elim Alisae and then backed off due to some people defending Alisae?

I think that's not a very accurate description of the game state at all.

Let's look at what actually happened.

638 <- my case
701 <- Day votes Alisae
721 <- I respond to Norwee's question and say yea I could be wrong
722 <- you vote me for "backpedalling"

Now notice from 638 -> 721 there are no new votes on me, in fact if anything momentum is on my side as Day joins me vs Alisae ->

There is no tactical reason to backpedal or back off - > no scum motivation to reposition.

There is also timing -> the timing from my case in 638 and what you call "bacpedalling" in 721 is 1 hour and 40 minutes - not even enough time for most of the game to even read and think about my case, so why would I be backpedalling off a strong case that people haven't even gotten a chance to read yet?

The timing and motivation do not fit a scum repositioning off a bad push - if anything my push had momentum as people were joining me on Alisae and noone was voting me for the push at that point in time - so why even backpedal?

Lastly I disagree with your contention it was backpedaling at all.

If you look at the exchange between me and norwee, the original "pooky could be wrong" is about me being wrong on Ydrasse and Alisae not considering that possibility in E's scenarios - and why that was scummy. Norwee followed up by asking about whether I could be wrong on Alisae - and I admitted sure I could be.

Framing a simple statement of fact that I can be wrong as me backpedalling off my case is kind of silly imo.

I understand in this game people need to puff their chests up and exaggerate the surety of their convictions - after all confidence tends to be townread in the current meta and when people are unsure they tend to follow the most confident voice in the room.

That is something I am perfectly capable of doing -> as either alignment, I probably tend to reconsider less as scum tbh.

I have lost many games for being confidently wrong on someone in day 1, I don't want to make the entire game about me and someone I SR, there's no real need for that and if I am wrong then it tends to let the scum obfuscate themselves. So I will vary and lay back a bit.

Overall my biggest issue with your contention that I backed off Alisae for scum!motivation is that it mis-represents the actual game state and flow at that point in time and I have no need to do that as scum, in fact it opens me up to a line of attack that I would not be open to if I had simply stayed on an attacking path.





If anything momentum was

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@fark

I just reread every post between

638 (my case) and 721(where you claim i backpedaled)

not a single post from any player in this game adequately defends or rebuts my case against Alisae

there's Chara's reaction:

"why does this progression miss that Alisae was reacting to your scumread on em?"

which completely messed up the timeline since my case is AFTER Ali decides to vote me.

There's SS saying that Ali would emulate ali's town meta

something I easily rebut with quotes from Alisae.

There's not a single post where people debunk my case in any meaningful way.

So where would I even get worried enough to backpedal?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

um it wasn't even backpedaling.

he just asked me if I could be wrong on Alisae

and I said yea I could be wrong on Alisae.

That's a statement of fact to a question that I thought was pointless and rhetorical in the first place.

I really don't see how you think of me admitting I can possibly be wrong in a mafia game as "backpedalling"

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I mean, this is part of the problem

You backpedaled for no reason after norwee's questioning, you weren't offered motives for doubting you read

um you said I backpedaled because people were defending Alisae and I wasn't going to get an Alisae Elim,

I re-read every post, nobody put up even a halfway decent defense of Alisae.

and in fact Alisae did get a vote and I got none so if anything momentum was on my side at this point.

So your stated motives for scum!me deciding to tack off because of resistance is utter nonsense and a mis-read of the game state at this point in time.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

norwee let's pretend we're all town here

me you pengy skitter

let's talk about

which one of us is the best person to sheep

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

now I have 18 years of experience which is like more than all three of you put together.

and I'm also brilliant and rarely wrong(this is a massive misrep btw I'm wrong all the time)

but I've probably spent more time flirting shamelessly with skitter than actually thinking about scumhunting.

so who do you think out of the other three is good at this scum catching thing?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Just to make it clear, my scumreads at this point are Mena/Skitter30/Penguin.

is this a team or independent?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

norwee do you think you are a viable mis-elim?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

norwee do you think you are a viable mis-elim?

Do i think so? Idk. I honestly don't care very much.
But do scum often think i am? Yes.
Sometimes scum do pocket me, but more often that not they will try to eliminate or discredit me when i am town.

I think when you get hardpushed as town, you make the most pitiful cries that can only come from town!norwee and you obvtown yourself and become un-elimmable.

The only time I saw you mis-elimmed is that game we played where you painted yourself into a corner and ended up dying lol.

My approach to you as scum is always to pocket you, because you are very easy to pocket lol and very hard to mis-elim. That's why I don't see scum motivation in skitter's approach to you.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Is this the town-crying you were looking for, Pooky?

he's not exactly to that locktown level of tears but he's on the way I would say.

You should've seen him after me and Koba demoralized him in that coalition game where I hard-shit-tunneled him right out of the gate to sort his slot.

It was pretty epic :3

I felt bad because I was like asking koba if we could put him back in the townblock

and koba was like

"nah let's make him suffer another day or two just to make extra sure he's town"

:>

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

norwee's motivation to win as scum is so low I can't even see it.

like when he gets read as scum he basically ghosts the thread lololol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

norwee's motivation to win as scum is so low I can't even see it.

like when he gets read as scum he basically ghosts the thread lololol

for reference:

this is my only game with scum!norwee

he gets scumread correctly very early and the defense is basically non existent:

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=84650

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also this gif is straight fire:



I miss that Bunno guy

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Why do you have to keep roasting me.

I am trying to defend you dude.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You're defending me while laughing at me.

oh cmon you're adoorbs

I would never laugh at you <3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

that's adoorbs norwee

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

wait that was the game I ran you up isn't it heheehehehehehe

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Is the notion of eliminating Skitter day 1 in any game something you'd find to be undesirable?

I find it undesirable.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

The heart wants what the heart wants.

also I think she is town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

which actually implies she is town here lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

This always makes me laugh. Do you have any idea how many slots kept saying Flavour Leaf couldn’t be scum (when he was) because he wouldn’t be scumread if he was scum? Like do you even understand how silly and unlogical that thought process is.

I have never failed even once to be wrong on FL's alignment

my track record against him is 6-0.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

my grammar might be wrong

what I mean is, in a game where I am town and he is scum, I have literally caught him every time.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

The point isn’t him though, but your claim that because Skitter isn’t completely town leader, they are apparently more likely town?

I believe scum skitter is more careful about her posting.

It feels like she hasn't really thought very much about her posting and that feels more relaxed/natural/townie to me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky

Please vote someone and provide a reason

I promise i will townread you after that

I kinda think you are scum WKing skitter.

but I don't want to go after you because it will be ugly :>

I also don't know you well enough to be confident on this read.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and sure you can say, well if I'm scum WKing skitter then wtf r you doing Pooky?

and my response is simple.

I am protecting my dance partner

I am not sure she is town.

but I am sure I will be very upset if she were to be flipped today and her role is town.

and my wrath will be terrible to behold.

and I will kill you.

or you could always nightkill me and let me go dance with her in the dead PT

that would suit me perfectly fine. :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Actually my question is why would i wk skitter as scum in the first place

And why do you think i am wking skitter in second place, because i don't think i am

because if she flips green you can take thread control on d2

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the tone of your defense is perfectly balanced between blessing the wagon to go ahead and defending her slot as a green slot.

as in you don't want her to die but your reasoning for why isn't because you think she's town.

as in you aren't saying skitter is town because of ____, ____ and ____. You are expressing a policy of not elimming her because of _____.

Which is a non-defense defense.

If she flips today and flips green, you are able to point and say I was right.

You ask a question about what the scum are doing? Do you expect an answer?

It's posturing to make us think you are thinking about what the scum are doing.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think that should've been enough time for you to describe your actual state of mind if I was wrong in my mindstate read on your skitter non-defense defense.

as a result I am obligated now to vote you.

VOTE: Farkran

gimme townread plz thx

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

one part of my scum hunting game is to look at the environment and think about how much care and thought into making each post.

I find scum tend to be more careful than townies because they have to think about their state of mind and fake it.

Perhaps I am wrong about this and you are just a careful person by nature whereas I am wild and capricious.

Either way I will be voting you because I feel something in your posting that suggests your motives are not pure.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

well one of us will be right and one of us will be wrong

you have the odds on your side

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Anyways i'll have you know though that i am *seriously* thinking about voting skitter right now and i have been for a while, that's how much i am wking her

this is btw the exact thing i would expect you to do as scum in this game state after I call you out on WKing skitter

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Except i've been doing that since, like... 20 pages now?

But that's ok you're town now

All you need to do is improve your reads xd

Your posts on the previous page made you sound like you were very against a d1 skitter elim

after being called out on WKing her you are now seriously thinking about voting skitter.

it just feels like scum posturing to me.

so if you do mis-elim her, please shoot me at night so I can dance with her in the dead PT

I do not want to hard commit to pushing you tomorrow.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Fakran's been talking about seeing some naive or odd things from skitter for a while now.

that's known as seeding doubt without commitment.

build the wagon without being on it,

then soft defend her with WK

best result is skitt!town gets elimmed today while he is "against" it

helps him seize thread control d2.

now I call him on WKing and he has progressed to thinking aboout voting her.

its a slimy progression

doubly so since it's being made while she is VLA.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

How good? I think they’ve emulated their usual town meta, shown read development, asked good questions. Literally done everything i expect town!them to do.

thats literally the same thing that scum fark would do dude.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this thread does need more Ydrasse

:3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Fark do you want a skitter elim or not?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

hmm

I don't know if I like that answer.

and I don't know if I would've liked a different answer.

I feel I may be getting tunneled on your slot and that's not great.

I will sleep on it.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I talked to skitter about Mena earlier today b4 she vla'd - nothing mena has done since then has made me change what I think about his slot.

Why is mena 'bad news so far'. I'm actually kinda confident he's town after his brief pop in yesterday

I have similar worries about Mena in that he has really not done much to affect the game state at all.

From the first game I played with Mena on this site, I've found him to be highly opinionated and willing to spew his emotions/thoughts all over the thread - be they wrong or right.

This Mena is so much more restrained and passive :/

It's like he's unsure of how best to engage this game state -> and I find that more indicative of scum mena than town mena.

yea I think it's fine to give him time for the RL thing to pass over but I do need to see sustained effort/townspew from him before I put him in the town section :>

his will to win as town is so high that he gets to a point where he can't stop himself from spewing himself town - whereas in his scum games its more of just doing whatever is necessary to not look blatantly bad.

~

Where you go, I can't help but follow <3

viewtopic.php?f=51&t=85778

This one

nothing in this game looks like remotely close to the effort he put in as town when I was scum playing against him

the examples that come to mind are:

PYP and Coalition.

Both games he played his heart out and despite being wrong on like so many elims it was still blazingly obvious he was town.

The passion he displayed is just not here, and it's quite sad

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

A quality I support this

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

kinda doubt skitter is scum with mena

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

The passion he displayed is just not here, and it's quite sad

This is nothing to do with alignment

maybe true

but you gotta admit you are real far off from the town you that I have played with in the past :/

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Actually yeah Skitter would probably be bussing him by now

well she on vla but i highly doubt she soft defends a scum buddy who is floundering even if mena worships her.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its possible but like

she tried REALLY hard to bus him the last time they were scum together


like the two did not get along at alllll lololol

so the soft defense here is weird

ali progression on mena slot is just overall super weird

like it went from wtf is this guy doing

wtf
wtf
wtf vote mena

wtf

enh i dont want to vote mena

im on mobile so i didnt actually look at iso.

but its peculiar

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i messed up pronoun again sorry ali!

i suck at mobile posting

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the wagon on mena is for meta reasons

she is using her knowledge of his play to defend him

seems perfectly reasonable esp since she and him are fairly close friends who talk often.

in regards to redacted tho - I would say his passion in that game upon being launched was quite a bit more unrestrained than he is displaying now.

Has he become more mature and less carey? Cuz he is getting scumread for it rn.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think she's saying that it's suspicious of you to push her specifically rather than anyone else on Menalque's wagon that has a better chance of being a successful counterwagon to Menalque, given you think he's town and want to save him. And the reason would be to align with and pocket him. I don't particularly agree with the theory and don't think it's a massive priority for you to pocket the number 1 wagon right now but I can see why she believes it.

this is silly

mena starts in skitters pocket


she has no need to pocket him if she is s and he is t

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

hello Penguin!

i'm not especially jazzed about a Mena or a skitter wagon right now.

pedit: okay perhaps we should stop discussing... whatever that is, then

what would you be jazzed about dear?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Hello Pengy my old friend

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Imagine hiding under an alt

>.>

wouldnt be me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

thats a fair point

VOTE: lucy

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

wait no
VOTE: fark

i need a proper invitation

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you did so much better in 2181 ! <3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

who am i kidding i cant say no to you

*twirls*

VOTE: lucy

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you are the worst defense attorney i have ever seen

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

are you trying to make her look more guilty lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its almost unfair for her to have you defending her

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its almost like she never believed mena was scum in the first place

@pengy i have to be on my spampost a game now that skitter has returned lest she steal my shitpost crown.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I know right

not as impressive as the Pagetop crown but not everyone can be as talented as you.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

mine meahahhaha

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

team pookuin wins again

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i learn from the best

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i really doubt scum skitter is WKing Mena because she was very adamantly against his elim.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and i have a lot of experience with town skitter arguing against elims that she believes to be bad and this fits it to a T


i also admit i havent had much experience with scum skitter tho ~.~

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im just glad my Penguinfriend is keeping the pagetops safe from thieves and murderers

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

people who use secret alts should be not allowed to use meta

with meta use punishable by fiery death

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i really doubt scum skitter is WKing Mena because she was very adamantly against his elim.

I doubt scum-skitter thinks she can do anything other than hard defend town-Menalque without him getting on her ass.

town mena had a real chance of getting lolhammered there and i kinda doubt the first person he blames is skitter if he does get lolhammered

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

team pookuin on a roll

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its almost as if we are not speaking the same language at this point

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

mine

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Aww, 'll miss the gimmick, Lucy. I found it hilarious.

tbh i had a easier time understanding her when she was posting with the gimmick

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

only because you love me like i love you <3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm meeeeeeeeeelting


ps you are really cute when you are focussed on solving something

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm meeeeeeeeeelting


ps you are really cute when you are focussed on solving something

This is probably Pooky slipping skitter town if Pooky flips scum later btwftr

I am pretty sure I have made my read on skitter quite clear already lol.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Aw. The gimmick was fun.

i enjoyed it! :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

for every game I join I gotta make a secret alt cuz I hate playing on my main account

ive never done a secret alt but i should definitely give it a try someday :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Then there's, I think your interaction with Mena has a big vibe of exactly one scum in {Menalque, skitter} so that flips me some between those.

this doesnt really make sense to me at all

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'm being slightly sarcastic

I am bad at reading sarcasm :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Then there's, I think your interaction with Mena has a big vibe of exactly one scum in {Menalque, skitter} so that flips me some between those.

this doesnt really make sense to me at all

The premise or the consequence?

the process.

what did you observe about their interaction that led you to believe exactly 1 scum between the two of them?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky why are you pretending you don't know my main. Idk if I'll stay stealthed the rest of d1 at this point.

pedit: They're both independently scummy, but they're not scum together, and they've interacted with eachother in ways that seem more like pocketing than theater.

The absence of a spectacular mural of Mena and skitter sorting or attempting to sort eachother by this point seems scum indicative for the pair.

i do not know your main

I am fairly clueless about this sort of stuff

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if i had to guess it would be hopkirk

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

did that make you laugh? see i am quite bad at alt guessing

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

when have you even seen skitter and mena try to sort each other?

mena literally worships the ground skitter walks on and townbins her on policy and only tries to sort her like day 4+

skitter apparently knows whats going on with menas rl in ways we dont since he shares info with her.

so like why would you expect her to sort a slot that really isnt there or doing anything?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

wow u stole my pagetop

i will definitely have to kill you now.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

damn right in the feels

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

>.>

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

maybe on your main but my emotional attachments are strictly to mains

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

>.>

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

now i definitely feel pockitd

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

knowing you are you changes my degree of feeling pokitd

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i wish i was half as good as hectic

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

is he not

omg i really am the worst alt guesser

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

she outed herself alrdy >.>

which is kindaaa enh

i dunno i feel the AtE @.@

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooooooky you would never hurt me

this feels like AtE :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i knew who you were as soon as i saw that post

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

that doesnt change the intended effect of your post.

its hard to see your alt and think of you. I think I might be broken.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

p sure you enjoy posting as scum :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

she is a ruthless power wolf.

i can see her shredding mena like a poor sheep :>

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

We really should pair up for dance

even if it is only for a dream

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

We really should pair up for dance

even if it is only for a dream

you snubbed my offer for this game

well I am already paired.

and I didnt even know you were playing.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and every time I have proposed dancing to you, it has ended in tragedy.

I would be a fool to try it again

one can only have so much heartbreak.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i honestly cant rememebr a game where youve been this nice to me tho

this is not good for paranoia

and its also not good for me to say to you

because if I SR you for being nice to me

you might be mean to me

and I like it a lot more when you are nice to me

;_;

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

she is focussed on a specific event - because its probably the most consequential thing thats happened so far

i dont think thats a bad idea or even scum motivated on her part.

she could just as easily have let you kill mena tonight instead of pumping the brakes.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

well you couldn't really emotionally pocket me in ss3 pre-reveal as you were restricted from bussing

and you couldnt pocket me post reveal either as I was one of the only viable miselims available to you.

so its not quite applicable to this situation.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

oh I dont think day is scummy - the defense is too weak and ineffective for that.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok thats definitely ate to use your cats >.>

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pandora is adoooorbs <3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You're right, Chara. I find Lucy town for her play for the rest of the game so was trying to find the town thought process behind that potentially scummy instance from her.

i think you want her to be town more than you think she is town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i want her to be town too

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

It’s probably more useful to give us your thoughts on the last 5-10 pages rather than what happened days ago.

It will be more helpful for getting into the convo flow.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Is there anything you want to talk to me about

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if lucy thinks theres max 1 scum btw skitter/mena

and she thinks skitter is scum

why would she put mena at E-1 and propose he get hammered?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the interaction between mena/skitter is pretty common for the two of them in a game together.

mena literally has the same stance towards skitter every game.

and i dont see scum skitter brake pumping a mena mis elim this early in the game esp at a stacked table.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I didn't not propose he get hammered.
I temporarily had them closer to even as a kneejerk to the vote:vote: thing and wanted to be impulsive and run someone up to e1
Also how much should I pass on an opportunity to see one of my scumreads become the day's elims in the hope of eliminating a slot that like 3-5 people have said they would refuse to vote D1 regardless of apparent alignment? that's questionable one in hand two in bush logic

it felt to me like you smelled blood and were going in for the kill. :/

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like the mena case isnt that complicated

most of us have played with town mena

this doesnt look anything like town mena

so some people voted him

and skitter was like

no guys this isnt a good idea, hes probably just go RL issues or demotivated for *reasons*.

now you can say you know better - but like shes arguably the closest one to him at the table and does actually have some info.

unless somebody wants to say shes wrong about this

could it be shes wrong and we r in mena scum world?

yea sure

but we got 7 days till the deadline and i dont see why we dont give mena a few extra days or w/e just cuz he might be town here.

~.~

this is not in any way influenced by my desire to flirt more with skitter.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you r lucky im half asleep ali

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Norwee is precious

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

that makes no sense unless you think skitter and mena are scum together?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why would skitter scum pump the brakes on a mena town miselim that is lookjng likely to go thru? this table is stacked af - there is not a single lhf. you think scum will fight agajnst a miselim on town that hard?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its 530 im going to sleep ill show you tommorrow

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

tactically that is not how i expect scum skitter to play this position. like the game is hard enough without shooting yourself in the foot

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

did you read her case on lucy?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

it wasnt even really a fully fledged out case it was mostly about lucy flipping from mena is scum kill him to skitter is pocketing mena town in like 2 pages...

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok so how do you explain how someones pov can go from mena is scum lets kill him to skitter is pocketing town!mena in the time she did?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like why?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its not like mena came on and gave some stirring speech or some shit and obvtowned hard.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so now you think scum!skitter is pocketing town mena?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

whereas before you thought mena was scum?

ok how did you come to that conclusion?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok but mena hasnt flipped yet...

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yea in a newbie it makes sense to do that because you get town cred and you also have a lot of other elimmable slots and you can pocket the person you defend hard

this is not a newbie

this is a very stacked player list

how you play the game depends a lot of game state and who you are playing against


and no i never called you dumb dude

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok but mena hasnt flipped yet...

I mean when a player does weird soft defense that have a s->t flavor, the effect is going to be similar on my conceptions to a greenflip on a smaller scale. Scum TMIing you town is townindicative for you

there was nothing soft about how skitter was defending mena there

reading for WK vs geniune defense is really a game state/tone read on what the player is doing.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i doubt mena would be this demotivated if he were scum with skitter

also i doubt she would even bother hard defending him and then they vote lucy together as scum together


norwee ask yourself which world is better for scum skitter


lucy votes mena puts him at e1
skitter says nothing
ali logs in high and hammers mena
mena flips town

or

lucy votes mena e-1
skitter comes in hard defends mena and drives on lucy
mena wagon deflates
lucy gets elimmed with skitter driving wagon
lucy flips town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

"I don't think he's flipping scum here" isn't firm language to me

ive seen town her use that language on flips she disagreed with on at least 4 occasions in two games.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i really should go to sleep

tommorrow i guess we can pick this up again.

i really do want you to be town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why would skitter scum pump the brakes on a mena town miselim that is lookjng likely to go thru? this table is stacked af - there is not a single lhf. you think scum will fight agajnst a miselim on town that hard?

No lhfs what

The suji/PP slot has been the epitome of lhf since the beginning of this game, besides mena

And PP was on the mena wagon

Pedit: i'll be with you in a minute, almost over

skitter has a very good track record reading PP

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

mena also has the ability to "obvtown"

he is a player with a very distinct town/scum meta

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

disagreed with lie she dayviged the person who put the wagon to e-1 or disagreed with like she said "i know he's scum because i played with in this completed game some of y'all are in, now join me on this wagon I know approximately zero of you like :upside down smile emoji:"

i dont get this


im highlighting to norwee which scenario is better for skitter to push towards


my read on her is based on how i would play her slot if i were scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Scum!skit does wk town!mena here, she's done that with me in our newbie game together

no

scum skit does not wk mena here

esp to become primary push on a town elim

what players do in newbie games and what players do in a loaded game full of good players is completely different

newbies are impressionable enough and green enough that WKing is a very good strategy.

that is completely not the case at this table.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

thats a fair point

VOTE: lucy

I mean i made a promise but why is anyone else townreading pooky now?

Man this is terrible...

why dont you engage with skitters point on why lucy is scum instead of just shading her.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and what r u even talking about

why would scum pooky be voting/pushing town lucy when lucy has been one of the slots defending/buddying me the hardest from d1?


your takes are ridiculously bad right now farkran.

only increasing my conviction you are scum at this point.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and dont say you dont notice lucy buddying/defending me when some of her responses to me have explicitly been at you directly like seriously how do you even think scum me pushes her at this point unless I actually think she might be scum here

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

fark is just scum here

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I mean your vote on lucy is probably the worst take in the entire game so far and i think you should see that? I would think you'd have reconsidered by now but the fact you aren't sounds like you are grasping at straws rn

what a ridiculous take

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

These slots are very likely town:
Luca Blight
Farkran
LegoLucy
Day

Town ish?:
Something_Smart
PenguinPower
Ydrasse
Alisae

Meh:
Chara
PookyTheMagicalBear

Scummy:
skitter30
Menalque

norwee

bookmark this post

at the end of this game

come back and stare at it for at least 10 minutes

become a better player.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i cant believe any town player could even remotely think im scum here

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

rofl if i wasnt reading your posts how would I be responding to them?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

taking credit for wking town while pushing a useless wagon on lucy?

I mean your vote on lucy is probably the worst take in the entire game so far and i think you should see that? I would think you'd have reconsidered by now but the fact you aren't sounds like you are grasping at straws rn

how is the wagon on lucy useless

it is literally a leading wagon on VC and possibly going thru

the goal of WKing is to get better post flip positioning. its not meant to save a mis elim for the town

she literally saved mena. your take is absolutely absurd.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

perhaps i didn't make myself clear enough:

HOW is lucy scummy by unvoting town!mena WHICH SHE HAD JUST PUT TO E-1 LIKE THREE POSTS EARLIER to go on a crusade against town!SKITTER?

luca had already unvoted mena from e 1

momentum had already shifted

dont tell me you are this bad at reading game state flow

you are not

you are being purposefully dense because you are scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

thats a fair point

VOTE: lucy

There is one thing on which pooky is correct though

skitter's take isn't the worst one.

This vote on lucy is LITERALLY TERRYIFING.

yea it makes a lot of sense for scum pooky to vote for the town slot hard buddying him from day 1

real genius take here fark

dont tell me your town play is actually this bad

i dont believe it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

she was pushing him dead there

thats what that sentence means

luca unvoting for reconsideration kills the quick elimination odds on that slot dead

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Skitter I actually think you're probably Town atm

skitter is like obviously town at this point

farkran isnt even playing in the same reality as us.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Let's take a break and *PLEASE*

skitter and pooky tell me how lucy is SCUMMY.

Not how she's ridicolous or wrong. Tell me why she is SCUM.

Because you two placed a vote on her for reasons that are indeed ridicolous -and- scummy.

we already did stop pretending you cant read

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Oh and Pooky, you’re not going to convince me to your side by insinuating i’m not a good player.
That goes for whatever your allignment is.

I know that


you are very stubborn when you are wrong

i read your entire iso rememember?

my comment to you is for posterity

if you wont accept it. ive done my part

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm not really feeling hyped about any of the other options though. Lucy feels town to me, Farkran just seems really town, although i will admit Pooky's got a point in that their scum/town game is really similar. But how would you be so sure they are scum in this game then Pooky?

1. his posts feel careful and artificial in a way - the vibe of them does not feel completely natural.

2. I think hes more interested in pushing an agend than figuring who is town/scum.

3. i think hes chainsaw defending here by attacking skitter and being selectively ignorant about her reasoning for voting lucy.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

fark calling me scum for me voting lucy when shes been buddying/hard townreading me all game is the most ludicrious take hes had in the last several pages and hes had several.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

fark calling me scum for me voting lucy when shes been buddying/hard townreading me all game is the most ludicrious take hes had in the last several pages and hes had several.

Just to entertain your arguments here.
Who do you think is likely scum with Farkran in a scum!Fark world?

fark/lucy

this is almost textbook chainsaw defense here.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

maybe I'm biased but knowing that Lucy is isis inclines me more towards just bad than scum

isis is not bad...

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i have made it very very very clear why i voted lucy and your continued pretending like i dont is just comical at this point fark

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this is the world fark thinks is possible:

town fark
town lucy
town mena
scum skitter
scum pooky

which means:

scum skitter and scum pooky saw town mena getting run up to e1 and pushed to death and decided hey lets go rescue him so we can push townlucy instead and lose all towncred to hard push one miselim instead of just taking the layup miselim thats sitting right there and being pushed by fark&lucy?

like lol wtf

thats not a real belief

that heeby jeeby nonsense

like the rest of farks garbage iso

hes managed to piss me off enough that instead of waiting for my laptop to dry out im going to go to best buy today and getting a new computer just to case out why hes scum

VOTE: farkran

die die die

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I accept all of this as a sign of good will

But do you admit that you wking a e-1 town player wouldn't be outside your scumrange? Because i mean, you did it in the past and both me and pops were there, i believe you should understand the situation here

yes i'm trying to be calmer and less annoyed, i'm sorry about earlier

it isn't outside of my scumrange i just don't get *why* i'd do that
like just because i could doesn't mean it would make sense as an actual thing to do

To get credit, because why not

Menalque would never be a threat to you - he had a chance to flip regardless of your defense, but even if he survived the wagon he would hardly scumread you unless something critical happened i.e. cop claim or something

And you'd cry tears of joy with either result, am i not correct? If mena is elimed, that's one town less, if mena remains, it's one more friend in elo for you

I am not saying this MUST be the case, just that it feels weird that you would deny it could, as if it was an impossible stance for scum!skit here

its hilarious you r saying skitter is wking mena when u wked skitter

just compare how skitter hard defended mena to how you soft defended skitter

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Mena if ur actually town here I think it’s kind of bullshit that when I roll scum vs you you are like this blazing ball of obv town fire and when I roll town with you you either pick a fight with the mod and get forcerepped or whatever this comedy routine of a town game is rn. :/

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

me too.

my scum game is all about figuring out who to mis-elim and who to manuever into which wagons

and my town game is more or less figuring out who the viable mis-elims are and checking out who is pushing them.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also I have set up my new computer @skitter

Spoiler: Pooky/Skitter Dance PT

I missed you darling <3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Do you think Chara is a miselim?

I do not have a read on Chara yet.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

:)

Spoiler: Pooky/Skitter Dance PT

fark is lucky instead of writing my case on him I'm probably going to just spend time flirting shamelessly instead <3



btw do you like romantic fanfiction? :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Spoiler: skitter

ok! :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I get the feeling that you and Fark are more interested in who is a viable elimination rather than who is scum.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I mean they're both important.

I kind of disagree with this take but I tend to push things that are unviable for postgame bragging rights if i'm right so :>

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky that is frustrating for me to hear from you when you are sitting here causing scum not to be a viable elimination

I'm just one vote, I don't think I have a very strong influence on any other slot in the game right now.

I'm not sure you could point to anyone on this table that is like sheeping/listening to me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

god i do love billie eilish's voice

Couldn't resist

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Let me rephrase: they're both important to winning the game.

true but I find myself getting deflected from accurate scumreads onto consensus mis-elims all the time and I'm working on putting my foot down and saying no more often.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ss what are your thoughts on recent happenings (i.e. me, day, lucy, farkran, mena, etc)

i am genuinely sad to have not made the list

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think it might have been a bit susp to replace out and come back as night after role pm assignment

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.

In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.

Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds and shall find me unafraid.

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate,
I am the captain of my soul.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think Hectic knows Isis well enough to know that she has a lot of fun as scum...

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Luca Blight
NorwegianboyEE
Farkran
LegoLucy
PookyTheMagicalBear
skitter30
Ydrasse
Something_Smart
PenguinPower
Alisae
Chara
Menalque

Is this list in order of likely to be scum or "care about the game"?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you think not a single person which high scum WIM drew a red role PM?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you think not a single person with high scum WIM drew a red role PM?

pedit by double post

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

SS is like the last person i'd expect to be shit stirring in this PL lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Spoiler: Pooky/Skitter Dance PT

You are town right? Isis is not going to let me hear the end of this if you're actually scum >.>

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't agree that Hectic would think that.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@Hectic why did you think Isis wouldn't have fun as scum in this PL?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

eh, i keep hearing this about skitter, enough that realistically it is probably coming from truth, and yet i find it difficult to believe she's

that

accurate all the time or that she should be blindly followed. i don't think skitter herself is looking for that either.

i'm going to read Mena, i'm going to do it, it said, desperately.

pedit: Pooky, are you sure it's Hectic? like, really sure? because i feel like i'm talking to someone i don't know when i talk to Day.

im not like 100% sure but its the most likely person so i will treat him as such

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think you are hectic because the style of painting in your profile picture is very similar to the massacre painting in SS3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

prism is not a shitposter Ali

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and i am not sure prism even uses alts

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Detective Penguin is here to crack the case!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i am a bear ali

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

foul lies

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I actually scumread you because you are really off :/

and also Fark chainsawed the shit out of me when i pushed you and i think fark is a shady shady dude

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think Hectic knows Isis well enough to know that she has a lot of fun as scum...

You think I enjoyed ss3? Did you read it's scum pt? I didn't have zero fun, but.. I don't think I've fully erased my "scum is agony meta" yet.

ss3 and normal mafia is as different as day and night.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Ami really off?
Even right now?

yup

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i read the nightmare scum pt and i cant rememeber any1 having quite so much fun as scum

and you were scum with hectic

so he would remember that fairly vividly

which is why i find his meta read on you strange

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Ami really off?
Even right now?

yup

Am I actually off or are u just trying to say so when it’s not true because ur scum and u want to keep me in the PoE. My lurking is generally a town!me thing that I do.

you are not as loose as i remember. it feels like you are having trouble engaging with the game state

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky thats a scum trait for me how?

I think town!you cares less.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Like yes I have trouble engaging in day 1s as of recently. Most day 1s I’m low participation

but we had so much fun in SFA D1 <3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

That's the only time you've played with me when I'm scum so why are you saying I like to play scum?

I modded a game where you were scum

My impression of your scum play mostly comes from Your Nightmare.

I think you would be extremely happy to be scum with people that you like.

And many people here are your friends.

I'd find it hard to say who you would not enjoy being scum with in this PL.